thanks for the help!! I will pm and Email you prior to my next post to be sure I dont fall into the other guys response mire again. My 40 yrs has little merit.
Looking to upgrade my PA/Speakers
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And he was given sound advice (no pun intended ... or was it)
If you wouldn't want to move (1) 15" sub, why on earth would you want to move 2 (he asked about 12" cabs or 15" cabs). A 15" cab would be about the same dimensions as the sub is (if not bigger).
I did offer advice based on the original post - that he would not be able to find good gear under 400 bucks. He was also advised to keep what he's got because it's better than what he could get.
If you read my post, I clearly state that I didn't start where I am now but that I used what I had because I discovered that was the best thing to do (versus wasting money on crap) - and upgraded when I could.
Again, looking up this system (B52 V1000), it's (2) 10" drivers and (1) 15" sub. Can you use the 10" drivers without the sub? If you wouldn't want to move (1) 15" sub, why on earth would you want to move 2?
As a reminder, the Original Post:
if your not concerned with good sound simply skip the sub and hook the B52 tops to the powered mixer and problem solved. You can deliver the gear on a motor bike. OOPs I forgot to pm our newly self appointed forum post etiquette official. Scuse me!!!
I'd like to think that most of us try to put ourselves in their shoes and analyze their goal and try to assist in the best manner possible (which may or may not be the answer they're looking for). If you ask our thoughts on quality gear under 400 bucks - well good luck with that - I think you see how well that has gone. That is regardless of who's shoes you're in (mine or theirs). I'm not exactly rich - nor do I think anyone on here has gotten rich from this business.
This means what? I mean seriously, was there some magic thing that happened?
Right, on campus is off limits to any laws because there is a different set of rules. It IS ok to break the law on campus. Totally incorrect! I don't know if you do or do not, but if not, maybe you should start mentoring what the laws are and why they are and help our profession? Unless explicitly written somewhere (which may require the signature of many, many, many people / organizations), they are bound by the same laws as the rest of the country. I'm no law major but I know of no exclusions. Maybe if more people mentored and enforced legal libraries, it would help. If only we had ONE more person to help us. Maybe that person would get one person to help ... and if that person would get one to help - imagine what we could accomplish!
and some of you wonder why organizations like RIAA is the way they are.
And therein is the problem. Maybe this is why most of our young couples want and expect 'on demand' music - because there is obviously no enforcement of legalities on campus. Do you think MS would allow illegal copies of Windows on campus - or is that untouchable too? What about illegal versions of Apple or any other SW or HW platform? Do you think they're untouchable too? If you break the law, then you break it. Period. You as a professional AND a mentor, should be teaching them right from wrong. I have had alot of respect for you J Mac. I don't mind helping out the little guy but dang, do it the right way. To this day, my mentor will still mentor me right from wrong if need be and provide advice if needed. He will also be the first to tell you that if you didn't obtain it legally, it's not yours.
If this went through, the next post would be I'm in college and I need a professional DJ app for under 50 bucks - oh wait, he got that from napster already, so it's all good.
'Stand for something or you'll fall for anything'.
Even though I don't support illegal downloading and don't like the fact that it is prevailant on college campuses, I'm not blind to the way that the DJ industry operates in a college setting.
First off - thank you for the continued discussion.
This means what? I mean seriously, was there some magic thing that happened?
Well, just like the rest of the DJ industry, suddenly you didn't need to have a lot of money invested in a music collection. Combine that with extremely high speed downloading ability of campus networks and you're off.
Just like the rest of the DJ industry? The rest of the DJ industry had (and still has) lots of money invested in music collections.
Right, on campus is off limits to any laws because there is a different set of rules. It IS ok to break the law on campus. Totally incorrect! I don't know if you do or do not, but if not, maybe you should start mentoring what the laws are and why they are and help our profession? Unless explicitly written somewhere (which may require the signature of many, many, many people / organizations), they are bound by the same laws as the rest of the country. I'm no law major but I know of no exclusions. Maybe if more people mentored and enforced legal libraries, it would help. If only we had ONE more person to help us. Maybe that person would get one person to help ... and if that person would get one to help - imagine what we could accomplish!
and some of you wonder why organizations like RIAA is the way they are.
Okay, breaking this one down. The applicable laws are the same regardless of where you are.
Correct.
The unsaid rules can be different.
Correct - however, legally, there are no unsaid rules. If you live in a nursing home, there are various unsaid rules as well. Do you think that you will not get in trouble for breaking the law just because you live there? Military base - same deal. Various other places, same deal. College locations are no exception.
An example of this can be, on campus the folks hiring you aren't going to ask about a legal library because its not a concern. Off campus you'd be more likely to be asked about the legal status of your music.
Do you know many 'off campus' people asking you about a legit library? I have never been asked.
I'll address your comments about mentoring in a few minutes. Ok.
Also, in regards to the RIAA, do remember how they had several cases thrown out because of insufficient evidence and they were investigated concerning the legality of their practices.
And do you know how many cases have gone ahead with their fines and penalties. RIAA wants to find a professional doing it wrong - the professional becomes the example of what can happen to you. I've heard of many cases that were very painful. Many of you worry about court costs alone over some small stuff in contracts, etc. RIAA could make those cases look tiny.
And therein is the problem. Maybe this is why most of our young couples want and expect 'on demand' music - because there is obviously no enforcement of legalities on campus. Do you think MS would allow illegal copies of Windows on campus - or is that untouchable too? What about illegal versions of Apple or any other SW or HW platform? Do you think they're untouchable too? If you break the law, then you break it. Period. You as a professional AND a mentor, should be teaching them right from wrong. I have had alot of respect for you J Mac. I don't mind helping out the little guy but dang, do it the right way. To this day, my mentor will still mentor me right from wrong if need be and provide advice if needed. He will also be the first to tell you that if you didn't obtain it legally, it's not yours.
I'm sorry, but apparently you haven't really walked around and observed people on a college campus lately; it is a rarity to find a kid without some sort of mp3 player. The "on demand" music couples that we are finding are a product of the iPod generation. Kids are now able to download virtually any song in seconds for right around $1 a song.
It's a rarity to find any kid, any where without some sort of mp3 player - this is not limited to campuses. Is it ok for smaller kids to also share and steal? Some (not all) kids are led to believe you can get any song for a dollar a song. For the ones they can't find (or don't want to fund), well - we know where they got those too. This isn't an 'on demand' because of iTunes or the like. This is an 'on demand' because of the stealing. Everyone believes that everyone can get anything, anytime, anywhere, legally and it just is not true.
No enforcement of legalities on campus. This one has been proven in a court of law, universities are not responsible for the enforcement nor monitoring of downloaded music. Only when subpeonaed do they have to give information relating to the activities of an IP address and the corresponding name.
This is no different than what happens to a normal ISP. RIAA is pursuing this on all fronts. Do you think that other organizations are not also watching what we all do on the net? You better think twice. Some people on here can vouch for that.
In general, university police departments have a lot more to worry about than illegal music use. Rapes, suicides, theft, break-ins, homicides, missing persons, vehicular accidents, airport patrols (yes, we have our own commercial airport here) and standard patrols are a lot more pressing issues than illegal music downloading.
University PD? You're kidding right? This goes so far beyond them that it ain't funny
Also, in the example of a frat party, there would need to be a search warrant issued from a judge that would have been petitioned by the RIAA attornies because frat houses are regarded as a private residence.
Again, no different than off campus and this has been done. In some instances, they may not even need a search warrant - although one is not hard to obtain if they do need one.
Of course one could try and make the issue that the university administration has a responsibility to ensure illegal downloading is stopped. Once again, the courts have said no they don't. Here there is an education effort so folks know the potential consequences, if the amount of bandwidth exceeds a certain amount per day, a warning is sent to the student, but that is it. If it persists, their bandwidth can be limited. Now, the content is not monitored so there is no telling what is being downloaded. This is the extent of the legal obligations of a university. In just the same way as the university police, the administration have bigger fish to fry than illegal downloading.
I assure you that their networks are monitored and protected. While they may not explicitly tell you, any data traveling across the university's network may be stored, examined and used against you. How else do you think a subpeona would get back to your information / activities? Let's also not forget the millions of other networks that your data may touch that may or may not do the very same thing. Unless we're talking about some fly by night college, I can almost guarantee that the college knows what is going on, on their networks. FYI, illegal activities on a network is one of the bigger fish.
Here's the thing, college organizations are on a budget, some more severe than others and every dollar they have to pay a DJ is money that can go elsewhere. In the example of a frat, the more they have to pay a DJ means less beer money for the party.
And this means we should encourage things we would not typically?
Mentoring and teaching on campus. We have approximately 55-60,000 faculty, staff and students at our campus. I'd love to sift through all of them and preach the legalities of downloading music, but I'm sorry, that's just not happening.
It all starts with ONE - remember saying that? Same applies here. Mentoring is part of teaching, so to me - if you're mentoring in the DJ world, this is part of your job. If you're teaching someone how to build a home, is it ok to tell them that they don't need to build it following the rules? That they can use drinking water pipe for sewage or vice versa? That they can use improper circuit breakers or overload circuits with more outlets than allowed because they all won't be used at the same time? If teaching construction staff, is it ok to tell them that they don't need to wear safety gear? If teaching a cooking class, is it ok to not go over sanitizing? If not, then how is teaching this trade ANY different?
FWIW, there are school programs here that do this and ensure that you are doing it the right way
Now, I did start DJing in college and ended up running the station, both it's studio and mobile aspects. Every year that I was involved I trained on average 20-30 DJs. If you would like to talk about mentoring and teaching right from wrong, here's a small list of things that were done while I was there:
- ASCAP webcasting licenses and fees
- Purchasing music
- Contract approval through university attorneys
- Contacting local police concerning noise ordinances
- Contacting state excise police concerning members of the crew who are minors working a party that gets busted for underage drinking
I also participated in a faculty mentorship program for three years and while there I mentored a group of kids on running a radio station and mobile rig. In regards to their music library, I advised them on the issues and concerns of a laptop based library versus a cd based library in a college setting where illegal downloading can easily happen. TM Studios can tell you which route these kids went.
Glad to hear of the accomplishments. Not sure what you mean by 'advised them on the issues and concerns of a laptop based library versus a cd based library in a college setting where illegal downloading can easily happen'. Does this mean you advised them that CD's were better or that a laptop library was better because you won't get in trouble for d/l the music? I'm not accusing - just asking the question.
I'm not blind to it neither, but I will neither support nor encourage it.
Again, 'Stand for something or you'll fall for anything'.
This means what? I mean seriously, was there some magic thing that happened?
Well, just like the rest of the DJ industry, suddenly you didn't need to have a lot of money invested in a music collection. Combine that with extremely high speed downloading ability of campus networks and you're off.
Just like the rest of the DJ industry? The rest of the DJ industry had (and still has) lots of money invested in music collections.
Right, on campus is off limits to any laws because there is a different set of rules. It IS ok to break the law on campus. Totally incorrect! I don't know if you do or do not, but if not, maybe you should start mentoring what the laws are and why they are and help our profession? Unless explicitly written somewhere (which may require the signature of many, many, many people / organizations), they are bound by the same laws as the rest of the country. I'm no law major but I know of no exclusions. Maybe if more people mentored and enforced legal libraries, it would help. If only we had ONE more person to help us. Maybe that person would get one person to help ... and if that person would get one to help - imagine what we could accomplish!
and some of you wonder why organizations like RIAA is the way they are.
Okay, breaking this one down. The applicable laws are the same regardless of where you are.
Correct.
The unsaid rules can be different.
Correct - however, legally, there are no unsaid rules. If you live in a nursing home, there are various unsaid rules as well. Do you think that you will not get in trouble for breaking the law just because you live there? Military base - same deal. Various other places, same deal. College locations are no exception.
An example of this can be, on campus the folks hiring you aren't going to ask about a legal library because its not a concern. Off campus you'd be more likely to be asked about the legal status of your music.
Do you know many 'off campus' people asking you about a legit library? I have never been asked.
I'll address your comments about mentoring in a few minutes. Ok.
Also, in regards to the RIAA, do remember how they had several cases thrown out because of insufficient evidence and they were investigated concerning the legality of their practices.
And do you know how many cases have gone ahead with their fines and penalties. RIAA wants to find a professional doing it wrong - the professional becomes the example of what can happen to you. I've heard of many cases that were very painful. Many of you worry about court costs alone over some small stuff in contracts, etc. RIAA could make those cases look tiny.
And therein is the problem. Maybe this is why most of our young couples want and expect 'on demand' music - because there is obviously no enforcement of legalities on campus. Do you think MS would allow illegal copies of Windows on campus - or is that untouchable too? What about illegal versions of Apple or any other SW or HW platform? Do you think they're untouchable too? If you break the law, then you break it. Period. You as a professional AND a mentor, should be teaching them right from wrong. I have had alot of respect for you J Mac. I don't mind helping out the little guy but dang, do it the right way. To this day, my mentor will still mentor me right from wrong if need be and provide advice if needed. He will also be the first to tell you that if you didn't obtain it legally, it's not yours.
I'm sorry, but apparently you haven't really walked around and observed people on a college campus lately; it is a rarity to find a kid without some sort of mp3 player. The "on demand" music couples that we are finding are a product of the iPod generation. Kids are now able to download virtually any song in seconds for right around $1 a song.
It's a rarity to find any kid, any where without some sort of mp3 player - this is not limited to campuses. Is it ok for smaller kids to also share and steal? Some (not all) kids are led to believe you can get any song for a dollar a song. For the ones they can't find (or don't want to fund), well - we know where they got those too. This isn't an 'on demand' because of iTunes or the like. This is an 'on demand' because of the stealing. Everyone believes that everyone can get anything, anytime, anywhere, legally and it just is not true.
No enforcement of legalities on campus. This one has been proven in a court of law, universities are not responsible for the enforcement nor monitoring of downloaded music. Only when subpeonaed do they have to give information relating to the activities of an IP address and the corresponding name.
This is no different than what happens to a normal ISP. RIAA is pursuing this on all fronts. Do you think that other organizations are not also watching what we all do on the net? You better think twice. Some people on here can vouch for that.
In general, university police departments have a lot more to worry about than illegal music use. Rapes, suicides, theft, break-ins, homicides, missing persons, vehicular accidents, airport patrols (yes, we have our own commercial airport here) and standard patrols are a lot more pressing issues than illegal music downloading.
University PD? You're kidding right? This goes so far beyond them that it ain't funny
Also, in the example of a frat party, there would need to be a search warrant issued from a judge that would have been petitioned by the RIAA attornies because frat houses are regarded as a private residence.
Again, no different than off campus and this has been done. In some instances, they may not even need a search warrant - although one is not hard to obtain if they do need one.
Of course one could try and make the issue that the university administration has a responsibility to ensure illegal downloading is stopped. Once again, the courts have said no they don't. Here there is an education effort so folks know the potential consequences, if the amount of bandwidth exceeds a certain amount per day, a warning is sent to the student, but that is it. If it persists, their bandwidth can be limited. Now, the content is not monitored so there is no telling what is being downloaded. This is the extent of the legal obligations of a university. In just the same way as the university police, the administration have bigger fish to fry than illegal downloading.
I assure you that their networks are monitored and protected. While they may not explicitly tell you, any data traveling across the university's network may be stored, examined and used against you. How else do you think a subpeona would get back to your information / activities? Let's also not forget the millions of other networks that your data may touch that may or may not do the very same thing. Unless we're talking about some fly by night college, I can almost guarantee that the college knows what is going on, on their networks. FYI, illegal activities on a network is one of the bigger fish.
Here's the thing, college organizations are on a budget, some more severe than others and every dollar they have to pay a DJ is money that can go elsewhere. In the example of a frat, the more they have to pay a DJ means less beer money for the party.
And this means we should encourage things we would not typically?
Mentoring and teaching on campus. We have approximately 55-60,000 faculty, staff and students at our campus. I'd love to sift through all of them and preach the legalities of downloading music, but I'm sorry, that's just not happening.
It all starts with ONE - remember saying that? Same applies here. Mentoring is part of teaching, so to me - if you're mentoring in the DJ world, this is part of your job. If you're teaching someone how to build a home, is it ok to tell them that they don't need to build it following the rules? That they can use drinking water pipe for sewage or vice versa? That they can use improper circuit breakers or overload circuits with more outlets than allowed because they all won't be used at the same time? If teaching construction staff, is it ok to tell them that they don't need to wear safety gear? If teaching a cooking class, is it ok to not go over sanitizing? If not, then how is teaching this trade ANY different?
FWIW, there are school programs here that do this and ensure that you are doing it the right way
Now, I did start DJing in college and ended up running the station, both it's studio and mobile aspects. Every year that I was involved I trained on average 20-30 DJs. If you would like to talk about mentoring and teaching right from wrong, here's a small list of things that were done while I was there:
- ASCAP webcasting licenses and fees
- Purchasing music
- Contract approval through university attorneys
- Contacting local police concerning noise ordinances
- Contacting state excise police concerning members of the crew who are minors working a party that gets busted for underage drinking
I also participated in a faculty mentorship program for three years and while there I mentored a group of kids on running a radio station and mobile rig. In regards to their music library, I advised them on the issues and concerns of a laptop based library versus a cd based library in a college setting where illegal downloading can easily happen. TM Studios can tell you which route these kids went.
Glad to hear of the accomplishments. Not sure what you mean by 'advised them on the issues and concerns of a laptop based library versus a cd based library in a college setting where illegal downloading can easily happen'. Does this mean you advised them that CD's were better or that a laptop library was better because you won't get in trouble for d/l the music? I'm not accusing - just asking the question.
I'm not blind to it neither, but I will neither support nor encourage it.
Again, 'Stand for something or you'll fall for anything'.
Whoa! What a messy thread! Congratulations, gents! You scared away at least one new forum member by attacking yet another new DJ to our industry. Although some potentially useful advice was doled out way back on Page 1 last night, the rest of this thread obscured that. Yuck!
If you're still there Bigtan, go to a local music store and check out their used gear. For a good trade-in, they might be able to hook you up with a decent deal with wattage needs (and whatnot) matched appropriately. Good luck!
If you're still there Bigtan, go to a local music store and check out their used gear. For a good trade-in, they might be able to hook you up with a decent deal with wattage needs (and whatnot) matched appropriately. Good luck!
Haha, I'm still here. Just sitting back and watching how out of hand this thread gets. :tricool:
I'm gunna be heading to a small local music store sometime this week, but they don't have much audio equipment. If I don't find anything there I'll be taking a trip to the closest Guitar Center.
I'm gunna be heading to a small local music store sometime this week, but they don't have much audio equipment. If I don't find anything there I'll be taking a trip to the closest Guitar Center.
Nobody was attacking anyone. We were just being straight up with the OP. Maybe he should have gone to a Local Music store like you just mentioned in the first case. I would think that someone in College like he claims to be, should have enough sense to do so. No matter what anyone on here suggested, he would be limited as to what he could purchase locally, as shipping charges from an out of town seller will just add to his cost.Whoa! What a messy thread! Congratulations, gents! You scared away at least one new forum member by attacking yet another new DJ to our industry. Although some potentially useful advice was doled out way back on Page 1 last night, the rest of this thread obscured that. Yuck!
If you're still there Bigtan, go to a local music store and check out their used gear. For a good trade-in, they might be able to hook you up with a decent deal with wattage needs (and whatnot) matched appropriately. Good luck!
It seems you guys forget that we are all adults on here. Why does one feel the need to have to Babysit these people and treat them with kid gloves is beyond me. You call him a DJ, in my eyes he has not even got out of the bed yet. No wonder the General Public have such a dim view of us. There are some of us who do this for a living you know! I for one do not take too kindly to people who want to enter this profession in a lackadaisical way. It only serves to have others lump all DJs as one and make me look bad..
In all honesty, if he was in it for the wrong reasons, then he wasn't meant to be here anyways. If he was here for the right reasons with the right intentions, then he will still be here and will hopefully have learned things from this dialogue.
Out of hand? So to you, this is a joke?
Bigtan, no one attacked you. We were giving advice that you asked for. So take it and do what you will with it. You see the discussion just like everyone else.
Anyways, to get back on topic. I've found a couple of used speakers locally that I will be checking out this week. Some JBL Mpros And Yamaha Club IV's. And houston calling me lackadaisical and telling me I have no sense doesnt sound like advice to me. Please give me feedback on the options that I listed.
Looks to me like you've had plenty of advice over this entire discussion and the last http://ourdjtalk.com/threads/40631-how-to-power-your-passive-speakers.
You're right - previously with you, the budget was $1000.00 and you were looking into what Ben had. Same scenario, smaller budget ($400.00). I wonder what happened to the other funds, which would have actually gotten a much fairer response.
http://ourdjtalk.com/threads/40631-how-to-power-your-passive-speakers
Ask me again in a couple of months and I'll give you the same responses.
Ya got me on that one - had me actually thinking you were a newbie - when all along, you've already had sound advice from the people here - on this very same topic. Please stop posting about this unless you intend to use what information has already been given to you.
OK for 400 bucks, not mind blowing bass can be had but heer is what is available from reputable brands.
You really have to save may be 100 or 200 more. Being entry level offerings, they are not the best but at least you know who the heck made them and wont get a WTF look from fellow DJs
Passive-
Peavey - PR15 , PR12 -
EV- Live X 12"
Carvin- PM12, PM15
Yamaha - BR12
Active
Mackie - TH12
Carvin - PM12A, PM15a
Peavey - PR12A
Im not saying these are the ultimate speakers. Just some good options with the money you want to spend. Now go on youtube or google and find some reviews and make a sound decision on what you find out.
You really have to save may be 100 or 200 more. Being entry level offerings, they are not the best but at least you know who the heck made them and wont get a WTF look from fellow DJs
Passive-
Peavey - PR15 , PR12 -
EV- Live X 12"
Carvin- PM12, PM15
Yamaha - BR12
Active
Mackie - TH12
Carvin - PM12A, PM15a
Peavey - PR12A
Im not saying these are the ultimate speakers. Just some good options with the money you want to spend. Now go on youtube or google and find some reviews and make a sound decision on what you find out.
In their situation, too many people had keys to where their gear was kept, so it would be hard to keep a laptop secure. By that I mean, it would be hard to prevent someone taking it around and using it as a personal laptop as opposed to a laptop only for station use. Also, in the dorms unsecured things can have a bad habit of growing legs, especially electronics.