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Aaahhh...technology is a double edged sword. It makes our life much easier, makes it easier for almost anyone to dabble in this business, PLUS after many years, there is still no clear cut rule about us playing music in any format.

This legal dispute has been around since cassettes, then CD's, mini-discs, digital tape and now downloads. And it isn't going to be any firm decisions from the powers that be for a while...if ever.
 
Pro - DJing for pay is a COMMERCIAL use, no way around it. I don't know where you get the idea it isn't. Commercial use is any use where any income is generated due to the item. I'm not saying I don't do it, but their EULA is there to see. Only talking about the iTunes EULA here. Songs from other sources differ.

The above statement highlighted in red is where you are going wrong. "Any income" and "due" are concepts you don't correctly understand in relation to both the EULA and Copyrights.

First, I didn't just "get the idea" - I studied it in graduate courses on broadcasting law and copyrights. What you are over-extending is your notion of what is commercial. There is in copyright (and by extension the iTunes EULA) a correct legal definition of commercial use and it is not so simple as just money changing hands. The liability in copyright rests in the incident of the performance and is independent of any individual paid or unpaid to facilitate that performance. In other words, there must be a specific right reserved, and a derivative result that violates that right for an infringement to exist.

Consider the logical extension of your misunderstanding: under your definition all private performances by cover bands would be an infringement. Likewise, so would singing in the shower if someone gave you $10 to do it! The mere exchange of money is not what defines commercial use.

You are a mobile DJ and you are paid to provide labor (not a derivative product or enticement) at private events. Your labor provides the very same playback (performance of a work) reserved for you clients as exempt under USC Title 17. Your fee (or lack thereof) for this service is unrelated to the copyright concerns of the work being performed. You are being paid for the labor to exercise your clients exempt rights and it doesn't matter whose music collection you play from. It doesn't even matter if you stream it live from iTunes. As long as all you are doing is playback - ALL PRIVATE EVENTS are exempt and while there may be a commercial exchange of your labor - there is no commercial gain derived from the music played. It is no different than if the bride plays from her own iPod. No gain is derived by virtue of the music. Your personal gain is derived by showing up and taking over the labor role.

PRIVATE is legally defined in USC Title 17 with regard to performance of copyrighted works as: {Paraphrase} "any event whose attendance includes an individual, and that individual's family, friends, associates, and circle of acquaintances." The act further cites "weddings" as a perfect example of a private event.

Unless and until you record that performance and start handing it out to clients or guests, broadcast/stream it live or in delay, you have infringed no copyright, incurred no liability, owe no royalty, and manifested no commercial use of the works performed. The law doesn't reserve any rights for the copyright holders in that situation. The terms being: Private, and performance of the work only.

It has never been the intention of Congress or the Copyright Act to allow the commercial interest of copyright holders to intrude in to the everyday lives of private citizens. That position was reiterated (harshly, and to the dismay of the music industry) both in 1976 and again at the introduction of the Home Recording Act.

When you play a club or other public performance things change a little - but, it still doesn't affect the DJ. In a club the commercial use is food and beverage sales with music playback used to entice sales. It doesn't matter whether the music is a cover band or a DJ or even if they are paid to perform. What matters is that the music is copyrighted and is being used to entice the sale of food and beverage, or admittance (cover charge.) The commercial user in this instance is the venue not the DJ - even if the music collection belongs to the DJ.

Your fee as the DJ facilitating playback is almost never what defines commercial use. Even if you gave a public DJ concert or donated your services for a charity concert - it would be the total revenue generated or the total exposure of the works in question that would be the basis of any royalties - not your specific fee.

The performance (playback) of a copyrighted work is evaluated on the merits of the law and ONLY the rights reserved under the law. The copyright law reserves rights for the user sof copyrighted works just as it does for the copyright holders. Your fee for a service, who's CD or MP3 file it is, or how you facilitated it's playback is not generally a factor when it comes to a performance.

Your music collection is also your personal property (except where provided by a corporation), just as a carpenter's tools would be his own personal property. Your trade as a DJ is irrelevant to your right to rip your CDs to a hard drive, purchass etracks from iTunes, or to make backup copies of your hard drive. The RIAA knows this and represents their position with respect to serial copying meaning: a single user with 10 backup copies is different from10 copies created for multiple users - the latter case being piracy. Serial copying is a commercial use because you are producing derivative works for the express purpose of expanding your inventory. The right to produce inventory is expressly reserved for the copyright holders in ALL circumstances but Fair Use.

There is almost no circumstance in which the Fair Use clause would apply to a DJ operation. Protection for what you do would generally only come from your own personal use rights or the private nature of your client's event, combined with benevolent intent and diligent care. Thus, ripping a CD given to you by a bride so you can play it from you software presumes that you will delete the file when the event is over. Do that, and you have damaged no one's copyright. (Notice I chose the word damaged not "violated.") Conversely, if you collect all these little gems over the years you are essentially file-sharing with your clients! Intention and a policy of responsible action are always relevant in copyright. There is nothing "technical" about copyright - it is measured by damages.

The format you choose to put your music in to facilitate playback does not matter. In fact, the HRA infers Congressional intent in the digital age based on the same transfer rights reserved in 1976 for broadcasters using carts or tape media rather than phonographs. The issue in format transfers again is serial copying - and whether the purpose is to facilitate playback or backup as opposed to increasing inventory without additional purchases.

Check out karaoke manufacturers like Sound Choice who are employing IP strategies similar to Getty Images and you will find that what they actually pursue is trademark in public venues because when it comes to individual DJs they are without standing on the issue of copyright. They lack that standing for two reasons: most karaoke DJs perform at private events, and then in the public venues if the DJ owns the music collection he retains the same personal property rights of any individual. That leaves only the venue liable for the commercial use of a trademark. What makes this an exact copy of the Getty approach is that there is only an unsubstantiated claim and the treat of a civil suit. These are cases that can be easily won - but at a cost that exceeds acquiescence. The plaintiff essentially wins out of court by scaring the KJ out of business or to the cash register to buy legitimate product. Do the ends justify the means? ..all a matter of personal perspective I suppose.

If you research old iTunes/iPod commercials you will see that Apple is quite comfortable with DJs and the fact that iTunes is a great place to get your tracks, and a great way to get them played. The commercial use clause of the EULA does not apply to you as a wedding DJ because that activity does not constitute a commercial use.
 
This is what I call sharing of information. I hope people will take heed.
 
Bob -

I truly appreciate the long, detailed response and I'm sure you have a more extensive background than I, but having spent a good deal of time writing contracts, when I see:

(i) You shall be authorized to use iTunes Products only for personal, noncommercial use

I don't come to the same conclusion as you that DJ use is personal, unless it is the DJ listening to their own music. I have never seen an indication that a DJ is not considered a business. I have researched the definitions of noncommercial, and it would appear if you get paid, it is a commercial use. Whether the licensing is covered under another blanket such as the ASCAP/BMI/etc venue licensing, would be up for discussion, and again, I was ONLY referring to the iTunes EULA, not a music in general thing.
 
Bob -

I truly appreciate the long, detailed response and I'm sure you have a more extensive background than I, but having spent a good deal of time writing contracts, when I see:

(i) You shall be authorized to use iTunes Products only for personal, noncommercial use

I don't come to the same conclusion as you that DJ use is personal, unless it is the DJ listening to their own music. I have never seen an indication that a DJ is not considered a business. I have researched the definitions of noncommercial, and it would appear if you get paid, it is a commercial use. Whether the licensing is covered under another blanket such as the ASCAP/BMI/etc venue licensing, would be up for discussion, and again, I was ONLY referring to the iTunes EULA, not a music in general thing.
Steve,
To add to the debate, I would think that what Bob said can be correct. If the DJ went into a Club or Hotel with his own Library, then the DJ is not violating the Copyright Act. Now, if the Venue/Club/Hotel were to provide the Music Library, then that would constitute Commercial use. Hence the reason why Restaurants, Clubs etc have to pay for the ASCAP and BMI Licenses if they have piped music. Clubs have Jukeboxes for this very reason. The Jukebox owners and/or Lessees are the responsible parties.
 
I agree for a music library "in general" .. I was merely pointing out the terminology in the iTunes EULA that seems to state something different.

The Amazon EULA is even more specific: (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200154280 )

You represent, warrant and agree that you will use the Service only for your personal, non-commercial, entertainment use and not for any redistribution of the Digital Content or other use restricted in this Section 2.2. You agree not to infringe the rights of the Digital Content's copyright owners and to comply with all applicable laws in your use of the Digital Content. Except as set forth in Section 2.1 above, you agree that you will not redistribute, transmit, assign, sell, broadcast, rent, share, lend, modify, adapt, edit, license or otherwise transfer or use the Digital Content. You are not granted any synchronization, public performance, promotional use, commercial sale, resale, reproduction or distribution rights for the Digital Content. You acknowledge that the Digital Content embodies the intellectual property of a third party and is protected by law.

I buy from both and use both, just laying it out there.
 
I agree for a music library "in general" .. I was merely pointing out the terminology in the iTunes EULA that seems to state something different.

The Amazon EULA is even more specific: (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200154280 )

You represent, warrant and agree that you will use the Service only for your personal, non-commercial, entertainment use and not for any redistribution of the Digital Content or other use restricted in this Section 2.2. You agree not to infringe the rights of the Digital Content's copyright owners and to comply with all applicable laws in your use of the Digital Content. Except as set forth in Section 2.1 above, you agree that you will not redistribute, transmit, assign, sell, broadcast, rent, share, lend, modify, adapt, edit, license or otherwise transfer or use the Digital Content. You are not granted any synchronization, public performance, promotional use, commercial sale, resale, reproduction or distribution rights for the Digital Content. You acknowledge that the Digital Content embodies the intellectual property of a third party and is protected by law.

I buy from both and use both, just laying it out there.
That is why DJs need to stay away from using iTunes. That was created for consumers using iPods! Just saying!
 
Keep in mind that iTunes is a global company. The EULA has to be in general language that can be applied everywhere. What I have told you only applies to the United States. Just go across the border into Canada and everything changes. The UK is even more different than Canada and yes, you need a Digital DJ license when working overseas.

Once you leave our borders the legal definitions of terms like: "private, public, and commercial use" may all be very different.

The kind of licenses you see in other countries is not possible in the US because of our anti-trust laws. The USA also has a significantly larger economic interest in intellectual property because this country is such a large producer of it.

Yet, here iTunes is cool and mobile DJs don't need to worry about where the track came from just so long as they legitimately buy them through authorized retail or wholesale distributors, or are given them directly from the labels/artists with permission.
 
You represent, warrant and agree that you will use the Service only for your personal, non-commercial, entertainment use and not for any redistribution of the Digital Content or other use restricted in this Section 2.2. You agree not to infringe the rights of the Digital Content's copyright owners and to comply with all applicable laws in your use of the Digital Content. Except as set forth in Section 2.1 above, you agree that you will not redistribute, transmit, assign, sell, broadcast, rent, share, lend, modify, adapt, edit, license or otherwise transfer or use the Digital Content. You are not granted any synchronization, public performance, promotional use, commercial sale, resale, reproduction or distribution rights for the Digital Content. You acknowledge that the Digital Content embodies the intellectual property of a third party and is protected by law.

Steve, you are not broadcasting or performing publicly and the kind of events you are doing are all personal, non-commercial entertainment. You are well within the scope of the EULA.
 
Ok .. just find it hard to accept that playing music in a bar for money is not a public performance.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that the iTunes EULA is binding legally if some other blanket license covers it, just saying it is what they have you "sign" (and this is the US version, not a WW version).
 
Anything outside your house can constitute public performance
 
Wow, these debates are going on here as well? Here I was thinking I was taking a break from them on karaoke forums, where they are rampant- especially because of the added lyrics display. No rest for the weary.....

For the record, I agree with Proformance to the letter.
 
Ok .. just find it hard to accept that playing music in a bar for money is not a public performance.

Good grief. You still don't get it.
Steve, you need to stop trying to "unify" all circumstances into one neat category. You are making to many links between unrelated things and different conditions. You can not change conditions and expect the same rules to apply. Neither can you assume that because two things happen simultaneously that they are legally related.

1. Playing in a bar that is open for business IS a public performance but you or the band getting paid is NOT what makes it so.

2. Playing a wedding in that same bar is NOT a public performance and again you getting paid is irrelevant.

Anything outside your house can constitute public performance

Dead wrong. The law specifies exactly what is or is not a public performance. This confusion that so many of you have simply doesn't exist outside of your own head. The copyright act is very clear about what is or is not a public performance.

You can play a wedding in a public park and still not perform anything publicly. The performance is not made public simply because someone can overhear what you are doing.
 
Dead wrong. The law specifies exactly what is or is not a public performance. This confusion that so many of you have simply doesn't exist outside of your own head. The copyright act is very clear about what is or is not a public performance.

You can play a wedding in a public park and still not perform anything publicly. The performance is not made public simply because someone can overhear what you are doing.


Love to see you argue that one in court Bob, and the results...
 
Anything outside your house can constitute public performance
LOL I know exactly what you mean. I don't think Proformance caught the joke! ;)
 
Love to see you argue that one in court Bob, and the results...
You seem to know something that Bob or neither of us do....mind sharing? Can you point to some knowledge base that has caused you to dispel what he stated?
 
You seem to know something that Bob or neither of us do....mind sharing? Can you point to some knowledge base that has caused you to dispel what he stated?


Simply experience...

I've had my days in court as a plaintiff a few times (I always had a copyright lawyer, since I'm not a lawyer, and don't even play one on TV).

It's not hard for me to prove if somebody violated my EULA. The hard part is deciding whether you want to spend the money up front, and then hope to recoup your legal costs. If I do not give you the right to perform one of my songs in a given environment, then you have not only violated my EULA, but also copyright.

Commercial use is well defined -- it means for-profit. I assume you folks are attempting to make a profit.

If you are using other peoples IP to make a profit (without express permission from the IP holder to do such), you're on the losing end of the stick.


Granted, I have not really heard of any cases where companies/individuals have gone after individual DJs. I'm sorta guessing it would be hard to collect even the legal fees, let alone damages. So, quite frankly, I doubt if you need to worry, but it is feasible that Apple or Amazon could take you to court over it, and undoubtedly they would win.
 
Good grief. You still don't get it.
Steve, you need to stop trying to "unify" all circumstances into one neat category. You are making to many links between unrelated things and different conditions. You can not change conditions and expect the same rules to apply. Neither can you assume that because two things happen simultaneously that they are legally related.

1. Playing in a bar that is open for business IS a public performance but you or the band getting paid is NOT what makes it so.

2. Playing a wedding in that same bar is NOT a public performance and again you getting paid is irrelevant.



Dead wrong. The law specifies exactly what is or is not a public performance. This confusion that so many of you have simply doesn't exist outside of your own head. The copyright act is very clear about what is or is not a public performance.

You can play a wedding in a public park and still not perform anything publicly. The performance is not made public simply because someone can overhear what you are doing.

Bob - Not sure what I am linking and unifying. All I was saying was the EULAs from iTunes and Amazon prohibit non-personal use. I also stated that I have researched and can not find anything that would consider playing music out for pay (whether it was for a wedding or a bar) NOT A PUBLIC PERFORMANCE. You keep asserting it is not .. I haven't seen anything out there that agrees, that's all.

Whether I am allowed to play it anyway IS a valid discussion topic, as the venue's licensing may allow it, regardless of the EULA (ie, the EULA may not be enforceable). Just laying out what it says.

If you can show where a DJ performance for pay is NOT PUBLIC, please link it.