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The HD2500 has jog wheels so its just like having a dual cd player.
Any controller or device with Jog Wheels will give you the same experience as a Dual CD deck.

The HD2500 can be used by itself. Some Controllers like the RMX Hercules like Steve uses is hooked up to VDJ. Kyle uses Serato with 2 CDJs. Some use DAC2 controllers (also look like dual CD controllers) with their PCDJ.

If you use Viny or CD Table or Dual CD decks, any device with 1 or 2 Jog wheels will almost be the same across the board.

I think what you should be looking for or trying out is Software that you are comfortable with. This is where it changes for a lot of us. How a file is searched , the layout of the screen, how fast it searches, reliabilty, ease of use etc...
Once you find a program you really like, there a a lot of ways to add controllers...
 
Anna - I use a combination of keyboard shortcuts, and a trackball mouse. For me it works dandy....
I've contemplated a controller....never got around to trying one.....

I know you don't like automated playlists/mixing...Just don't use it....

The real benefit is having your entire library at your fingertips that you can search/access within seconds.....

Imagine...you've got Rick Astley jammin at 118 bpm.....you want to segue into something else......Sort by BPM and you've got all you choice in seconds.....
 
DJ Ducky said:
Hmm...interesting responses so far. :) Sounds like most of you are suggesting that I go for either a laptop or a media controller; the media controller was what I had been considering for awhile. For those who switched from CDs to a laptop or controller, how did you get acclimated to the new technology?
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the exact same way you got acclimated to cd's. practice, practice, practice.

The first step is figuring out what will be most comfortable for you. Will it be a digital controller? Will it be a laptop? Which software(try rick's)?

Everyone of us is more comfortable with different things than others. take your time, explore, ask lots of questions, try different software, then practice practice practice
 
I am still cd based myself and love the feel of my decks. I tried Serato for a little bit, but I just can't put trust into a computer for my events. I do bring a laptop with me, but a Denon HD 2500 will be added to my rig to cut down on the amount of cd's I bring out.
 
DJ T-BONE said:
i just started ripping my cds to mp3 using windows media player 11 and playing back on my denon 6000s..
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just a word of caution on WMP

if you ripp them as wma's then dont say you get caught when it wont play again someplace else...

if they are ripped as MP3's then thats fine you can move them anywhere you like

trouble is that ripping them as wma's that have the DRM (Digital Rights Media) its copyrighted and then is no longer your property they become the property of microcrap's

just so you know...
 
Everytime you make a change it is work and then you must learn the new way of doing things. If you're not going digital (laptop), mp3 cd's are the next best thing. 256kbp will give you over 100 songs on one disc. That really lightens the load. Myself, I'm sticking with cds. It's what I'm comfortable with and I feel like I have more control. And besides, it's hard to change your ways. Kinda like using roofing nails and a hammer to roof a house as opposed to using an air stapler.:sqbiggrin:
 
DjDennis said:
just a word of caution on WMP

if you ripp them as wma's then dont say you get caught when it wont play again someplace else...

if they are ripped as MP3's then thats fine you can move them anywhere you like

trouble is that ripping them as wma's that have the DRM (Digital Rights Media) its copyrighted and then is no longer your property they become the property of microcrap's

just so you know...
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dennis

thanks for the heads up.. but i rip them to mp3s and then burn them to a data cd
 
thatmusicguy said:
I guess it's like smokers trying to quit....gotta have something in their hand...

Anna ....switch and you'll wonder what you hadn't long ago.....
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Anna, No need to switch until digital data sound quality (MP3) AT LEAST EQUALS that of CDs.

I would also add that, after reading all of the posts by PC users, NOTHING shows me that it's any easier. Read the posts. They have software problems, they have sound problems, they have much higher and continuing costs, they have hardware problems way in excess of those of us with CD players. In short, a lot of people talk about how great it is, but the words don't match the facts. No need to take my word for it. Read through the forum. The problems and costs for a PC rig seem endless. Not to mention the fact that NO ONE says that the sound source is better than CDs, not even the most die hard MP3 fan.

Also, many Mfrs. are cutting back or completely stopping digital data production. My advice is to wait awhile,and see what next generation hard media brings.....

I DO understand that you wish to use MP3 discs to categorize by artist. This will take some time, but MAY be worth it for you.

Virtually EVERY new player in all price ranges will play MP3 discs, so that shouldn't be a problem.
 
Joe and Anna. I use MP3's not because they are better but more for the lighter load and the ease of use. Which the load in is the only superior thing about it. If That factor wasnt crystal clear I would still be carrying in 12 crates of vinyl as I really miss Jockeying Discs.

The transition to the two newer ways was horrendous and completing it took a very long time. Im weeding down my CD collection as I type. Its been tough but shrinking a footprint for vinyl down to CD was a significant space saver and once I complete the HD switch over I will save a significant space again.

You see I brought near 1200 CDs to each event cause I prefer to have more songs by the favorite artists than the radio stations. More genres and so on. Now I can bring everything on my 500 Gig HD and use the HD2500 and Rockit Ricks software the skys the limit with music in mind. Only the equipment footprint from then on.
 
JoeChartreuse said:
Anna, No need to switch until digital data sound quality (MP3) AT LEAST EQUALS that of CDs.

I would also add that, after reading all of the posts by PC users, NOTHING shows me that it's any easier. Read the posts. They have software problems, they have sound problems, they have much higher and continuing costs, they have hardware problems way in excess of those of us with CD players. In short, a lot of people talk about how great it is, but the words don't match the facts. No need to take my word for it. Read through the forum. The problems and costs for a PC rig seem endless. Not to mention the fact that NO ONE says that the sound source is better than CDs, not even the most die hard MP3 fan.

Also, many Mfrs. are cutting back or completely stopping digital data production. My advice is to wait awhile,and see what next generation hard media brings.....

I DO understand that you wish to use MP3 discs to categorize by artist. This will take some time, but MAY be worth it for you.

Virtually EVERY new player in all price ranges will play MP3 discs, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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Joe,
You've said before that people are getting inferior sound. I disagree. I have been using computers for years and i have found that customers simply cannot distinguish between a cd being played and a quality audio file. therefore, no inferior sound.
EVERY media source i've used has had issues. Years ago, when i used cd players, i had cd's skip, doors jam, lasers go bad. I can tell you I've had far fewer issues since switching to computers than any other media source i've ever used.
The reason you hear fewer and fewer issues with cd players is because less and less people are using them, and when they do have an issue is when they make the switch to 90's technology(ok that was a joke).

I totally support anyone's decision on what media source they choose. They are the one that has to run it. If it works for you, go for it. However, If someone thinks that switching to computers is going to cause excess hardware problems, increase costs, and give you inferior sound, I have found none of these things to be true. I have found computers save me A LOT of time and have made my life much easier with regards to DJing. More importantly, MY CUSTOMERS are happier because i now have instant access to thousands and thousands of songs. I don't care how well you know your collection, when a customer wants a song that you've never played before, or have only played once in years, you are not going to instantly know if you have it or where it is. With a computer, I do.
I don't think i am the only one that thinks that way.

Here's a question. How many dj's have made the switch from cd's to computers. a lot. How many dj's have made the switch from computers to cd's? anyone?....buehler? Why would all of these DJ's increase their costs and give themselves excess hardware problems....doesnt make sense....not to mention giving their customers a lower quality sound.

Kind of like the old question...where was a better place to live...the usa or soviet union? well, how many people were defecting from the US?
 
I defected to Canada does that count? Call me a Draft Dodger. Is the war on economics over yet. The Depression? Im waiting.
 
Jon Tuck said:
I defected to Canada does that count? Call me a Draft Dodger. Is the war on economics over yet. The Depression? Im waiting.
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here's the official defection count

USSR....863, 432

USA ..............2......Jon Tuck and Madonna
 
While I agree that an MP3 CD will hold much more music than a standard CD, I'm not convinced that MP3 CD will make life behind the console easier.

Reason I say this (and it's been mentioned by my compadres here), cataloging and managing 100 tracks on a single disc on the fly could be an accountant's nightmare. You'd need some sort of dependable cataloging medium to keep track of where your tunes are.

Managing MP3 CDs by artist could be self-defeating because most artists have not released enough singles to even partially fill an MP3 disc. It would be an advantage if you prefer to keep entire LPs or full CDs by the artists on a single disc though. That said, you'd be loading a lot of music you'll likely never need to play.

The sound quality debate is moot. I have heard CDA tracks that had poorer tone than high bitrate MP3s. Some CD tracks are simply poorly mixed down and compressed. For my part I can't tell the difference between the two when the MP3 is done with a high bitrate.
 
Fred wouldnt a music library that catalogs the mp3's do

I have done that for home use and you can track what ever you like on it

I use Catraxx which works great for that
I can also use CatVids for all my DVD movies no hassles at all
 
DjDennis said:
Fred wouldnt a music library that catalogs the mp3's do
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that is a wonderful idea. you could have a computer program that will tell you exactly where the file is.

wait a minute....what if we expand on that program....put in a player or players that could play those mp3s.....maybe even play more than one song at a time.....mix them if needed. that would make life much simpler.

I gotta call rick with this idea
 
Scott at home I already have that in Catraxx

it can store the files (mp3's) for me in or as an addon for catraxx as medai files
you should have a look at what it can do (www.catraxx.net)

cheap to buy as well
 
DjDennis said:
Scott at home I already have that in Catraxx

it can store the files (mp3's) for me in or as an addon for catraxx as medai files
you should have a look at what it can do (www.catraxx.net)

cheap to buy as well
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Dennis,
I didn't mean any disrespect, I was just being a smart A@@

that does look like a very cool program
 
it is I have had it since version 2....

anyway I can get off the soap box now :)
 
Jon Tuck said:
You see I brought near 1200 CDs to each event cause I prefer to have more songs by the favorite artists than the radio stations. .
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Yup, no question that the weight is less. For me,carrying 1200 CDs in 2 books ( in my case closer to 1800 in 3 books) just isn't that big a deal though. Less then a cubic foot of space, and one trip to carry in...

I don't use CD racks to save space- and no, I'm careful enough, and my discs are just fine in the books.
 
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