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Arnoldo

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Nov 29, 2006
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Bearshare.. Kazaa.. etc.

Made you look, huh? :sqwink:

Let's all get off our high horse and answer honestly. The RIAA is not going to come and arrest anyone.

You have a client that needs a song and you cannot find it. This song is very important to them and if you have it, you'll be a hero. You cannot find it on CD, iTunes, Wal-Mart etc. (Either sold our or w/e).

There is a copy available on P2P.

What do you do? And be 100% honest.

By no means am I condoning bootlegging. However, did you know the RIAA has already stated that iTunes/WalMart/Napster songs are NOT allowed for public play and it is just as illegal to play them at mobile gigs as it is songs from P2P? (I'll have to find the MB mag that had this article and quote)
 
I don't go to Limewire or other P2P services, but do buy from WallyWorld if there is something I can't find elsewhere.

P2P sharing can be an easy way to download more than just the song and usually the quality isn't there. All of WallyWorlds music is ripped at 128 kbps, which is another reason I only use them as a last resort. While Wal Mart might not be 100% legal it is the closest thing to it, and according to what I have heard the RIAA recognizes that you are making an effort to the best of your abilities to stay legal.

If the song means that much to them they probably have a copy of it somewhere. I ask them to email me a copy of the song, and I'll use it for their party but I won't ripp it into my computer. As a last resort I can ask some of my DJ buddies if they have a copy of the song and use it for the gig but (again) wouldn't ripp it to my computer
 
I have no problem admitting I use Limewire, and honestly, almost on a daily basis.
 
I haven't had to yet...but I would do what ever it's takes to get that one special song.
 
DJCraziAce said:
That's the thing, Bob. Asking a DJ for his copy is the same as downloading it. Quality's not an issue
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Quality is an issue with me. Borrowing a copy from a friend guarantees me the song is of good quality, is virus free, and is the version I want. I will download from WallyWorld but just don't trust the P2P sites. So far I have never been stumped for getting a special song request. However, unless I buy the CD or purchase the song I will not keep a copy of it.

If a guest comes up to you with a CD and asks you to play a song from it, would you play it if the song is appropriate and has the clients OK to play?

Is that illegal?.
 
I prefer Ares myself and yup I would if need be

That being said I also prefer to own the music, not through some big moral obligation, but I just like to have the hard copies of it. Downloads don't have liner notes :sqwink:
 
Personally, on a side note, mobiles should be given the music like radio jocks.... it'd be nice if we could just pay a flat yearly fee to legally play any song we want, despite its source.

I'm not trying to condone bootlegging, but I just hate hearing DJs (not on this board as much) pretending they never P2P.
 
DJCraziAce said:
Personally, on a side note, mobiles should be given the music like radio jocks.... it'd be nice if we could just pay a flat yearly fee to legally play any song we want, despite its source.
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I've been saying that for years and usually get kicked every time I suggest it
 
I have not, will not and never will ever, EVER!!!

Let me repeat myself, Never will I use any illegal source to obtain even the most obscure track... If I can't get it legally I simply will tell the client it is out of print and ask if they have a copy. There is nothing illegal about playing from a clients disc.

I pride myself on haveing a completely legal library... I'm not taking the moral high ground this is just for my own pride. I am not saying that I condem any folks here for using such sites but I will not do so.

No prentending, no lie I don't do it.
 
Tried Napster when it came out, I downloaded a couple of songs only to find out sound quality was horrible and there where pops and crackles on the file so I said to hell with it and my whole collection (CD's, Tapes, 12" Vinyl, 7" Vinyl, etc.) has been converted to MP3's. For every MP3 in my collection there's a hard copy of each. I have made multiple copies on DVD as backup in case I lose a hard drive. And I have stuff that I cannot find anymore.

Another thing if I was in the DJ business, I'd keep everything 100% legal, one thing I learned in the US is that people will sue you for everything, so I would not like to go against the record companies. I agree on what you say regarding a license to be able to operate without having to worry about anything. The only thing is that the license needs to be reasonably priced, and just like in the old days DJ's help promote the music which may lead people to stores. Another thing would be lowering the price on CD's they where supposed to go down in price not up.
 
To be honest, I've yet to use P2P. Heard too many horror stories about poor sound quality and malware-laden utilities. That said, we've used Wallyworld and other legal (paid) download sites on occasion.

Yup, as I understand, Wallyworld downloads aren't licenced for commercial purposes. Not sure why that is... some sort of agreement with the record companies, perhaps.

Bob brings up a valid point. More often than not, when a client asks for an obscure song, he or she has it anyway. On numerous occasions, we've had a client say "I have the CD if you need it."

Getting 'em to actually bring the disc to the show is another story, lol. :D

One point that bears repeating: Nothing is technically illegal until a court of law determines that it is. Napster may have been breaking the law in the old days as a P2P... but it wasn't stifled until the judge handed down his decision.
 
That's very true Fred, my current clients have both told me if I couldn't get one of their special songs they had them on CD.... for my upcomming wedding I was asked for a Rod Stewart song Faith of the Heart... the only way I was able to obtain it since they didn't have it was from Amazon.com from a seller.... it was only found on a single from the sound track for Patch Adams.... it cost me over $30 for that one song... worth it to me to be legal. And I'm still the hero.
 
thatmusicguy said:
But Rob - are you truly legal?

Public performance and all.....
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I’m not sure what you are inferring with that comment, but I know that my conscious is clear when it comes to my music library… I have every CD that every track on my computer contains… every legal download has a receipt with it. I’m not running a multi-system and therefore have a 1:1 ratio of music vs. mp3.

I have not one single song downloaded from any pirate network, be it limewire or any other. Every song I own I bought and paid for… how many can really say that.

Even if the User Agreements state that the music from sites such as iTunes for example, state not for public performance so do many of the CDs and other media we use on a regular basis… what I can’t tolerated at least in my own library is blatant theft of music through such sites as limewire.

And BTW even playing from disc in a public or commercial environment is no more legal than playing from a computer just read the copyright information on any CD information leaflet but I will not support P2P networks that do not have the authorization to provide music as free downloads… they are not supporting the artists and they are not legal, period. For me it’s a matter of pride nothing more.
 
A friend was telling me a few days ago that there are now songs on p2p that if you download them, they will hijack or lockup any music you have on your computer. Then a ransom is demanded where you send money through western union to some place to have it unlocked. Interesting.

One other thing. Why was napster closed down by the courts while limewire and kaazza were allow to continue?
 
Brian Martin said:
A friend was telling me a few days ago that their are now songs on p2p that if you download them, they will hijack or lockup any music you have on your computer. Then a ransom is demanded where you send money through western union to some place to have it unlocked. Interesting.

One other thing. Why was napster closed down by the courts while limewire and kaazza were allow to continue?
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I believe and I could be wrong about this but aren't Limewire and kaazza non-us sites?
 
DJCraziAce said:
A wedding is not a public performance. It is a closed performance... however, a nightclub, skating rink, etc needs proper BMI/ASCAP licensing.

It seems LEGAL online downloads are not legal for any performance. Wtf?
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Very true but most mobile DJs don't even have to pay the BMI/ASCAP or even SEASAC (karaoke license not sure if thats the right acronym) because unless the DJ is hosting a party for profit much like a bar then the venue pays these fees.

Limewire and other p2p's pay nothing.... are full of malware and illegal plain and simple.... never mind the dj that downloads 1000s of songs and proclaims himself a DJ or the DJ that in a pinch gets that one jem that can't be found otherwise, its illegal, none of the fees due the artists and the agencies that represent them get paid.

And I for one can not in good conscience support this activity... its just morally wrong.

TMHO, flame me if you want to... but you'll never change my mind.
 
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