I'm actually surprised they listed the amp wattage. I thought that was top secret in Boseworld.
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I'm actually surprised they listed the amp wattage. I thought that was top secret in Boseworld.
No because I have never used any mics like those. I have only used handheld mics.
Can I please ask this question? What are the speakers you brought to DJ with and why?
Myself I bought a pair of QSC K12.2 speakers because I knew of the quality speakers they are. I know at least 2 other DJs who own those speakers and they sound great. Those speakers might have some nice weight to them but they didn't use cheap plastic boxes to house the components in. They used heavy duty plastic and that's why they weigh as much as they do.
I could have bought speakers costing less money to get by with. That's not what I wanted. I didn't want speakers that would be OK. I wanted speakers that I would be proud to own. I looked at it this way. What if I was in a room where I need some serious volume for an event. I didn't want a pair of speakers that I wasn't sure if they could handle the extra volume needed for a particular room. So basically I don't have to worry about if I push those speakers at a high volume damaging the speakers. In order words I wanted a contender, not a pretender.
Myself I bought a pair of QSC K12.2 speakers because I knew of the quality speakers they are. I know at least 2 other DJs who own those speakers and they sound great. Those speakers might have some nice weight to them but they didn't use cheap plastic boxes to house the components in. They used heavy duty plastic and that's why they weigh as much as they do.
I could have bought speakers costing less money to get by with. That's not what I wanted. I didn't want speakers that would be OK. I wanted speakers that I would be proud to own. I looked at it this way. What if I was in a room where I need some serious volume for an event. I didn't want a pair of speakers that I wasn't sure if they could handle the extra volume needed for a particular room. So basically I don't have to worry about if I push those speakers at a high volume damaging the speakers. In order words I wanted a contender, not a pretender.
I have different speakers for different applications, there is no one size fits all solution, Outside need a different speaker than inside, each different room might have certain type of speaker that will fit that application
I have consistently used 15" 2-way speakers because it precludes the need for subwoofers. With smaller spaces and crowds I'm happy to use my EV Evolve 50s given that type of product is now widely available at decent prices.
I'm all about efficiency and to bring extra speakers or subs to make up for the shortcomings of some other speaker choice is just wasteful of my time and energy. I do plenty of events where I need 4, 6, or more speakers - but, those are not DJ gigs. It's just not that hard to get good sound on a dance floor from pre-recorded music. I don't needlessly try to complicate DJ gigs.
Specs are nothing more than an oversimplified summary of performance. The important issue is that you like them for your application. The Pro32 is a very different animal acoustically than most other stick speakers. This is because the array goes almost to the ground. This creates a ground reflection that, in effect, doubles the length of the array. We will be covering that. Most other stick arrays are between 0.5-1 meter in length.
As installation products go, Bose has some very clever design tricks, but when pitching sales to mobile applications they tend to remain similarly presumptive of a singular environmental condition even when the obvious is conspicuously right in front of the sales persons eyes. This is why I stay away from Bose products for mobile applications, and likely the reason I see so many DJs doubling or supplementing a Bose system with more speakers. For the DJs who don't realize what's happening - they are confused when they love the sound in one location only to find it lacking in the next.
The floor isn't going to travel with the PA. One day the floor is hardwood, another concrete. The next will be carpet, or 4 feet below the stage, etc. This often unspoken dependency on architectural proximity of the products performance goes all the way back to the 901 speaker line that needed to have a solid wall within a specified number of inches BEHIND it to accurately produce meaningful bass response. I found it disingenuous over the years when Bose sales reps would highlight these features for obvious benefit when pitching installations, but would not speak of them at all and continue to recommend the product in circumstances where performance would seriously suffer for lack of these architectural dependencies.
I thought you stayed away from them because they cost thousands of dollars to repair?
Wasn’t it you that said,” It's a $1,000+ bill every time these things go back for repair.“?
You are the only person I know who lets someone charge you 4+ times what they charge everyone else
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In your own twisted way you've just acknowledged that Bose speakers need frequent repairs.I thought you stayed away from them because they cost thousands of dollars to repair?
Wasn’t it you that said,” It's a $1,000+ bill every time these things go back for repair.“?
You are the only person I know who lets someone charge you 4+ times what they charge everyone else
Nice work Sherlock.
I've only owned a single L1 system. It never needed any repair and I abused that thing pretty hard. I will say thought that the EV Evolve 50m has a much better tone than any of the Bose systems I've heard.
. Me pointing out your BS meansthey need frequent repairs.
That’s a reach even for you.
Now you want people to believe they need frequent repairs…at $1000+ each time
…. For an $1800 unit. So you are saying people you know or do business with are really that stupid. 1 repair in 19 years after someone spilled a drink on it. It was way less than the “$1000+ each time” you claim. And it’s only $250 today. You claim to know the company so well, but you were that far off? Amazing.
Fascinating how someone who claims to know so much about sound and equipment repair can be so naive about repair costs..… or more likely so full of it.
Whatever agenda you have is way more important to you than facts, George Santos. Keep digging
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Evolves are fine products. I came close to buying them and have little doubt I would have been happy with them.
However, if I joined in threads about EV 50s and tried to portray that I know know all about them and then told people that they cost thousands of dollars to repair when someone else with experience about EV 50s knew that wasn’t close to being true. I’m guessing they would probably speak up and say Scott doesn’t know what he’s talking about regarding EV 50s and most likely would call into question everything else I say.
As I’ve always said, everyone should use what works for them. Lots of great options. But when you see information that you know isn’t true we should probably say something. It’s not hard to get wrong information. We’ve all had it. Some people are grateful when someone provides accurate information while someone else get offended that someone told him he was wrong.
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The experience is a matter of scale. People in my area who bought heavily into a system (3 or more pairs in frequent use) are the ones who bumped quickly up against issues. Bose at that time was a chain retailer, and the L1 was designed to be a musicians personal monitor not a full on PA system for large crowds. This product line is maintained by Bose retail products division. The cabinets are plastic just like all other retail speaker lines.
Bose has been majority owned by MIT since 2011. In 2020 Bose Professional was sold to a private equity firm and is focused on conferencing AV systems and wireless technology. Bose retail chain division closed all of it's over 100 stores in 2020 in favor of online merchandising, though the products are still sold in Target, Best Buy, and Walmart. Their chief product focus is earbuds, headphones, car audio, and entertainment home AV systems, etc.
22 years ago (2003/4) when these systems were introduced I doubt Bose anticpated it's personal monitor systems were going to be pushed to their limits by DJs trying to squeeze every last drop of juice out of them. But that is a well established trait of the mobile DJ world. The initial $1000 quotes and push back from Bose is a real experience of that time.
The Bose L1 is and always has been a retail product (personal monitor line) and for a DJ focused on a dancefloor amidst 60-80 people a pair will likley perform really well. For the guys adressing a room of 250 - pause before you blame the buyer. My experience with Bose sales reps is that they frequently over-state a products capability. While it's easy to blame the buyer, this is the retail DJ world - where ego drives the bus, and the typical Bose buyer is ripe for the picking.
You're only pointing out a 20+ year old personal grudge. I didn't respect you then, and I don't respect you now.
Get over it.
lol…more information, yet he conveniently ignores the information that was blatantly false. Just pretends he didn’t say it and assumes the person who pointed it out must have a personal grudge. That’s the only possibility in his mind. Same pattern for years.The experience is a matter of scale. People in my area who bought heavily into a system (3 or more pairs in frequent use) are the ones who bumped quickly up against issues. Bose at that time was a chain retailer, and the L1 was designed to be a musicians personal monitor not a full on PA system for large crowds. This product line is maintained by Bose retail products division. The cabinets are plastic just like all other retail speaker lines.
Bose has been majority owned by MIT since 2011. In 2020 Bose Professional was sold to a private equity firm and is focused on conferencing AV systems and wireless technology. Bose retail chain division closed all of it's over 100 stores in 2020 in favor of online merchandising, though the products are still sold in Target, Best Buy, and Walmart. Their chief product focus is earbuds, headphones, car audio, and entertainment home AV systems, etc.
22 years ago (2003/4) when these systems were introduced I doubt Bose anticpated it's personal monitor systems were going to be pushed to their limits by DJs trying to squeeze every last drop of juice out of them. But that is a well established trait of the mobile DJ world. The initial $1000 quotes and push back from Bose is a real experience of that time.
The Bose L1 is and always has been a retail product (personal monitor line) and for a DJ focused on a dancefloor amidst 60-80 people a pair will likley perform really well. For the guys adressing a room of 250 - pause before you blame the buyer. My experience with Bose sales reps is that they frequently over-state a products capability. While it's easy to blame the buyer, this is the retail DJ world - where ego drives the bus, and the typical Bose buyer is ripe for the picking.
If you tell Bob something he said is wrong, you must have a grudge against him
He brings up threads from years ago and then accuses someone else for holding a grudge
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lol…more information, yet he conveniently ignores the information that was blatantly false. Just pretends he didn’t say it and assumes the person who pointed it out must have a personal grudge. That’s the only possibility in his mind. Same pattern for years.
If you tell Bob something he said is wrong, you must have a grudge against him
The best way to deal with Bob is to not respond when he points out the fact that he is more knowlegable than you.
Please explain how someone gets to spill a drink on your speakers?
they need frequent repairs.
That’s a reach even for you.
Now you want people to believe they need frequent repairs…at $1000+ each time
1 repair in 19 years after someone spilled a drink on it. It was way less than the “$1000+ each time” you claim. And it’s only $250 today. You claim to know the company so well, but you were that far off? Amazing.
Fascinating how someone who claims to know so much about sound and equipment repair can be so naive about repair costs..… or more likely so full of it.
Whatever agenda you have is way more important to you than facts, George Santos. Keep digging
Really, you have never accidentally spilled something in your entire life??
Back when I was playing bars a lot many nights by the end of the evening there would be dozens of empty glasses on my subs, it’s part of that business, you but the proper gear and add what protection you can. May time the pile mints were full of Rand drinks that has gotten spilled