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Mix, this is why you will never get higher paying clients. I am not concerned with what he can make or what he is charging for people to get in. All I care about is my bottom line. If he cannot afford what I charge then I wish him luck and move on. If you do this job and say one person who is there wants to book you for a job and gets your number from this guy, the first thing he is going to do is tell them how much you charged them. At that point you are screwed because that is the price they are going to expect from you and the then they are going to try and low ball you from that price. You keep taking these low paying jobs thinking it will change things for you and guess what in all the years you have been on these forums nothing has changed. You still deal with the same stuff over and over again with the same problems.

It is a new year maybe now you should start listening to what everyone has told you to do and start implementing the changes we have told you to make. Stop focusing on things that do not matter and start fixing the things that do.

Perfect example. I did a party this year for the same group I have been doing for years. I charge them the same rate I did 5 years ago because of how much business they give me but they never reveal that price to anyone. From that job today alone I booked 3 jobs 2 graduation parties and one wedding all for well above my asking price after all the add ons. Why, simple because they went to a well run party were I provided great entertainment and yes had more then 10 people on a dance floor while playing a wide variety of music. This is not about ego it is about business and doing it the proper way.

When i was very young 16-20 I took those low paying jobs like you thinking it would help me and while it did get me some jobs it never got me well paying jobs. Finally someone took me under their wings and showed me how to do it right and I listened. You have been offered it many time but all you do is fight it because you are stuck in your ways and will not change. Until you check your ego you will never be anything more then a guy known for doing one type of music and low prices. Oh yeah and letting people walk all over you. These public park jobs you do that think get you so much exposure and I guess some type of fame. I wouldn't even start my car for the price they pay you.

Again this is not ego. This is the truth and I know you will pick out one line of this and tell me I dont understand but guess what i do. You are a very easy book to read. I have seen many DJs like you over the years and watched them all fail or live on scraps and I have seen others who listen and learn make millions doing this job. I and others on here will make more on our gigs in January then you will for the entire year hell maybe even two years but yet you still want to argue with us. It makes no sense.
You expect me to fight with you and I'm not going to. You're right.
 
Mix, this is why you will never get higher paying clients. I am not concerned with what he can make or what he is charging for people to get in. All I care about is my bottom line. If he cannot afford what I charge then I wish him luck and move on

Exactly the way to do it. @MIXMASTERMACHOM if you're happy with a few hundred bucks by all means do this gig there's nothing wrong with that but if you are doing it for $300 and to get exposure in hopes of higher paying gigs save yourself the headache. People die of exposure my friend. Exposure never paid any bills for anyone


Perfect example. I did a party this year for the same group I have been doing for years. I charge them the same rate I did 5 years ago because of how much business they give me but they never reveal that price to anyone. From that job today alone I booked 3 jobs 2 graduation parties and one wedding all for well above my asking price after all the add ons. Why, simple because they went to a well run party were I provided great entertainment and yes had more then 10 people on a dance floor while playing a wide variety of music. This is not about ego it is about business and doing it the proper way.

I've done the same thing many times in the same situation. There has been one corporate client that I have charged the same for since 2008. I could up the rate but they treat me good and get my services 3-4 times a year. Each time it's my fee plus a healthy tip. My base for these people is still higher than 2/3 of what DJ's in this market charge. I've also done several weddings and birthday parties and a few retirements through this crowd among other things

Pick your battles and realize not everything should be a battle

When i was very young 16-20 I took those low paying jobs like you thinking it would help me and while it did get me some jobs it never got me well paying jobs. Finally someone took me under their wings and showed me how to do it right and I listened. You have been offered it many time but all you do is fight it because you are stuck in your ways and will not change. Until you check your ego you will never be anything more then a guy known for doing one type of music and low prices. Oh yeah and letting people walk all over you. These public park jobs you do that think get you so much exposure and I guess some type of fame. I wouldn't even start my car for the price they pay you.

I did the same also. In this area there are lots of charity dances someone is down on their luck or needs to travel for medical issues and can't work etc. They throw a dance and silent auction to raise money for them. Some are great cause some not so much. Most pay very little some nothing. Well I got in to playing a lot of them and mostly for people I didn't know. It was always for exposure that's what they would tell you.

One night a guy came up and said he ran the hall and I was the best he had seen. He was going to refer me for all the benefit dances....That made me look at things differently. Not weddings or parties, Corporate or NYE..Benefits that paid little or nothing

You create your own reputation. I still would do one if I got a call and it was some cause I cared about but it's been a while now
 
You expect me to fight with you and I'm not going to. You're right.
Mix, nothing in my post was to get you to fight with me. This is your problem you see everything as a fight. I was trying to give you good advice and nothing more. You for some reason just refuse to want to listen and take advice from people that know what they are talking about. I have done events from Connecticut to Key West and from the Jersey shore to California and everywhere in between. I didnt get to do those by not listening and learning from others that have been there. I sure as hell didnt get there by doing $200 jobs in the park.
 
The plan is to have four singers that are famous that everybody knows come in and perform.

I’d bet very few here will know those singers
I remember one singer at the last event was the lead singer of the Delphonics.
 
Wow a 74 year old singer. Look out this event screams broken hips.
I don't exactly remember all who performed. That event was about mature adults having an event to come to. A place where they can feel comfortable at the event. No worries about a fight breaking out or someone drinking too much acting silly.
 
and that is great but it isnt an event that is going to get you paid.
The pay is there. What I forgot to mention is my friend told me the Lodge booked an event with a bunch of young people at the event and they caused a lot of damage. I was told the place was closed down for a while for repairs to be made.

I know some people don't like when I say this. I'm very careful about the events I do with certain crowds. If I don't feel comfortable with doing an event I will pass. Something that another DJ on here said isn't so is gangster rap. They said there is no such thing. There is. They just never heard of it. Some events that all the people attending the event want to hear. They will tell you it's Ok to play songs with explicit lyrics. I know you're supposed to find out such things ahead of time but sometimes the client doesn't tell you this till you get there to do the event. When that happens the next time they call we're busy the day of their event even if we have that date open.
 
The pay is there. What I forgot to mention is my friend told me the Lodge booked an event with a bunch of young people at the event and they caused a lot of damage. I was told the place was closed down for a while for repairs to be made.

I know some people don't like when I say this. I'm very careful about the events I do with certain crowds. If I don't feel comfortable with doing an event I will pass. Something that another DJ on here said isn't so is gangster rap. They said there is no such thing. There is. They just never heard of it. Some events that all the people attending the event want to hear. They will tell you it's Ok to play songs with explicit lyrics. I know you're supposed to find out such things ahead of time but sometimes the client doesn't tell you this till you get there to do the event. When that happens the next time they call we're busy the day of their event even if we have that date open.
It's great that you're careful about events that you don't feel comfortable because of certain elements... but why can't one of those things you're careful about also be how much you get paid... getting paid in advance... and not doing events for free or close to nothing. Ps... if you had good videos of YOU djing, then you could show this promoter what you can do... instead of deciding if you should do a free event to get a paid event... a low paying event at that.

PS... it boggles my mind that YOU PAID to attend an event to photograph for your friend. He should be paying for your ticket and your time to do him the favor. Clearly your decisions arent made with your business in mind.
 
Its odd to me that you take into account the rooms size and capacity and feel sorry for the person hiring you...and so you work cheap..... yet your client sees the same room with the same capacity and says... im charging 20 dollars a head for this experience...

He will make 1400 and you will make 300...and you are the entertainment he's selling

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Its odd to me that you take into account the rooms size and capacity and feel sorry for the person hiring you...and so you work cheap..... yet your client sees the same room with the same capacity and says... im charging 20 dollars a head for this experience...

He will make 1400 and you will make 300...and you are the entertainment he's selling

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You're assuming that's how much he will make. You forgot to add in the cost to rent the room which is $500 and I'm sure if he does the event there will be food. The $20 was what it cost to attend the last event in that room. I don't know what he would charge per person. It's not my issue but I would want to know to know to let people know about the event and the cost to attend the event.
 
You're assuming that's how much he will make. You forgot to add in the cost to rent the room which is $500 and I'm sure if he does the event there will be food. The $20 was what it cost to attend the last event in that room. I don't know what he would charge per person. It's not my issue but I would want to know to know to let people know about the event and the cost to attend the event.

I've always been pretty good at basic math so let me try this...

The room holds 70 people

The fee to get in is $20

The rental is $500

Your fee is $300

There will be food add a minimum of an additional $350 probably more but we will go low

70X20 = $1400

$1400-$1150 in expenses is $250 in profit

4 hours gig time 2 hours setup 2 hours take down and 40 hours promoting and planning the gig

250/48 = $5.20 an hour.....Assuming he gets 70 people. If he get's 60 he loses money for all intents and purposes

Either he's trying to be the lowest paid promoter in history or he's as bad at this as you are
 
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...just don't try to BS youself or others into thinking you'll ever enjoy anything more than carcass and entrails. Honestly recognize the consequence of your choices and swallow your rotting leftovers.
 
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Mix
here we are in the middle of another thread...
where everyone is offering advice to you.

And as always, you read some of that advice,
blow it off
and then completely change the subject.
(see below...you answer with a four word sentence...and then move on to something else)

You are in denial, my friend...
and you are avoiding the harsh truth.



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Mix, this is why you will never get higher paying clients. I am not concerned with what he can make or what he is charging for people to get in. All I care about is my bottom line. If he cannot afford what I charge then I wish him luck and move on. If you do this job and say one person who is there wants to book you for a job and gets your number from this guy, the first thing he is going to do is tell them how much you charged them. At that point you are screwed because that is the price they are going to expect from you and the then they are going to try and low ball you from that price. You keep taking these low paying jobs thinking it will change things for you and guess what in all the years you have been on these forums nothing has changed. You still deal with the same stuff over and over again with the same problems.

It is a new year maybe now you should start listening to what everyone has told you to do and start implementing the changes we have told you to make. Stop focusing on things that do not matter and start fixing the things that do.

Perfect example. I did a party this year for the same group I have been doing for years. I charge them the same rate I did 5 years ago because of how much business they give me but they never reveal that price to anyone. From that job today alone I booked 3 jobs 2 graduation parties and one wedding all for well above my asking price after all the add ons. Why, simple because they went to a well run party were I provided great entertainment and yes had more then 10 people on a dance floor while playing a wide variety of music. This is not about ego it is about business and doing it the proper way.

When i was very young 16-20 I took those low paying jobs like you thinking it would help me and while it did get me some jobs it never got me well paying jobs. Finally someone took me under their wings and showed me how to do it right and I listened. You have been offered it many time but all you do is fight it because you are stuck in your ways and will not change. Until you check your ego you will never be anything more then a guy known for doing one type of music and low prices. Oh yeah and letting people walk all over you. These public park jobs you do that think get you so much exposure and I guess some type of fame. I wouldn't even start my car for the price they pay you.

Again this is not ego. This is the truth and I know you will pick out one line of this and tell me I dont understand but guess what i do. You are a very easy book to read. I have seen many DJs like you over the years and watched them all fail or live on scraps and I have seen others who listen and learn make millions doing this job. I and others on here will make more on our gigs in January then you will for the entire year hell maybe even two years but yet you still want to argue with us. It makes no sense.


THIS IS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT! BAMM, CLOSE THE THREAD! I wont even post anymore sexy pictures of myself... :)
 
I guess the real elephant in the room is... we all know Mix couldnt draw 70 people to any event...

The only reason any event he's done recently has had any amount of people in it is because he's set up next to the donut table at an AA meeting.

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