An example of a wedding agenda

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Esoteric said:
So Jesus didn't pray at the passover meal? He just asked everyone to bown their heads and say a private prayer? What did Jesus do before he raised Lazerus? Did he just bow his head silently?

I find it very disturbing that I must be sure to not step on anyone else's toes, I must be tolerant of everyone else, but when it comes to my beliefs intolerance is okay because it is wrapped in an accusation of sanctimony and vanity.

In our case it would be my first prayer as the head of our new household, an acknowledgment of our reliance on God for our very life and our prayer that God would be present at this holy event.

Remember there is a difference between reading the Bible and understanding it. The Bible even says that even Satan and the demons believe in God.

Mike

PS It is anything but vain (in fact it is the very opposite of vanity to recognize an all powerful God and to thank him for everything he has given you), and you are in no position to call anyones faith sanctimonious, especially if you do not know them and their motives. You say self righteous like it is a bad thing. By its dictionary definition I am completely self righteous because I am confident in my righteousness not by anything I have done but by the sacrifice of my savior on the cross.
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Mike - I did not say anything about simply praying in public being wrong or undesireable, nor did I say that Jesus didn't engage in it.

The only thing I referenced... that Jesus himself DID speak about (and yes, I both read AND understood it correctly and with his intended meaning...) was the NEED or DESIRE of the individual to BE SEEN praying publicity.

When those needs or desires are there, that is not a good thing.

If their intentions are pure and they understand the reason and need for prayer, and respect their creators wishes regarding prayer, they will act accordingly in their own way and should not be overly concerned about whether or not there is a formal, public prayer time.

That's all.

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And Matt, I mean Sounds To Go, the passage you quote applies to private prayer. The Pharasies of Jesus' day had the practice of private prayer in public places so they could be seen.

A blessing before a group meal or of a couple in their new life together is meant to be a public event. Believe me, God knows the difference.
 
djrox said:
Esoteric,

You are just providing Justin undeserved pleasure by even considering his opinions on faith.

It is like caring about Stevie Wonder's opinion of your haircut. How could it matter?:sqwink:
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I have expressed no opinions on faith here - merely quoted a scripture and restated what is already clear within it - that those who WANT TO BE SEEN praying or feel a need to be seen are not going about it the right way, and their prayers won't be heard.

Unless you wish to take issue with what was said in that passage itself, other commentary aside, my position stands and isn't a matter of opinion - merely of pointing out the biblical passage that is germane to the discussion.
 
Sounds To Go said:
Mike - I did not say anything about simply praying in public being wrong or undesireable, nor did I say that Jesus didn't engage in it.

The only thing I referenced... that Jesus himself DID speak about (and yes, I both read AND understood it correctly and with his intended meaning...) was the NEED or DESIRE of the individual to BE SEEN praying publicity.

When those needs or desires are there, that is not a good thing.

If their intentions are pure and they understand the reason and need for prayer, and respect their creators wishes regarding prayer, they will act accordingly in their own way and should not be overly concerned about whether or not there is a formal, public prayer time.

That's all.

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I think that anyone who understands the Christian faith would clearly see that there is a reason to be concerned about a public prayer time. To not do so seems to me (although it may not be, but since we are making assumptions about people's faith) as if they are ashamed of God or wanting to keep the glory and the moment for themselves rather than point to their creator and thank him for all his blessings.

Mike
 
Esoteric said:
And you are who exactly to judge if they are good hosts based upon this one question?

Mike
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That is why it is one of several designed to bring out whether they care about their guests or not. It is just my experience that those hosts that do not care about their guests tend to be poor hosts. Your mileage on this matter may vary so maybe you might want to up your octane.
 
GoodKnightDJ said:
And Matt, I mean Sounds To Go, the passage you quote applies to private prayer. The Pharasies of Jesus' day had the practice of private prayer in public places so they could be seen.

A blessing before a group meal or of a couple in their new life together is meant to be a public event. Believe me, God knows the difference.
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True - but again, those who share that belief and are doing it for those pure reasons will not be dissuaded from offering their own blessing in their own way at the event, for the couple, or for the meal, regardless of what the herd may be doing.

If its important to them, it WILL get done regardless. Their thanks and blessings will go out where they need to go.
 
Sounds To Go said:
I have expressed no opinions on faith here - merely quoted a scripture and restated what is already clear within it - that those who WANT TO BE SEEN praying or feel a need to be seen are not going about it the right way, and their prayers won't be heard.

Unless you wish to take issue with what was said in that passage itself, other commentary aside, my position stands and isn't a matter of opinion - merely of pointing out the biblical passage that is germane to the discussion.
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But you must look at the context of a passage in order to ascertain what it means. You can not just go about pulling passages and willy-nilly quoting them in order to try and make a point. THAT is what I mean about understanding Scripture.

In this case the passage means that you should not pray in public in order to bring attention to yourself. But it does not make any prohibition against public prayer (which Jesus demonstrated over and over again).

You see one part of the Bible can not oppose any other part. Under your reading what Jesus says and what he does disagree. This can not be. Thus we see that under my reading (and the traditional one in the church) what he says and what he does match up.

Mike
 
GoodKnightDJ said:
That is why it is one of several designed to bring out whether they care about their guests or not. It is just my experience that those hosts that do not care about their guests tend to be poor hosts. Your mileage on this matter may vary so maybe you might want to up your octane.
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Fascinating. You must be a better judge of character than I to be able to tell if someone is a good host after an hour long meeting and a couple of phone calls. I think that you would come away from a meeting with me thinking I am not a good host and you could not be more wrong.

Mike
 
Esoteric said:
But you must look at the context of a passage in order to ascertain what it means. You can not just go about pulling passages and willy-nilly quoting them in order to try and make a point. THAT is what I mean about understanding Scripture.

In this case the passage means that you should not pray in public in order to bring attention to yourself. But it does not make any prohibition against public prayer (which Jesus demonstrated over and over again).

You see one part of the Bible can not oppose any other part. Under your reading what Jesus says and what he does disagree. This can not be. Thus we see that under my reading (and the traditional one in the church) what he says and what he does match up.

Mike
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Your meaning about context is well taken, and understood, but there is no conflict between the proper context and what I am saying. I am speaking of the INTENT behind the prayer. That's all I am addressing.

The public/private distinction doesn't matter.

The desire TO BE SEEN praying is all I am referencing. I have made no opinion or statement regarding the legitimacy of public or private prayer in and of themselves.

Tom's stated concern is for the sensibilities and preferences of the guests at the event. What he doesn't seem to be realizing is that if their intentions regarding the prayer are pure, and in line with the kind of prayer that is desired by their creator, they won't be stopped from placing those up. That's all I am saying. They don't need an advocate looking out for them to make sure they can "squeek in some prayer time." And that's exactly what Tom, seems to be trying to ensure - that they get to do that.

Would it be a "perfect" world in their eyes if everyone shared their faith and wanted to offer up the same kind of prayer at the same time? Sure it would... But it's not that perfect world... If it was, they wouldn't need to look forward to a better one. :)
 
in reading the most current posts in this thread a certain chapter in Acts comes to mind.
So I pose this question. Thom or anyone else what would you do if these folks in prayer were swept into speaking in tongues would you then translate to sanctify the means?
 
Esoteric said:
Fascinating. You must be a better judge of character than I to be able to tell if someone is a good host after an hour long meeting and a couple of phone calls. I think that you would come away from a meeting with me thinking I am not a good host and you could not be more wrong.

Mike
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Correction, I can tell if they care about their guests. It is my experience that those that do not care about their guests are not good hosts.
 
Jon Tuck said:
in reading the most current posts in this thread a certain chapter in Acts comes to mind.
So I pose this question. Thom or anyone else what would you do if these folks in prayer were swept into speaking in tongues would you then translate to sanctify the means?
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Quite interesting. I do not believe in tongues, so if someone started speaking in them at our wedding I would not stop them, but I could not in good conscious translate them. I would hope someone else could though. I would like to know what they were saying.

Mike
 
GoodKnightDJ said:
Correction, I can tell if they care about their guests. It is my experience that those that do not care about their guests are not good hosts.
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How many "red flags" does it take before someone "doesn't care about their guests"? I care about their opinions deeply on some things, but on others, no I don't really care what they think.

Mike
 
and Mike it wouldnt be a glorious thing for them to do unless they had an interpreter. If my client decided this is what they wanted to do I would ask if the whole guest list consisted of devout Pentecostals and would one be there to interpret. If not I would likely advise against it and if they were to insist I would ask them to acquire a DJ with better tongue knowledge than I.
 
Jon Tuck said:
and Mike it wouldnt be a glorious thing for them to do unless they had an interpreter. If my client decided this is what they wanted to do I would ask if the whole guest list consisted of devout Pentecostals and would one be there to interpret. If not I would likely advise against it and if they were to insist I would ask them to acquire a DJ with better tongue knowledge than I.
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Oh. If the client asks? Knowing what I know I would ask about interpreters. If they said that they were not necessary then I would do the event, since that is what they wanted.

Mike
 
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