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Esoteric said:
That was my question as well. Two fully qualified DJ's could then do two events on the same night and bring in more money.

Mike
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It's not about the money...never was and never has been about the money. The team approach is another feature that makes our company unique. The J Mac and I work together towards making the event successful and people appreciate it.
 
DJ Ducky said:
Mike, I realize that you're not a DJ (lighting designer, right?), so I'll explain the listening part to you. This has nothing to do with what's on the display. Listening to the beginning of the song (assuming that I am going to start the song from the very beginning) assures me that I have the correct version of the song loaded. I do this regardless of what machine I am using, as long as I'm working with 2 faders, of course. This also helps me determine how to work the crossfader from the song that is playing to the one I am cueing up. And as Joe explained, so many of these steps flow into one and are so second nature, that it's not much time spent at all.
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I am a lighting designer by profession, but I am also a sound engineer (but no, I am not a DJ) by trade. I know why you solo a channel when using a CD, I do the same thing. But I do it because I can not see a track title. When I am using an iPod or a PC it depends on if it is my iPod or PC. If it is my library, then I do not solo the channel because I have done work on the front end and know everything lines up. If it is someone else's then I do.

I am not a DJ, but I am not stupid.

Mike
 
Esoteric said:
I am a lighting designer by profession, but I am also a sound engineer (but no, I am not a DJ) by trade. I know why you solo a channel when using a CD, I do the same thing. But I do it because I can not see a track title. When I am using an iPod or a PC it depends on if it is my iPod or PC. If it is my library, then I do not solo the channel because I have done work on the front end and know everything lines up. If it is someone else's then I do.

I am not a DJ, but I am not stupid.

Mike
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I'm not calling you stupid, just pointing out that you may not fully understand the thought work that goes on behind the board. :)
 
Scott Hanna said:
could not agree more. Djing is much, much more than just hitting buttons or typing.

However, getting media into a player is a task that has to be done. I, and every DJ I can recall that i've talked to that has switched to computers, have found that task to be much quicker and easier since switching to computers. I am not shocked when I see that the only DJs that are not convinced it's much faster and easier are the ones that haven't switched yet. Having said that, there is NOTHING wrong at all with someone simply feeling more comfortable using cd players.
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I just want you to know that some of my best friends are PC users......:sqcool::sqlaugh:
 
For the record, there are cd players that will display the track title, album title, artist, etc.
 
DJ Ducky said:
Regardless, none of this discussion has to do with my original post. I've decided to stick with CDs and the occasional vinyl session for the sake of not being the average DJ. You can call it spite, call it fighting change or progress, call it being old-school; I call it having fun and being comfortable behind the board. Yes, CDs might someday be replaced with all-digital formats and songs may never again be released on vinyl. When that time comes, I'll roll with it. In the meantime, I'll keep bringing in my CD collection to events and let people be impressed. :)
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I call it using what you are happy with and using what helps make you the best DJ you can be. Good for you.
 
DJ J Mac said:
For the record, there are cd players that will display the track title, album title, artist, etc.
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Not having used cd players in years, i did not know that. I thought it had to be an mp3 cd player to display that...because of the tag information. I was not aware that audio cd's were putting the tag information on there...are they?
 
For the record, I would like to point out that I(as well as most PCers) never said that every DJ should use a computer. I don't think that's true. I simply said that the computer has given ME many advantages over the way i used to do it with cd's and I certainly encourage anyone thinking about it to try it, but it is not for everybody. Just as cd dj's could have problems if they don't take the time to put cd's away properly and it the right place, pc dj's could have problems if they don't take the time to tag things properly and organize their library to take advantage of the software's abilities.
 
Scott Hanna said:
Not having used cd players in years, i did not know that. I thought it had to be an mp3 cd player to display that...because of the tag information. I was not aware that audio cd's were putting the tag information on there...are they?
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A lot of the higher end models will display the tags. You figure that the tags must already be on the cds because you can put a cd (especially newer ones) into a computer and the program is able to tell you the artist, track listing, etc.
 
DJ J Mac said:
A lot of the higher end models will display the tags. You figure that the tags must already be on the cds because you can put a cd (especially newer ones) into a computer and the program is able to tell you the artist, track listing, etc.
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I was under the impression that when you put a cd into a computer, it get the artist and track info from the internet, not from tag info on the cd. I could be wrong though.
 
Esoteric said:
1) I just can't see how it is physically possible for a CD user to be faster than a PC user in an equal contest. If the contest is rigged then it is possible, although I would say that a tie would be the best outcome a CD dj would be able to hope for (for example if a CD DJ is allowed to line up his CD's ahead of time.....



2) Also, I am not talking about instinct.


3) Wow, I thought maybe I had found a really cool Karaoke forum, is this one of those places where everyone sits around waiting for a newbie to need some help, and then act like jerks???

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4) To say that speed is a good reason to use PC's is a legitimate reason to someone thinking about the switch. There is no way in an equal contest that a CD user can be faster than a PC user.

. 5) The problem comes when someone asks for opinions based on what you use. In order to make your point you tend to talk badly about the other medium. Both sides are guilty of this. There is no live and let live on either side. The CD side points out the lack of sound quality in PC's and the PC users point out how slow CD's are.
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Mike
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1) Holy mother of..... You DIDN"T read the contest description! Give it a shot....


2) It's not instinct. It's muscle memory and knowledge of your library.

You have stated that you are not a DJ. Therefore, there are things about it that you don't and can't understand. This is one of them. This knowledge ONLY comes from years of experience.

3) No, as previously mentioned on that other forum, not normally. ESPECIALLY not normally for me. Others will attest to this. Please read through the forum to find out how rare this really is.

However, I would also add, since I'm the one that invited you here, that sometimes it's best to lay back from a debate until you know the players.

Despite all the heat you see being thrown around here, we all have a great and mutual respect for each other. I even have great respect for that New York bum. If you have software questions, he's a "go to" guy!

This will die down soon enough. Peruse the rest of the forum, and come on back....


4) Proven incorrect.


5) Not quite right. Comments from CD users are usually REACTIONS to PC users' comments. On the other hand, PC users seem to feel comfortable jumping into any thread and pushing their media without being asked, or without it being germaine to the thread.
 
Scott Hanna said:
I was under the impression that when you put a cd into a computer, it get the artist and track info from the internet, not from tag info on the cd. I could be wrong though.
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Especially Kenwood cd players for your car are good about showing the titles and such, and unless you've got that onstar type stuff, there's no way for a car to get the internet.
 
Scott Hanna said:
Not having used cd players in years, i did not know that. I thought it had to be an mp3 cd player to display that...because of the tag information. I was not aware that audio cd's were putting the tag information on there...are they?
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Depends on the manufacturer ( AND the age of the CD), but now, in most cases, yes. Of course, the easiest way to tell is to slip one of your discs into your PC while running your music program. In many, but not all cases, the tags show up.

However, I've found some discrepancies, even with MP3s. Napster won't read iTunes tags, for instance...
 
JoeChartreuse said:
1) Holy mother of..... You DIDN"T read the contest description! Give it a shot....


2) It's not instinct. It's muscle memory and knowledge of your library.

You have stated that you are not a DJ. Therefore, there are things about it that you don't and can't understand. This is one of them. This knowledge ONLY comes from years of experience.

3) No, as previously mentioned on that other forum, not normally. ESPECIALLY not normally for me. Others will attest to this. Please read through the forum to find out how rare this really is.

However, I would also add, since I'm the one that invited you here, that sometimes it's best to lay back from a debate until you know the players.

Despite all the heat you see being thrown around here, we all have a great and mutual respect for each other. I even have great respect for that New York bum. If you have software questions, he's a "go to" guy!

This will die down soon enough. Peruse the rest of the forum, and come on back....


4) Proven incorrect.


5) Not quite right. Comments from CD users are usually REACTIONS to PC users' comments. On the other hand, PC users seem to feel comfortable jumping into any thread and pushing their media without being asked, or without it being germaine to the thread.
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I read the contest description. It was a rigged contest. That is why I put that clarification in the points.

As I said, if a CD DJ gets to line up his CD's in the contest, then the PC DJ gets to make a playlist of the songs ahead of time. I don't see how you can beat a 0 second cue time.

Mike
 
DJ J Mac said:
A lot of the higher end models will display the tags. You figure that the tags must already be on the cds because you can put a cd (especially newer ones) into a computer and the program is able to tell you the artist, track listing, etc.
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How higher end are we talking about? What would a price tag be on a model now that displays tags?

Mike
 
DJ Ducky said:
I'm not calling you stupid, just pointing out that you may not fully understand the thought work that goes on behind the board. :)
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Sorry, used the wrong word. But I can assure you I understand what goes on behind the board.

Mike
 
You have stated that you are not a DJ. Therefore, there are things about it that you don't and can't understand. This is one of them. This knowledge ONLY comes from years of experience.

I beg to differ. In every industry even mine there are nuances that comes with the gig. The fact that you do these things without thinking (automatically, muscle memory, instinct, whatever you want to call it) doesn't mean they don't have to be done.

Just as I call out channel or unit numbers by the same instinct (I do it without looking or thinking), it still takes me a certain amount of time to actually say the channel numbers.

It is a false dichotomy, even if something is instinct it still takes a certain amount of time to do.

Mike
 
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