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steve149 said:
And according to most sports organizations, the minute you get paid for the act of playing a sport (actual payment for play, not expense reimbursement and such), you forfeit your right to be an amateur and become a professional, solely based on the fact you were paid.
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We used to have the option when I raced motorcycles -- if you were in the top 3, you could opt to take a trophy instead of the money, if you wanted to retain your amateur status.
 
steve149 said:
And according to most sports organizations, the minute you get paid for the act of playing a sport (actual payment for play, not expense reimbursement and such), you forfeit your right to be an amateur and become a professional, solely based on the fact you were paid.
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Only if you play publicly for an organized league - which is a rule not a definition. Anyway, you've still got a very long list of exceptions and special circumstances no matter how you slice it.
 
Cesar said:
The livelihood definition is the only definition to be used to justify the term Professional. Everything else is part time professional, hobbiest professional, apprentice professional unless of course you want to believe that the first time someone paid you to DJ a event you automatically became a Professional DJ.

For those that agree getting paid for your first event did not make you a Professional DJ then when did you become one?
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You have a lot to learn.
There are plenty of people making a livelihood in unprofessional ways.
I can only presume that you are seeking some kind of credential in which to wrap yourself. If you want to call yourself professional simply because you charge a fee - so be it. However, that will not mean anything to a potential client. Professional in the eyes of a client means you have a proven track record of success and can easily demonstrate the ability to repeat it.

If you truly want to know if you are a professional - then come up with a list of professional references - key event industry people in your area and ask them to write you a reference. The real definition of what you are or are not will be in their words - not yours.
 
Proformance said:
Only if you play publicly for an organized league - which is a rule not a definition. Anyway, you've still got a very long list of exceptions and special circumstances no matter how you slice it.
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Not me .. I pretty much said if someone pays you to do something based on your knowledge and expertise, you're a professional at that. I don't recall adding any exceptions or qualifiers. I did say that there may be an "expectation" of the way you conduct yourself, but that wouldn't change the definition.

And I'm not sure how one would be "paid" to be a an actual baseball player if it weren't an organized league unless maybe a curmudgeonly neighbor paid off a bunch to "not play" or something.
 
steve149 said:
I'd like to believe that a "professional DJ" would act as one would expect a professional to act, would perform as one would expect a professional to perform and would look like one would expect a professional to look, but that does not mean I will take that as the sole definition of a "professional". While there are fields that have licensing and certification requirements to be a professional (to be paid) in that field, and because of that require a significant amount of research, study, testing , and evaluation .. leading to a given set of standards for that field, I can only reiterate that DJing DOES NOT (to the lament of some).

Acting professional and being one are not the same thing and vice-verse as demonstrated.
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LOL. Describe for us please "how a professional should look?"

That's all just a bunch of subjective nothing. Since this is a business of talent, of which image is a part, you can't simply call someone "unprofessional" because you don't approve of the way they dress, shave, manage, or present their service. That's for the clients to decide.

There are technical certifications that can be relevant to a DJ and can be added to a person's overall profile.
 
steve149 said:
Not me .. I pretty much said if someone pays you to do something based on your knowledge and expertise, you're a professional at that. I don't recall adding any exceptions or qualifiers.
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That's the point - you don't seem to have ANY meaningful definition at all. You've got boundaries that run from regularly pooping cats to anyone who accepts a dollar.

If you can't define the term for yourself then how do you expect to convey any meaning to the people who matter?
 
Proformance said:
LOL. Describe for us please "how a professional should look?" Well, they should look "professional" .. I'm thinking shorts and a t-shirt at a wedding wouldn't be a look to emulate.

That's all just a bunch of subjective nothing. Since this is a business of talent, of which image is a part, you can't simply call someone "unprofessional" because you don't approve of the way they dress, shave, manage, or present their service. That's for the clients to decide. And talent and EVERYTHING else is subjective and I agree, it wouldn't be me making that statement, it would be the client.

There are technical certifications that can be relevant to a DJ and can be added to a person's overall profile. But they don't define a professional DJ
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See blue above ..

Listen, I DON'T DISAGREE with you in most regards, there are many things that one can do to differentiate themselves from the pack .. give a client a reason to want one "professional DJ" over another "professional DJ".
 
Proformance said:
That's the point - you don't seem to have ANY meaningful definition at all. You've got boundaries that run from regularly pooping cats to anyone who accepts a dollar.

If you can't define the term for yourself then how do you expect to convey any meaning to the people who matter?
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I'll type slower ... If someone pays you as a "knowledgeable DJ with DJ expertise" to actually DJ, then you are a professional .. not sure where pooping cats come in, but I guess if you were knowledgeable about them and you offer that service and someone pays you to clean it out, you'd be a professional litter box somethinger.
 
Hank Davidson said:
How many pages of does a professional ODJT thread require?
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50,000 + 5 garbage cans in your driveway... :sqlaugh:


I would actually consider Faith (my dog) a professional frisbee player.

a) She gets paid in the form of treats when she performs.
b) She is exceptionally good at it.
c) She does it every day.
d) The neighbors and other dogs look at her in awe when she performs.

Anybody want to sponsor her? I can setup a PayPal account for donations... :)
 
I'm starting to think that the OP gets a thrill by starting a thread that really means nothing but gets people to argue about stuff.

We can argue over and over about the actual definition vs the real world definition vs our own personal definitions....and I don't think anyone is going to leave with a different view as to what a "professional" is, does, and should be making.

IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER
 
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