Is it still a $50K buy-in for professional insulting?I could pay you to insult someone.
How much money?
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And here I was beginning to doubt your intelligence.
I really lost all hope about 6 pages ago, when everyone continued to feed this stupid thread.
Hell no! I'm still in this for the long haul xf
The more people see my ads, the better IHMO. And people like drama.
Well, then what is your point?
Customers already have a working definition of professional that they utilize in each transaction - so how is it that you the DJ can't seem to come up with one that isn't all over the map?
To this end I would give Cesar credit for starting the thread - despite his own lack of good sense about what the definition of professional means in the marketplace - it is very clear that there are few others who have a good grasp of it themselves.
Send me any ten DJs to interview and I could easily evaluate who is professional enough to survive long term at the career level and who is not - this without ever having seen them perform. To do so requires a working definition of what it is to be professional in this marketplace. It ain't rocket science.
Up until the end here, there was an intermixing of personal opinion and fact. Customers have a working definition of what it means "to be" a professional, which may or may not describe someone "who is" a professional. We just need to separate what the market or anyone here uses to describe a professional (opinion) from what defines one. Grey and thin though that line may be.
Aw hell...I'm just posting this because I can and there has been 8 pages of dribble on this thread.
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That can be interpreted differently Bob...
As you can see, even the people on this board can't agree on a "standard definition". As for customers, you have billions of people out there -- half of them can't even spell the word, let alone come to a conclusion on what a "professional" is.
The LCD in almost every dictionary or encyclopedia I've read -- is you get paid for doing something. Some offer other qualifications such as "being an expert in your field of endeavor", or some crap to that extent. So, logically speaking, since they all differ in some way but one, the lowest common denominator is you get paid.
It isn't logical at all. How much or how often? In what form must payment be made? If these values do not matter then all like-kind exchanges or any form of payment whose net book value is $0 poses a contradiction. So, "logically speaking" money can not be the working part of the definition - It simply associates the term with commerce.
Few (if any) lay people would agree with your definition since they regularly pay nonprofessionals for all kinds of things.
If everyone is a professional - then no one is.
I don't know of a situation that I paid someone based on their expertise of a task that I did not consider a professional, whether that was landscaping, construction, painting, catering, roofing, or driveway replacement. What tasks would you pay a nonprofessional to specifically do for you?
What is it that is directing you to make this so blurry?
You are now essentially saying that you can be a professional even when the marketplace/customers clearly indicate something contrary and vice versa?
The marketplace is the only place where you can be a professional - money provides only the context - it is not the defining factor.
Lanscaping, construction, painting, catering, roofing, and driveway replacement.
I paid my son to mow his grandmother's lawn.
I paid myself to do plumbing, electrical, and construction.
I paid my daughter to paint the pool house.
I paid a friend to cater a party.
I paid a relative to help me with a new roof.
I'm still debating what to do about the driveway.
Either my son, or I as the supervisor - had the requisite expertise to mow that lawn. Yet, neither of us is a professional landscaper. We just do a professional looking job.
Bob - you're swirling around and around on this .. I answered it above .. the payment for the services IS the defining factor (my definition, Webster's and Wikipedia's). I don't call myself a professional DJ for that reason, though I do act and perform according to what the market expects a baseline professional to.
Acting professional and "being a professional" are 2 different things. One can "be a professional" (paid to be a DJ for example) and not act it, and one can act professionally and not be one (we have many amateurs here as well), but the market is always on the lookout for those that do both.
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