Okay Jon um how do i say this lightly
Putting anything Behringer against anything Dynacord would be like comparing a Yugo to well um a Bentley Phantom....
Maybe gemsound makes an amp we could compare the behringer too?
New Behringer Iron...
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Okay Jon um how do i say this lightly
Putting anything Behringer against anything Dynacord would be like comparing a Yugo to well um a Bentley Phantom....
Maybe gemsound makes an amp we could compare the behringer too?
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The best way to verify that is to buy one of each and do a tear down and verify!
I may be right I may be wrong! But one thing is for sure.......only you can prove me wrong!
I may be right I may be wrong! But one thing is for sure.......only you can prove me wrong!
If there is a candidate in QSCs line that is being made alongside Behringer or in china, it is the RMX line. The PLX is the lightweight that I dont think Behringer has a clone of. The EP series however is a direct clone of the RMX series. QSC already confirmed that they dont make the RMX line in Cali:
http://media.qscaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=9768
http://media.qscaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=9768
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In the post I quoted above from the QSC forums, all QSC says is that the RMX is made for them in a factory in China along with the ISA amps. With just 2 product lines to be manufactured, I doubt QSC has opened a " QSC Only" amp factory. It is being OEM'ed by someone.
However, Behringer owns, runs, and makes ALL thiere stuff in china. So it is feasible to have a JUST BEHRINGER factory. A factory that they have complete control off. And it is actually quite impressive. The sheer scale of the Behringer Factory so big that all the workers live on site.
YouTube - Audiotechnology Magazine presents Behringer Factory
As weird as it may sound, who is making what for who? You be the judge.
However, Behringer owns, runs, and makes ALL thiere stuff in china. So it is feasible to have a JUST BEHRINGER factory. A factory that they have complete control off. And it is actually quite impressive. The sheer scale of the Behringer Factory so big that all the workers live on site.
YouTube - Audiotechnology Magazine presents Behringer Factory
As weird as it may sound, who is making what for who? You be the judge.
While they may appear similar (a frequent characteristic of cheap, lower quality copies is to design the garbage to look and appear at a glance like the better stuff), they are NOT IDENTICAL. The power supply, the boards, many components are visibly different.
Am I shocked that a company like Behringer would try and copy the appearance of better gear and create confusion at the gullible consumer level...Not even slightly. I would be surprised if they didn't. They have a track record of such behavior. Some of their other track records are equally as deceitful and embarrassing.
My experience with Behringer gear has never been positive. They make cheap, they deliver cheap, they are cheap...and I don't mean inexpensive.
If others have a different experience, I applaud your good fortune.
Rock On!
P.S. THANK YOU eezee. That was very timely and helpful.
You see, others can do it to. Specifically, in this case the facts do it.thunder said:
Am I shocked that a company like Behringer would try and copy the appearance of better gear and create confusion at the gullible consumer level...Not even slightly. I would be surprised if they didn't. They have a track record of such behavior. Some of their other track records are equally as deceitful and embarrassing.
My experience with Behringer gear has never been positive. They make cheap, they deliver cheap, they are cheap...and I don't mean inexpensive.
If others have a different experience, I applaud your good fortune.
Rock On!
P.S. THANK YOU eezee. That was very timely and helpful.
Thunder -
Making a statement as fact of something unverified is libel, and a dangerous one to make considering QSC greatly values and protects their brand,and even moreso when you consider that Dynacord is owned by Bosch who employs greater than 3,000 attorneys. Information is very readily available to verify that you are in fact wrong. Before making this statement, why didn't YOU open the amps and verify your facts.
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Making a statement as fact of something unverified is libel, and a dangerous one to make considering QSC greatly values and protects their brand,and even moreso when you consider that Dynacord is owned by Bosch who employs greater than 3,000 attorneys. Information is very readily available to verify that you are in fact wrong. Before making this statement, why didn't YOU open the amps and verify your facts.
Ben
Thank you Ben. I was going to type a very similar message but Thunder would not value my advice. I hope he heeds yours.
It is impossible to verify "facts" when they are inaccurate.
The intent, I suspect, was merely to annoy me. Strike 1000!
Right you are Ben.
Steve - I am not exactly sure what your motives are here. Ask any Dynacord owner on this board what thier experience has been with thier gear.
Jon Tuck, qdupsounds, hiredpower, etc. will all be happy to tell you what they think.
Don't hate the playa...hate the game.
So, they overcharge for basically the same stuff, so they can pay all these lawyers...?
BTW, have I mentioned I love my Behringer gear?
I've only bought their stuff recently (not back when they apparently had a rep problem), and so far, everything has worked great
Mind you, I can pretty much afford to buy whoever's gear I want, so I've pretty much been buying their stuff because of the features, although the prices are nice too...
Also, I forgot to mention... PLX is made in the US. I have personally seen the assembly line.
So, without being contentious, and taking all the brands out of the equation... Steve, what exactly are you hoping to accomplish here?
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So, without being contentious, and taking all the brands out of the equation... Steve, what exactly are you hoping to accomplish here?
Ben
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Ben,
First off you need to learn what Libel and supposition is. So they have 3000 lawyers, send them my post and tell them to bring it on!
You can also send it to Crown, Peavey, QSC and Behringer as well.
It could be fun!
Michael,
If I am not mistaken you are the one who told me ALL EV amps were made by DYNACORD and then recanted, when I pointed out that the FACTS said different!
If DYNACORD is not using the same componets in their amps that other amp manufacturers are using and if they are using completely different circuit boards (one of a kind) then please feel free to correct me on the subject.
As far as the PLX and RMX difference that was purely a typo on my part, as no harm was intended no harm was caused (feel free to look that one up in the law library or just ask your 3,000 lawyers)
First off you need to learn what Libel and supposition is. So they have 3000 lawyers, send them my post and tell them to bring it on!
You can also send it to Crown, Peavey, QSC and Behringer as well.
It could be fun!
Michael,
If I am not mistaken you are the one who told me ALL EV amps were made by DYNACORD and then recanted, when I pointed out that the FACTS said different!
If DYNACORD is not using the same componets in their amps that other amp manufacturers are using and if they are using completely different circuit boards (one of a kind) then please feel free to correct me on the subject.
As far as the PLX and RMX difference that was purely a typo on my part, as no harm was intended no harm was caused (feel free to look that one up in the law library or just ask your 3,000 lawyers)
Ben,
First off you need to learn what Libel and supposition is. So they have 3000 lawyers, send them my post and tell them to bring it on!
You can also send it to Crown, Peavey, QSC and Behringer as well.
It could be fun!
Michael,
If I am not mistaken you are the one who told me ALL EV amps were made by DYNACORD and then recanted, when I pointed out that the FACTS said different!
If DYNACORD is not using the same componets in their amps that other amp manufacturers are using and if they are using completely different circuit boards (one of a kind) then please feel free to correct me on the subject.
As far as the PLX and RMX difference that was purely a typo on my part, as no harm was intended no harm was caused (feel free to look that one up in the law library or just ask your 3,000 lawyers)
What do you call that line of defense, Swiss Cheese?
Michael,
If I am not mistaken you are the one who told me ALL EV amps were made by DYNACORD and then recanted, when I pointed out that the FACTS said different!
If DYNACORD is not using the same componets in their amps that other amp manufacturers are using and if they are using completely different circuit boards (one of a kind) then please feel free to correct me on the subject.
Steve - I just don't know how much clearer I can be. The fact remains that ALL EV amps are made by Dynacord. While this has not been true for the entire 82 years of EV's history - it has been that way for a period of about 10 years as it remains today. I should have been more specific in our previous discussion and said all CURRENT EV amp models are made by Dynacord.
I will be happy to correct you on the circuit boards being unique - is there a particular model you'd like to see a picture of?
I am not here to knock any other manufacturer...and I never have. If you don't think my products are worth the extra money, don't buy 'em. If they are out of your budget...don't buy 'em. As I said before, there are plenty of folks here who can attest to the quality of the products I represent...don't take my word for it...ask them.
Sorry for the derailment but it seems like EV, Yorkville, RCF and FBT are the only speakers left on the market without all the Chinese B/S inside of it.
It made me happy to take apart a set of Yorkville NX 750's to find Made in Italy stamped on the back of the 15" drivers.
It made me happy to take apart a set of Yorkville NX 750's to find Made in Italy stamped on the back of the 15" drivers.
Just for S&G, and since Bosch doesn't advert here...
(don't mind me, just playing Devil's Advocate to learn more).
Can we see close ups of the circuit boards, wiring, etc., for two comparable products...? Please don't be subjective when I say two comparable products -- you get my drift.
(don't mind me, just playing Devil's Advocate to learn more).
Can we see close ups of the circuit boards, wiring, etc., for two comparable products...? Please don't be subjective when I say two comparable products -- you get my drift.
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