What Will You Do When.....

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Proformance

Mac Daddy DJ
Nov 6, 2006
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...Your music is no longer needed at private events?

Forget about any royalties, or subscriber contract issues - and just consider this scenario:

Your most frequented function hall rennovates their facility and incldues built in A/V support that even includes simplified support for bands and DJs. Because of this, the bulk of wedding clients start using their iPods/computers and the simple but excellent onsite audio support to host their own weddings.

The function hall manager approaches you about providing some type of hosting or emcee service for these self-service couples who are still interested in having someone act as "announcer" or "crowd motivator" despite the fact that gear and music are no longer required.

What kind of plan do you see being worthwhile?

Do you think there is any commercial room for non-celebrity "personality" services in a future where the gear and music may be irrelevant?

I'm asking because I can see a couple of trends developing and this could actually become a reality in some form or another in the years ahead.

Note that a Napster subscriber has unlimited play access to the entire online catalog. They need not "buy" or burn anything in order to run a playlist. Thus, it wouldn't matter how much music a Bride "owns" as long as she has internet access.

Second, much like the home theater and automation trends - a lot of new venues and renovated facilities are including very sophisticated Audio/Visual support in their designs.

I lost one of my best corporate customers shortly after the rennovation of what is now Gillette Stadium (Patriots Home).

When the new stadium first began booking private events one of my A/V clients signed a ten year contract to move his tradeshows and vendor banquets to the stadium. We did some of the very first events during the first two weeks after the stadium began catering private events.

At the time, the broadcast people and the catering department didn't work and play well together. The entire facility is wired for Audio/Video and networking. No matter where you stand - there is always at least one or two large screen TVs looking back at you. Problem is - they wouldn't allow you to make use of any of it.

It was obvious that sooner or later the stadium management would wake up and realize there was no need to have outside people like me coming in to do the audio/visual when they were perfectly prepared to sell it themselves.

Now, as you watch some older wedding venues in your area get torn down and rebuilt, or renovated with the latest in hi-tech support - how will you adapt to the possibility that the only thing of interest in your DJ service is YOU and your mic ?
 
I as a DJ will find my way but only on the odd occasion would I consider the mic work. Though a professional with a Mic I would not do well without knowing the list in advance and of course with the dance floor suddenly dying cause of poor song selection in most cases I will be be considered the one who failed the majority. Decreasing the opportunity for enhancing my referral base.I suppose with some form of being able to adapt I could possibly do more if I have a part in the playlist organization.
 
This scenario could be applied to all sorts of businesses affected by technology, but consider this....

Processed food came out years ago and there are still chefs aplenty.

I agree that some venues will be taking this approach soon, but these are not my venues. Big function facilities and hotel ballrooms will be the most likely candidates for such changes. My targets are more eclectic.

That being said, I would never MC a "recorded music" event without my own library and source. I might plug into a built in audio system, but that's it. Acting as MC during a "band" event is completely different. I'm fully equipped to wear that hat.

The need for our services (as are) will never be completely phased out. Reduced perhaps, but not erased.
 
Thanks Hank for breaking my code exactly my thoughts. Though I will still be playing the posh joints as well.
 
I'm gonna assume the code for your two is: "when they pry the sliders from my cold dead hands."

Let me make it less restrictive and say that while the music selections are all theirs - you do have the ability to shuffle them around however you'd like or offer suggestions. That is, I would assume you are part of the party - not just an Ed McMahon.
 
Great thread!!!

After just completing the MC course from Mark Ferrell, listening to a seminar by Drax, and seeing (after eyes opened and looking for it), I must agree with your synopsis of the, or a, possible "future" for halls and dj's.

Music playback and equipment is becoming less of a factor in deciding "who's who" for weddings. Like it or not, the reality is that we all do pretty much "push play" the same. It's what else that is done, and how it is done that is the difference.

Diversity in talent will be the future for a successful operation.

Therefore, I have decided to attend college classes for acting, speech, and comedy. Looking at different Toastmaster associations in the area. Also considering looking into becoming a certified wedding planner. Looking for other options, but these are the basics for now.

Can it be profitable??? Hell yes. Remember... $10,000 a pop for "lets get ready to rumble!"

IMO this is going to be the line of division. It isn't going to be all "fun" and "look at the dj mix it up". With computers, anyone with a little time can learn to mix and key change matching.

Mic skills... That is where it is at. Public speaking for many is a fate worse than death.

What do you have in line Bob? Any other directions or thoughts for the fire???
 
Great thread!!!

After just completing the MC course from Mark Ferrell, listening to a seminar by Drax, and seeing (after eyes opened and looking for it), I must agree with your synopsis of the, or a, possible "future" for halls and dj's.

Music playback and equipment is becoming less of a factor in deciding "who's who" for weddings. Like it or not, the reality is that we all do pretty much "push play" the same. It's what else that is done, and how it is done that is the difference.

Diversity in talent will be the future for a successful operation.

Therefore, I have decided to attend college classes for acting, speech, and comedy. Looking at different Toastmaster associations in the area. Also considering looking into becoming a certified wedding planner. Looking for other options, but these are the basics for now.

Can it be profitable??? Hell yes. Remember... $10,000 a pop for "lets get ready to rumble!"

IMO this is going to be the line of division. It isn't going to be all "fun" and "look at the dj mix it up". With computers, anyone with a little time can learn to mix and key change matching.

Mic skills... That is where it is at. Public speaking for many is a fate worse than death.

What do you have in line Bob? Any other directions or thoughts for the fire???


Bingo! You hit the nail on the head!

That's what I've been saying all along. The future for wedding DJs revolves around your public speaking skills. Emceeing, planning, organizing, adding class to someone's event by being able to have speaking & Emcee skills as a professional, and offering personalized service that separates you from the Ipod DJs, bedroom DJs, or venues that have their own sound system & busboy/DJ or other "DJ in a box" type of characters.

I too, am looking into joining a local Toastmasters organization & other ways to improve my public speaking skills.

These days, everyone claims to be a DJ, that's fine, but what can you offer that separates you from the pack?
 
I have decided to attend college classes for acting, speech, and comedy. Looking at different Toastmaster associations in the area. Also considering looking into becoming a certified wedding planner.

That's essentailly the morphology that's out there in the seminar circuit.

My public speaking skills are quite good. The comedy isn't so bad either, I'm a convincing actor, and I have plenty of event planning experience. Emcee could fit me just fine. Trouble is - it's not what I want to do.

My other concern is that I see a very limited potential.

Consider the $10,000 for that "Let's get ready to rumble":
The price tag on that comes largely from it's broadcast fame - and not really the unique talent of the mouth it rolled out of. The price is begotten by celebrity, and celebrity is begotten by exposure.

A mobile DJ simply isn't going to achieve that kind of exposure. So is there likely to be an attrcative income for the DJ turned non-celebrity emcee?

Suppose my cousin is getting married - why should she bother to hire an emcee if she already has me and my charming relatives on her guest list? Surely we could host a wonderful and personal day without the need for a Merry wedding emcee?

I tend to think that the high end clientelle will acquire a real celebrity (albeit local) when and where this service seems desirable.

Under the conditions cited, I envision the emcee fashioned DJ gradually slipping back down the scale into the VFW post where broader services are likley to remain in greater need for a much longer period of time.
 
These days, everyone claims to be a DJ, that's fine, but what can you offer that separates you from the pack?

That's true.

There are plenty of successful DJs - each having a unique quality that cuts out their piece of success.

Some are accomplished dancers, others hold an MBA, and some just plain know music and how to groove people.

The only part of a knife that needs to be sharp is the edge. If the edge is sharp the remainder of the tool will follow regardless of it's shape, size or quality.

Do you know what your underlying best talent is? What is the edge on your knife, and will it survive if/when the manner in which events are supported changes?
 
Should the aforementioned scenario occur, the answer is simple: Get into install support and maintenance. That's where the money is gonna be, my friends.

No matter how automated things may become, there will always be a need for maintenance and support. The more automated you make it, the more support and maintenance it will require. :)

Thoughts?
 
Pro, despite our debate inthe iPOD thread, in my case it IS me that my clients hire me for, not the equipment. Please read my post in the "What Makes Your Show Special" thread in the Karaoke House to see why. The same applies to my straight DJ and mixed private events.

That being said, I do over 250 bar shows per year, and make plenty of money that way. I have gained some local celebrity status that way, and it's truly what I love. It also makes me enough guarenteed income that private event money can be used any way I want, but it's not a neccesity.

Unfortunately, I see the trends you are speaking of coming to pass in the very near very future. My direct answer to your question is, with conditions as stated, I would stick with bar shows, which- at least with karaoke- I believe will be around much longer. I have the M.C. skills and love using them, but it is the totality of all the requirements needed to be a DJ/Karaoke Host that makes me happy to do what I do.

BTW- This is another reason that I think ALL DJs should work at least one night per week in a bar, along with the fact that it's free advertising that you even get paid for....
 
You know folks, this thread gives me a chance to reminisce and give thanks to my old radio dj days. As an announcer and working in conjunction with the promotions department, I was given the chance to get out in front of crowds and hone my public speaking skills early on. I'll adapt to the market changes be what they may.

As an engineer working in both radio and television all my life, I have aquired the skills and knowledge needed to do maintenance on many different types of equipment, as Wolfie mentioned in his post. Again, I adapted.

Taking the skills I learned as a major market radio DJ, the skills I learned about voice over post production in the studio, skills I gained while working in community theatre as a tech, skills I have aquired in 20+ years in television broadcasting, television news and television engineering, and skills aquired as a multi-media technician for a major University, I am thankful to be able to adapt to the type of situation Proformance described, if it ever became the norm.

This is a very thought provoking thread - Kudo's to Proformance for posting it and making all of us think outside the box and toward the future.
 
... BTW- This is another reason that I think ALL DJs should work at least one night per week in a bar, along with the fact that it's free advertising that you even get paid for....

Joe, I do hope you won't require old Wolfie to go back to the bars. :eek:

:)
 
Hey... if we're gonna go out drinkin', Shirl will wanna be with us. :D

Life is good. :)
 
Thei GIFT

Bingo!
:sqwink:These days, everyone claims to be a DJ, that's fine, but what can you offer that separates you from the pack?
The Gift will seperate as it has for a whole career. Little Wager on an accurate number for a room full of DJs and how many have the GIFT!!!
 
I can truly see this coming to many halls and banquet facilities. It is starting around here.

One major caveat for the "halls" is being able to stay fresh with their production. While I can see this having an effect on the "lower end" of the budget spectrum, and maybe sucking up some middle ground, I doubt it will take much of the high end clients.

In the "high end" arena, much of the word on the street from my area is they don't want the same show as their sister, cousin, aunt or BFF. They want an event designed around their wishes. Much of this creativity is directly induced into the event itself by the dj and upscale lighting in the room. I really don't think a hall is going to be able to provide this.

Provide a canned event at a discounted rate... yes.

Provide a truly personalized event? No. They won't take the time, nor have the experience necessary.

Proformance,

Good thoughts on the status of the "celebrity" and "name" recognition vs who I am. Interesting, and one I will ponder.

My initial thought is how many celebs do you really think are going to lower themselves to introducing "Bob and Suzie Smith"?? Even locals with real name recognition I think would be scarce. Kind of like the Hollywood squares for the ego. Still...

Joe,

Good idea on getting your name out there with bars. More name recognition and local "status". I like that thought. (btw: you did change my opinion on that a while back.)

This will come. No doubt. I feel this will have much greater impact to dj's and our "industry" than the stupid ipod will.

This job is not going to be as easy once was. No longer are we going to be able to just step in and be "average". It isn't going to be as much fun. We are going to have to know our stuff, and be damn good at it.

Talent IS going to be the deciding factor. In a way, we are going to need to be celebrities ourselves. At least locally.
 
Bob : Although there's been little facility movement in this region toward your observation, there has been a growing number of client decisions to go that route (the I-Pod generation).

While the mobile DJ community seems overwhelmingly fearful or chooses to ignore this trend, developing a business plan to diversify and profit from all three facets (equipment rental, basic MC, and mobile DJ) does allow for business success no matter which way the market turns.

Though not specifically promoting my product line, the simplicity in using the system makes for ideal rental to the DIYers even if on brand name alone with an roi that is very profitable. This has been the direction of choice in addressing my forthcoming retirement planning.