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Cesar said:
You keep telling yourself that.

Remember the word "Livlihood" and contemplate that.

Where did you return from?
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First off, it's livelihood, if you are going to try to make an asinine point, at least do it without butchering the English language.

And second, every single person's livelihood is different, something that EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON HERE has been trying to pound into your thick, dense, ignorant skull from the beginning of this thread.
 
The livelihood for each person is not different.

It is what you make your living from for each person.

That is what a Professional DJ does.

Why you would want to argue or debate that a DJ that does 25 events a year is as Professional as a DJ who makes his livelihood year after year is unbelievable to me.
 
Cesar said:
The livelihood for each person is not different.

It is what you make your living from for each person.

That is what a Professional DJ does.
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I don't even know why I am bothering continuing this but:

Livelihood: Noun:A means of securing the necessities of life.

So you are telling me every single person on the planet has the EXACT same necessities of life? If so, then we should ALL be eating the EXACT same food, taking the EXACT same drugs, and living in the EXACT same houses. Every single person on the planet needs the EXACT SAME thing to life their life in your eyes huh?
 
Cesar said:
The livelihood for each person is not different.

It is what you make your living from for each person.

That is what a Professional DJ does.

Why you would want to argue or debate that a DJ that does 25 events a year is as Professional as a DJ who makes his livelihood year after year is unbelievable to me.
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I don't think that is what you are saying.......THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID!!!!!!!

The bottom statement COMPLETELY contradicts your entire reason for starting this thread. If someone can get one gig a year at $50,000......and another person gets 50,000 jobs at $1, they are both professional according to you.
 
A DJ that tries to hide his true identity and makes big claims about how great his business is doing and how much more professional he is, could not possibly be as professional as the part timer who is honest about how things are going and is truly attempting to improve himself.
 
Cesar, "professional" is not a characterization you can make without some kind of context, and the money involved is not really relevant. There are career DJs who by literal definition are "professionals" yet, it does not speak directly to their conduct and whether they truly act professionally. Likewise, there are plenty of part time DJs who do very few events but manage to conduct themselves each time with very professional conduct.

By and large the money is irrelevant. DJing that is focused exclusively on one type of event (weddings) or one type of need (celebration/entertainment) comes with some very serious constraints that can't be overlooked. For one, it means the work is almost always going to develop on weekends - and mostly Saturdays. That right there dictates a part time workforce as the most efficient way to address the demand. If you were running a multi-op dedicated to this limited field of events you would specifically want to hire mostly part-time DJs since there is not enough demand to justify full time wages and benefits across the board.
 
and if you hire DJs to fill your multi op and they only make 1/3rd or less the total contracted fee and only work once or twice a week for your professional company wouldnt this negate your company as professional when they are representing you (Joaquin) Cesar? In fact wouldnt you then have to admit your PRofessional company offers amateur DJs?
 
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Cesar, "professional" is not a characterization you can make without some kind of context, and the money involved is not really relevant. There are career DJs who by literal definition are "professionals" yet, it does not speak directly to their conduct and whether they truly act professionally. Likewise, there are plenty of part time DJs who do very few events but manage to conduct themselves each time with very professional conduct.

By and large the money is irrelevant. DJing that is focused exclusively on one type of event (weddings) or one type of need (celebration/entertainment) comes with some very serious constraints that can't be overlooked. For one, it means the work is almost always going to develop on weekends - and mostly Saturdays. That right there dictates a part time workforce as the most efficient way to address the demand. If you were running a multi-op dedicated to this limited field of events you would specifically want to hire mostly part-time DJs since there is not enough demand to justify full time wages and benefits across the board.
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You reiterate that the money is irrelevant, but I stand firm with the money IS what makes a professional. There may be an expectation of certain things such as quality, knowledge and a certain business sense, but there is no scale for those and and no standard indicator of how well one does other than they are in business to make money. Part-time, full-time, livelihood or not, if you are paid to do a set of specialized tasks, you are by definition a professional.
 
Steve

Using your definition of a professional

I run a add advertising 5 hour DJ service for 100 using my administrative assistant as the DJ for the event. Is she now a Professional DJ once she is booked for a event?

Using that definition to describe a Professional is worthless. Deriving your livelihood from your DJ Business is the only definition that clearly identifies who is a Professional or not.
 
Ignore my question all you want cause I know it doesn't fit or qualify your agenda Cesar now does it. You are a joke man. I laugh at your humorous viewpoints lol. Piece of.................
 
Again Cesar .. not MY definition ... the dictionary's. If you derive your livelihood from it, you are a career or full-time DJ, no more or no less professional as some here that do it in addition to another job. In certain other fields, one needs a license to be paid in that profession, and therefore licensing determines who can legally be a professional. Not in DJing.
 
Well Mike

At least that was a humorous post instead of another DJ trying to explain that once a DJ gets paid for a DJ job he automatically becomes a professional.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
I like chicks -- but to each his own... :sqlaugh:
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I like people that don't hide behind a fake persona and claim to be professional .. oh, and women too.
 
Cesar said:
Steve

Using your definition of a professional

I run a add advertising 5 hour DJ service for 100 using my administrative assistant as the DJ for the event. Is she now a Professional DJ once she is booked for a event?

Using that definition to describe a Professional is worthless. Deriving your livelihood from your DJ Business is the only definition that clearly identifies who is a Professional or not.
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As is dictating the amount of money in your opinion a person needs to be professional
 
Well I'm dam sure not going to agree like the most of you that $1,000 a year makes you a Professional

Well I'm dam sure not going to agree like the most of you that $2,000 a year makes you a Professional.

Well I'm dam sure not going to say the DJ charging $1,000 for a Wedding Reception but only does it 25 times a year is a professional like the most of you will say he is.

I like my $50,000 a year done more then a few times as a gauge of a true Professional DJ that derives his livelihood from his chosen profession as a DJ.

Hey if you want to compare yourself to the DJ that did a event and his friends chipped in to pay him making him a Professional DJ by your definition, Have at it.
 
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