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steve149 said:
Fess up .. you don't believe in anything normal anymore .. :eek:
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hehehe -- that's probably a fair assessment...

What was normal for me 30 years ago, no longer applies -- as you get older, "normal" takes on new meanings.

Heck, a year ago, I didn't know I'd be dealing with a camping toilet, trying to find a way to wash my clothes, dishes, and take a shower.


Who'd of thunk, that two guys making out and dancing together at a wedding reception, would have happened? Is that normal?
 
Welcome to 2013.
 
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ahoustondj said:
All my discussions about being Blacklists involves vendors/DJs who have NEVER played or provided service to the Venue so don't even bother to bring up the Union thing and couldn't get along thing again. I know fully well that is a DJ goes to a Venue and screws up that they can be blacklisted. That is a fact.
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Well now ain't that funny. Posts 28, 29 and 30 - we were discussing blacklisting, which turned into preferred list on http://ourdjtalk.com/threads/40594-Need-your-input-on-adding-a-clause-for-an-outdoor-event/page2 and you remarked:

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This is not blaming you. I don't see how they can prevent you from playing if you are not on their preferred list. To me that is not fair trade but a Monopoly. You are supposed to be part of the Wedding Party and they are just discriminating against you. The Venue is open to the public for rent and therefore they should have no say in who the Client chooses for entertainment. I would bet anything that they have never been challenged in Court. Did you already sign a contract with your client? What if you had a family member that wanted to do a function there and they wanted to use you as the DJ? If it was me I would look into it to see if it was legal. Ask a business Attorney. This is why it is good to belong to Associations such as the Chamber of Commerce.

I would start an online Blog on the Internet myself and blacklist them as well. Just as how people give online reviews of places, I would review them as a place not recommended to go because of the restrictions they have on your (The Client's) choices.

Now I know why some of you chaps are scared to ask venues for anything and just do as told. Hmmm
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You can't have it both ways Canute.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Not exactly true Randy -- Sometimes you need to read between the lines, and some times people don't actually tell you what they do -- it might not be in their best interest ;)


BTW, I can honestly say I don't like doing weddings anymore -- in fact I don't believe in marriage any more. Far too much work in my book.
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So why don't you charge more to justify the hard work it takes to make the money? Now if you were charging or are charging $500.00-$600.00 to do a wedding can you possibly get a client to spend more?

One thing I know is around here a tip jar would be an insult to the customers in a bar. If it works for you where you're at fine but that wouldn't fly here. Also there are other DJ's out there that are charging more then $500.00-$600.00. Steve Cie says he won't move any gear for less then $700.00. So do what you do but stop it with saying weddings for the most part won't last and they will be married again in the future to someone else. That's assuming things. Some marriages last a lifetime. My best friend and his wife have been married 28 years going on 29 on May 5th of this year.

You also make the assumption that with most marriages someone is going to cheat. Some are faithful like my best friend and his wife.
 
ittigger said:
Well now ain't that funny. Posts 28, 29 and 30 - we were discussing blacklisting, which turned into preferred list on http://ourdjtalk.com/threads/40594-Need-your-input-on-adding-a-clause-for-an-outdoor-event/page2 and you remarked:



You can't have it both ways Canute.
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You were the one who was miconstruing what I was referring to when I was conversing about "Blacklisting". If you did not get the clarification by now I don't think you ever will. Like someone mentioned. what you think and see is what is in your perception. Lush oases in the desert are many times just a figment of the imagination and are nothing more than illusions.;)
 
ahoustondj said:
You were the one who was miconstruing what I was referring to when I was conversing about "Blacklisting". If you did not get the clarification by now I don't think you ever will. Like someone mentioned. what you think and see is what is in your perception. Lush oases in the desert are many times just a figment of the imagination and are nothing more than illusions.;)
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I don't believe I've misconstrued anything. It's clearly there in black and white for all to see and judge.
 
MIXMASTERMACHOM said:
So why don't you charge more to justify the hard work it takes to make the money? Now if you were charging or are charging $500.00-$600.00 to do a wedding can you possibly get a client to spend more?

One thing I know is around here a tip jar would be an insult to the customers in a bar. If it works for you where you're at fine but that wouldn't fly here. Also there are other DJ's out there that are charging more then $500.00-$600.00. Steve Cie says he won't move any gear for less then $700.00. So do what you do but stop it with saying weddings for the most part won't last and they will be married again in the future to someone else. That's assuming things. Some marriages last a lifetime. My best friend and his wife have been married 28 years going on 29 on May 5th of this year.

You also make the assumption that with most marriages someone is going to cheat. Some are faithful like my best friend and his wife.
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If you've actually READ any of my posts, you'd know if I have to move gear, that my price is $250 an hour, 3 hour minimum -- that's $750 minimum. I don't like to move gear anymore though, my knees are not in that great shape. If I can walk into a place with simply a laptop, plug into their system, anything I make is pure profit.

Tip jars are normal -- bartenders have them, DJs have them, bands have them. The TT bars are even easier, because the gals give you a percentage of their take. and you also have a tip jar for the patrons. Make sure to stuff the tip jar.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Not exactly true Randy -- Sometimes you need to read between the lines, and some times people don't actually tell you what they do -- it might not be in their best interest ;)


BTW, I can honestly say I don't like doing weddings anymore -- in fact I don't believe in marriage any more. Far too much work in my book.
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You'd be amazed at how well I can read between your lines. I know more of your little secrets than you care for me to know. ;)
 
Randy A said:
You'd be amazed at how well I can read between your lines. I know more of your little secrets than you care for me to know. ;)
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The one with Ricky, the Rabbi and the midgets is hilarious.
 
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Big Dan said:
Awe if that's not brotherhood I don't know what is. :eek::D
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hehehe -- Randy and I got cabin fever again -- either that, or we've been reading too many posts from Joisey and Texass... :laugh:
 
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Let me steer this thread in another direction.

My experience has been when going to a venue for the first time rarely do we get respect or treated nicely. Few do but most don't.

The thing Canute is how do we as a whole raise the bar. Let's look at it this way. How many of us have been to an event where we saw a DJ that wasn't very professional. Their setup was ugly with wires everywhere. Their gear sounded crappy. It looked old and beat up. They were I appropriately dressed. Playing music with explicit lyrics and cursing all over the mic.

So now think of how many such dj's a manager of a venue has seen like that. So no wonder some venues have a preferred vendors list. That's a sad but true fact.

So now it's left up to us true professionals to raise the bar to get the respect we deserve. Once you work in a venue enough times and they can see that you're a true professional then you can get respect. Until then most get treated like you're just another DJ coming to do an event at their venue.
 
MIXMASTERMACHOM said:
Let me steer this thread in another direction.

My experience has been when going to a venue for the first time rarely do we get respect or treated nicely. Few do but most don't. I don't have this problem. But then again I don't walk into a new venue and start making demands.

The thing Canute is how do we as a whole raise the bar. Are we doing the Limbo? Let's look at it this way. How many of us have been to an event where we saw a DJ that wasn't very professional. Their setup was ugly with wires everywhere. Their gear sounded crappy. It looked old and beat up. They were I appropriately dressed. Playing music with explicit lyrics and cursing all over the mic. See below.

So now think of how many such dj's a manager of a venue has seen like that. So no wonder some venues have a preferred vendors list. That's a sad but true fact.

So now it's left up to us true professionals Ummm, ya, right. Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.to raise the bar to get the respect we deserve. Once you work in a venue enough times and they can see that you're a true professional then you can get respect. Until then most get treated like you're just another DJ coming to do an event at their venue.
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MIXMASTERMACHOM said:
Let's look at it this way. How many of us have been to an event where we saw a DJ that wasn't very professional. Their setup was ugly with wires everywhere. Their gear sounded crappy. It looked old and beat up. They were I appropriately dressed. Playing music with explicit lyrics and cursing all over the mic.
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You mean like this.....

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You remember those pictures Mix? You and your partners at the "dead mans birthday party"?

Pot this is Mix, Mix this is Pot.:-/
 
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MIXMASTERMACHOM said:
So now it's left up to us true professionals to raise the bar to get the respect we deserve.
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I rate that as one of the funniest posts I've ever read... :laugh:
 
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DJCC said:
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You mean like this.....

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You remember those pictures Mix? You and your partners at the "dead mans birthday party"?

Pot this is Mix, Mix this is Pot.:-/
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You got me on that one. Now that wasn't in a fancy venue. It was in a restaurant with a back hall off from the kitchen on the side. I never would present such a thing to a client at a hall they rented out for an event. That was just something to do and we had to rush to get things to be on time.
 
@ DJCC You quoted in response to Mix's Post I don't have this problem. But then again I don't walk into a new venue and start making demands. Many times here people think that is what I do. They are wrong! It is an exaggeration of what I say and do. I negotiate for what I want by making the right suggestions and asking the right questions. I am not intimidated by the Venues nor am I fearful of being blacklisted. I do know for a fact that some are so scared to be blacklisted that they are afraid to "rock the boat". If they are so timid or coward to ask for what they want then that is their problem.

A site visit also helps to set the stage for a smooth load in setup and peaceful cooperation between the DJ and Staff. How many times I can see the look of respect in the Venue/Banquet Manager's eyes when I show up for a Site visit to work out gear and speaker placement. Often they would tell me, "This is unusual because only a few DJs or bands do what you are doing but that is good it helps us so we know what to expect" So when I post that I always get what I want as far as setup space, I did not get it by being arrogant. It is called the art of selling which is negotiation. Just want to clarify.
 
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