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The ripper was EAC, the encoder was LAME. The playback was done the BPM Studio, through a Gigaport AG sound card.
The bitrate varied, but none were below 192. Some were CBR, some were VBR.
Steve, you get a thank you and more. First, though, a "push" s anyone trying to convince people ANYTHING is "better" without the facts to prove it. IN ADDITION: It seems that whenever someone anything to the effect of " I'm a disc based DJ, and here's my question" someone always seems to pop on with something like "Well, if you were to switch to PC, or were PC, blah, blah"...hey no one ASKED about PCs. They asked a question pertaining to THEIR sytem. Happening a lot lately. That's a push, and it usually ends up in a thread hijack as well.
Now, as for my "off-topic rant" and not sticking to the original post.......guilty :sqembarrassed:
Though I didn't TAKE it off topic, I replied and continued to do so in kind. This was and is improper.
Although I stand by every word in every post that I submitted, I DO apologize for hijacking the thread. Steve, your point is well made.
Though I doubt that anyone is interested, I would be happy to continue this discussion elsewhere with independent thinkers- on either side of this issue.
Brother Joe,
1) If it's any help, Shirl and I have had the pleasure of visiting with Rick in his home recently. Rick is a great guy and a great host. We felt right at home, just chatting about anything. You'd like Rick as soon as you met him, trust me on this one.
2) If bbs members promoting the PC or MP3 aspect irritate you, ignore it. You don't have to respond, ya know. People aren't gonna change just because you (or I) think they should.
Thoughts?
1) I'm sure all went well with your visit. The thing is, I reserve the right to prejudge people who prejudge me. It's the ONLY time I do it because: I don't like people who prejudge others!
2) I believe you just fed me some of my own advice, Fred!
The thing is, I'm not irritated, and haven't been- at least on this subject. I only wish the written word had inflection. I just don't see bland politically correct posts getting through- they haven't. So I have tried a stronger, and somewhat out of character presentation of information. This was really for the fence sitters and new people who are still unsure. I never wanted to change anyone's mind. I just see a ratio of PC propaganda that is staggering, and feel that people should be aware that not all is NOT as advertised. I did this only with non-subjective info- Electronic testing and posts THIS forum! Apparently, as in Cesar's case, it's not the post, but the squeaky response that gets the grease. By stating the case for MY use of discs and players, I have irritated those who prefer other methods.
They have taken it personally. Sorry about that. I DID repeatedly say that I had no intention of insulting anyone, and that I was only stating MY reasons for doing things my way.. and why I don't endorse switching. We have BUNCHES of posts expounding on the wonders of PCs. A few with a different point of view shouldn'r be cause for SOME the responses I'vr read, though most were just solid replies. As a matter of fact, since I seem to be the only one willing to step forward with an opposing viewpoint, why not just ignore me if you disagree? That would effectively kill the opposing viewpoint, and no one would have to think about it.
The thing is, I point out hundreds of posts regarding PC problems and costs- WAY more than disc based- and someone will come back and say the problems are minimal. HUH? Are all the posters on the PC forum and other places lying? I don't think so. After all, THEY are the PC users!
Follow the leader. Don't do your own research. Got it.
OK. Subtle hint taken.
...and still not irritated....
Not at all Joe
You may have irritated with this post on the 20th though...
If you re-read that, you will note that other than Scott, you think the rest of us are a bunch of ill-trained, un-edumacated folks, who have no possible business being in this business, and unless we have an EE, and have invented a new electronic flushing toilet or something -- we must be a bunch of morons with no common sense!
If you call a bunch of folks morons to their face, I suspect you will hear about it, in one way, shape or form
And just to clarify -- I pick on everybody from Joisey, it's a natural thing for a New Yorker, much the same as busting on people from Massachusetts (in particular, Boston). But at least, they have a real baseball team, and not just little league on the landfill...
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Someone's personal experiences don't require being facts to have validity. This includes yours, Joe, even when they might differ from mine.
I'm in full agreement with you, on this, Joe. If someone asks a specific question, and gets a retort of how they're doing it "wrong", and how they "should" do it, highjacks the original question, and usually just ego and BS, IMO. In my first post in this thread, I wanted to discuss how I think Ducky (and your) work would be easier if you were computer-based, but from what I understand about Anna (Ducky), and you, you prefer discs, so I limited my original reply in this thread to what I know about mp3 discs.
My belief is: if you're going to go BEYOND the scope of the original question, you should at least answer the original question first.
Just curiously what was your time. I am not a DJ, I don't even play one on TV (and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night). I am not an audiophile computer geek either. I am curious if I could beat your time on my media player.
Mike
Thanks, Joe.
I'm just thinkin' here... not my intention to take words out of context.
The cost factor can apply to both media. Heck I don't have to remind anyone how expensive a Pio dually CD or CDG rig is. The best in professional business equipment is gonna cost more, no matter the medium.
As I understand, the best in the PC medium is gonna cost more, too. Ya can't just load the software on yer Dell and expect it to perform like the good stuff. You've got to have professional sound cards and the rest. Sure, it's gonna cost you. But so does a pro CD or CDG system.
From what I can gather, the PC medium is the way of the future in this biz. And with HDDs as huge as they are today, one may use WAV files instead of MP3s.
Thoughts?
I'm just thinkin' here... not my intention to take words out of context.
The cost factor can apply to both media. Heck I don't have to remind anyone how expensive a Pio dually CD or CDG rig is. The best in professional business equipment is gonna cost more, no matter the medium.
As I understand, the best in the PC medium is gonna cost more, too. Ya can't just load the software on yer Dell and expect it to perform like the good stuff. You've got to have professional sound cards and the rest. Sure, it's gonna cost you. But so does a pro CD or CDG system.
From what I can gather, the PC medium is the way of the future in this biz. And with HDDs as huge as they are today, one may use WAV files instead of MP3s.
Thoughts?
Not at all Joe
You may have irritated with this post on the 20th though...
1) If you re-read that, you will note that other than Scott, you think the rest of us are a bunch of ill-trained, un-edumacated folks, who have no possible business being in this business, and unless we have an EE, and have invented a new electronic flushing toilet or something -- we must be a bunch of morons with no common sense!
If you call a bunch of folks morons to their face, I suspect you will hear about it, in one way, shape or form
2) And just to clarify -- I pick on everybody from Joisey, it's a natural thing for a New Yorker, much the same as busting on people from Massachusetts (in particular, Boston). But at least, they have a real baseball team, and not just little league on the landfill...
1) If YOU read the post, you will see that I never called ANYONE anything, and never used the word moron in any context. For that matter, I never used any negative personalizations at all. What is your purpose for saying that I did? Stir it up some?
I also never stated that anyone didn't have common sense, I inferred that it wasn't being used to it's best potential. Period. Why say I did? Same reason?
The reference to the EE was only to show that I am able to make the test. I also asked that people do their own research, or find a trusted friend who could. This was because I DIDN'T want people to take MY word for it. The best way to prove my point was ( and is) for people to get their own info. This would probably clear up any debate.
2) New Yorkers and New Jersyans making fun of each other is a dual state sport. For instance, the fact that neither of your football teams would actually lower themselves to playing there, preferring New Jersey.
However, these sorts of comments are just generally directed, not personalized toward an individual, i.e. calling ME a liar. See how it works?
BTW, it's not "Joisey", it's New Jersey- though I do understand the handicap of being schooled in NY.....
No argument from me on either statement, Steve. As previously stated, the validity of any statement relies on the hard evidence.
Also as previously stated, your posts have been solid straight through. No hostility, and logical.
I actually "oopsed" way back and DID give an opinion on the original question. I agree that going beyond it wasn't right, and have been trying to leave it alone, but seem to keep getting posts that yearn for a reply...:sqembarrassed:
Gonna have to do a Cesar here, and I'm sorry. The event was based strictly on who finished correctly first. The only "time" I got was when another Host starting screwing with a watch, and timed my disc and rotation change at under 3 seconds. This was a random element added by the judges. I can't even swear that time was right- it was only what I was told afterward.
One thing to remember is that I came in THIRD, so I'm not that great a speed demon anyway. The guy who came in first was freakin' AWESOME. Not only were his hands a blur, I don't think he even used his mind- just muscle memory got him the discs he needed. WAY faster than me. #2 was somewhat closer to my speed.
I don't know if it makes any difference at all in general( I can't think of any reason it would), but this was an all Karaoke Host contest. If anyone thinks that would make a difference, I wouldn't argue, but would like to know how. I will be the first to admit that in MY case, it would, as I don't have my DJ collection half as well memorized as my Karaoke discs (more usage).
Not convinced, as of yet. I can see a possibility ( with .WAV) files, but...
I have an idea that the real "way of the future" will be a new recordable hard media with FULL audio range ( as opposed to the current CDs), possibly a multi-layer disc of some sort, or...
A new type of computer media, such as sealed secured sticks or PROMS, with professionally loaded .WAV or BETTER types of files. I see these as being made tamper proof, so that in the the event of attempted copy, these files self erase. This would not just be about royalties and copywrites, but more importantly, about professional quality control. Right now, there are too many mechanical, electronic, transmission, and personal skill variables. A file of, say, Happy Birthday, that one person has on their PC may sound absolutely nothing like what's on another's....
Yes, this is only my opinion, based on some rumors. No arguments- disagree away....
Okay I have to step in now. Joe how many discsdid you work with for this competition? Were all of your librarys the same? using the same library software and location (aka like cases or books)?? In my DJ collection CD based I carry 1500 plus CD's to each gig where many DJs solidify a greatest hits process. Allowing them only 100 discs. Give or take! My point is that even with 2 bazillion mp3 files I can search the same as if I had onlt 1500 albums onCD using Visitrax which has increased my speed with CD also but again I was using Software to gain such speed.
Excellent question, and I should have given more details about the contest. I just didn't think anyone cared.
I think it was 24 tables (entries), set up as the hosts would normally set up. A judge at each table, plus a 3 judge panel. The contest was run in groups of four, winnowed down, then groups of 2, then the last group of 3.
Each host had the music that they normally carried to a venue, set up the way they normally do.
There WAS a 5500 track minimum to enter. No max.
The judges had copies of each hosts' song list. They picked from that list for each host. ( By the the way, if they picked a song from your book, and you DIDN'T have it, it was your butt- you couldn't pull it, you would be eliminated. NOTE: keep those things up to date!)
You were given a list of nine songs, with a a single random change at some point of 1 song and rotation position.
There was one bone of contention, but just between the disc users. Since we were to set up as we would at a normal gig, that meant using the players that we would normally use. Some had multi-trays, some had singles.
From my point of view it didn't seem to make a difference. One may see an advantage to the multis, but I also saw disadvantages. If it so happened that the random change involved a loaded disc, one had to remove and replace it, instead of just whipping it onto the felt. I sometimes work with multis, and sometimes with singles. I worked a single that time.
As for how many discs I carried: I'd guess around 1600. Two full 600+ books, and more than half full third.
One last thing. As both Scott and I have said, it's only a matter of how fast anyone is with their preferred media. That is how this contest was run. The media had nothing to do with it. The winner did it because he was the fastest with his equipment.
DjDennis
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hey did anyone get the PDF on mp3's the definative guide ??
let me know and i'll post the site address again
file name is: MP3 - The Definitive Guide.pdf
let me know and i'll post the site address again
file name is: MP3 - The Definitive Guide.pdf
I just wonder how it is physically possible for someone to:
1. Look up a song in a book to find which CD it is on (although you MIGHT get to skip this step if it is a popular enough song that you already know which CD it is on, but unless you are a cookie cutter DJ this isn't the case most of the time) and which track it is on that CD
2. Physically find the case
3. Open the case
4. Take the CD out
5. Open the player
6. Take the CD in there out
7. Put the new CD in
8. Cue up the track
9. Push play
10. Allow the CD to spin up and start playing
In the same amount of time it takes to:
1. Type in three or four letters
2. Double click a track
I just don't see how A can physically be done (no matter the skill level of hte DJ) than B.
Mike
I turn around to my already open CD case, pull out the CD (I typically know exactly where it is), open the CD and as the CD is going in, I set the track number. I turn on the cue for the headphones and I get the song cued up.
As I've mentioned before, I passed a test in college where I was given the previous 2 songs. A song was cued with 30 seconds and when they hit play, I had to figure out the next song, pull it, cue it, and complete a suitable crossfade. After that 30 seconds of fun was finished, I had to explain my reasoning for picking the song that I played.
DJing is a little more than typing and double-clicking or even pulling a CD and pressing play.
Certainly! I don't believe the quality of DJ has anything to do with their medium. There are terrible DJs that use CD's and awesome DJs that use PC's.
But even under your criteria I still don't see how it can be faster to:
1. Turn around
2. Pull a CD out of a case
3. Open the CD tray and set the track number (assuming you can do these two things at the same time with a CD in your hands, which I would have to see to believe)
4. Put the new CD in (I will give you credit for dual CD decks)
5. Push play
Than to:
1. Type in three or four letters
2. Double click the track
Mike
There's no way it's faster.......I would not believe it unless I could see it. This thread has now become useless without video.
you might find and play one or two cds faster but when you play for two hours it is not going to happen.
I don't care whatever anyone says, when you have 20,000 songs and you get a request that you have not played in over 10 years, you are not going to find it faster and play it then one who has it on his PC! Sorry cut the BS but it will not happen! Been there done that!
I don't care whatever anyone says, when you have 20,000 songs and you get a request that you have not played in over 10 years, you are not going to find it faster and play it then one who has it on his PC! Sorry cut the BS but it will not happen! Been there done that!