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I'm using an ATI Radeon HD 5570 on a desktop Windows 7 64-bit PC, with the very latest drivers installed and ....

ROTFLMAO. I have not seen a desktop machine used by any event professional in over a decade. If you ever get around to version 2.0 perhaps you could conceive of it in a post 1998 world?

Jumpin' Jeff said:
I find you however, to be very unprofessional, coming here and attacking happy users directly (Scott and I), trying to discredit us, and the software we choose happily to use.

To be specific: I discredit you for attempting to qualify the software with regard to DJ skills you do not possess. Likewise, anyone not using a particular feature (such as video) has no experience upon which to qualify it's performance.

You've only tried 1/2 dozen? Is that really enough? Keep going! I tried at least a couple dozen when I started looking. Ots didn't even compare feature wise to my first choices of PCDJ, and DJPower. I owned PCDJ for 6 months, before pitching it for Ots, simply because it was the only stable software I could find for 6-7 systems I put them on. I still download new versions of software occassionaly and try them out. I still crash many of them, and this is like 30 systems later. (You've only tried 1/2 dozen? Is that really enough? Keep going! I tried at least a couple dozen when I started looking. Ots didn't even compare feature wise to my first choices of PCDJ, and DJPower. I owned PCDJ for 6 months, before pitching it for Ots, simply because it was the only stable software I could find for 6-7 systems I put them on. I still download new versions of software occassionaly and try them out. I still crash many of them, and this is like 30 systems later. (All personally hand assembled, and configured.)

There's only a few credible softwares that matter in this field Jeff, so no - I don't need to keep looking. You're also assuming I'm not already a user of more than just Ots. To put it plainly for you Jeff: as a DJ software Ots sucks in comparison to Serato, VDJ, and PCDJ DEX. The real potential for Ots was in an corporate audio-visual role (not DJing) but, as both you and Ots point out - it is not relaible on anything except your: "all personally hand assembled, and configured desktops." FYI: Your bedroom is not one of the tour stops. :)


An effective tool is one that lets me stay focused on the needs of my job rather than the "issues" surrounding a given product. This thread is obviously a very negative review of the product experience I have had over the last several years with OtsAV.

Jeff, you're characterization of my personal disposition also fails to recognize the enormous lack of credibility Ots Labs has in light of it's failure to deliver the completed prodiuct it's users purchased. There is no level of "tech speak" that can overcome that credibility gap. The difference between a delay and a fraud is that one is cured within a reasonable period of time.
 
a forum isnt really the place to discredit a product which isnt sponsored on this site I would suggest handling grief outside of this site as it isnt proactive in regards to seeking success or results within ODJT. Bring on anything with the site sponsors software Rick will be glad to stand toe to toe with any discrepancies.
 
You are quite the pompass ass! You know nothing of me, and have tried to discredit me from the start. Even after you've been proved wrong, you still try to discredit me, all while remaining most arrogant.

I've owned PCDJ, And VDJ. I still own a copy of Torx also. Don't tell my I don't know what I speak of.

Personally, I still prefer a desktop unit over a laptop, simply because I demand allot from my system, and I've not had a laptop that could handle the stress I place on it.

I run Audio, 720p Video, Lighting Control, and Remote access server from my system, with an M-Audio Xponent Midi controller to manually mix, and it's still beefy enough to do anything else I desire to do as well.

Don't go dissing it because you ask too much of yours.
 
Don't worry Jon, I'm done!
You didn't really expect me to take another blow without responding did you?

I've said all I'm going to to that blow hard.
He can take a long walk off a short pier!
 
a forum isnt really the place to discredit a product which isnt sponsored on this site I would suggest handling grief outside of this site as it isnt proactive in regards to seeking success or results within ODJT. Bring on anything with the site sponsors software Rick will be glad to stand toe to toe with any discrepancies.

If comments on a given product require that the product be among the site's sponsors - then there is an inherent bias in that which would undermine the credibility of ALL threads on the site.

My experience with OTSAV cannot be "proven wrong" - it is my experience and the ownership of it belongs exclusively to me. My experience is that OTSAV does not live up to it's claims. If anyone needs evidentiary prooof of that simply look to the fact that they also don't live up to their promises.

DJ software isn't just a professional tool it's also a very personal choice - so yes Jeff, "pompous" (sp) as a matter of self important career priority is indeed appropriate here.

Anyone looking for a long-term review of professional DJ use of Ots should be able to find it. Mine is that the product does not keep pace with current practice, is feature light and problem heavy, and that it is a colossal waste of time converting media to the proprietary Ots format since the program itself is still unprepared for even the most basic current practices and requirements.

There are simply too many better and more versatile products on the market to bother with this one. It's my mistake - my perogative to share.
 
okay perhaps I need to draw a picture.........................................................................
 
okay perhaps I need to draw a picture.........................................................................

Do you want people to be able to find information and experience at ODJT or just advertising and advertorial?
 
Bob, I don't do much video, I do use the beat mixing a lot. I know many people that love using ots for video and love it.

I am sorry you are having an issue. It is a bummer when things don't work right. I can empathize with that.

Over the last several years, I did purchase 2 other Dj softwares. Both had some issues with freezing. With one, tech support said their is something wrong with my computer, buts ots ran just fine, so I stayed with it. The other, I didn't do much tech support attempts, I just stayed with ots.

So, like I said, I can empathize with your situation. However, both softwares I still own, even though I don't use them. With one, some recent cool features might make me re-examine it.

I do think you are being unfair to suggest that you should be entitled to a refund after several years. There has been many features added that were never promised. I don't believe I was ever promised video or karaoke, or midi support when I bought the software about 8 years ago. If I did something for a client which was above what we agreed to and no additional cost, and the client wasn't happy with that part of it, I don't believe they should be entitled for a refund....especially after a number of years

Sure, I'd like to see more features. But for me, and the way I use it, ots has been rock solid, which is most important for me.


The softwares that didn't work for me work for many people. Because they didn't work for me, I didn't go on a board and try to publicly humiliate a company into giving me back a few hundreds bucks.
 
Thanks Scott,

I can get Ots to run but, not reliably since it typically requires inappropriate or outdated drivers that destabilize the machines running it. (I have 12 machines across 4 brands and 3 operating sytems upon which I've been able to try it.) The program always crashes while running video, does not reliably load the next visual when transitioning, and of course lacks instant start when used with outboard controllers.

I do think you are being unfair to suggest that you should be entitled to a refund after several years. There has been many features added that were never promised. I don't believe I was ever promised video or karaoke, or midi support when I bought the software about 8 years ago. If I did something for a client which was above what we agreed to and no additional cost, and the client wasn't happy with that part of it, I don't believe they should be entitled for a refund....especially after a number of years

First and foremsot, it was Jeff and Ots who suggested I sell the licenses implying there was some extraordinary value in them. My call for a refund is simply asking them to put their own money where their mouth is. Whatever I paid for it is a minor sunk cost that I'm not actually concerned about yet, I will no longer tolerate the Ots arrogance.

I can not at all agree with your notion about getting something you didn't ask for as an acceptable substitute for the things you were promised. If I paid you to cut my lawn and you cleaned my pool instead - you don't deserve to get paid for either. That's an example of Ots arrogance - and I've had 8 years too much of it.

The only value in the licesne is the software's ability to read the proprietary Ots file format - and having drives filled with Ots files I can still use the audio program for simple sequential audio playback. However, to be fair it needs to be said that except for the Ots file format this is a function that can be had for free by downloading iTunes or any media player. Ripping/conversion to the Ots format was a waste of time and resources because the software never came to full fruition as promised. No amount of "novelty" features excuses that; and the addition of video is not a "bonus" it's part of staying current in the marketplace.

Rockit, for example is a very good program but, it lacks video, and video is a baseline reality in the special event business. If Rick added those features it would not (as Ots arrogantly suggests of themselves) place him on the "bold frontier" of DJ software, It would simply place him exactly where the market reality directs him to be.

As an audio only DJ tool OtsAV currently ranks behind open source softwares in useful features and capabilities. The novelty additions I "didn't ask for" are distractions and detours indicative of the departure of the Ots goals from those of working DJs. Adam has already revealed his goal to be a fully automated "DJ-less" application, and it is clear Ots has completely abondoned any development regarding the human interaction of an actual DJ with the software, or the protability of the machines running it.

I've understood the technical reality of ABM since 1988. In fact, so did anyone who looked at the amount of data stored on optical discs at that time (multi-language support etc.) We all knew that it would simply be a matter of time before digital data could also include the relevent cues, mix points, tempos, keys, and styles. No professional is amazed by the Ots ABM feature and no one takes it's sub-par time fades seriously. ABM and karaoke 8 years into the deal is like asking me to overlook my 4 foot high lawn while you clean the pool week after week. Video is like expecting me to be surpirsed that you no longer use a push-mower.
 
For me OTS works perfect in every way. I use if for video and audio. I'm sorry to see that the product does not meet your expectations. I'm just glad it meets mine. As has been discussed the good part is you can probably sell it for almost the amount you purchased it for. There are plenty of people on Jeff's board that would be more than happy to take them off your hands for a slight discount. I would think that it would be a perfect solution for you. You would not have to own or use it any more and you would make another human happy to receive the product at a slight discount. A much better option than simply being SOL.
 
Bob I want folks to find information about any product we might deal with. You have issues with the product and have made your self quite clear. Im saying you had your say now move on or take it private off site. Your stance is quite clear and the mud slinging back and forth on a personal level does not belong. Steve Cie I hope this makes the message more clear.
 
For me OTS works perfect in every way. I use if for video and audio. I'm sorry to see that the product does not meet your expectations. I'm just glad it meets mine. As has been discussed the good part is you can probably sell it for almost the amount you purchased it for. There are plenty of people on Jeff's board that would be more than happy to take them off your hands for a slight discount. I would think that it would be a perfect solution for you. You would not have to own or use it any more and you would make another human happy to receive the product at a slight discount. A much better option than simply being SOL.

A solution filled with logic.

Some people are much more comfortable being a victim instead of looking for a logic solution.
 
For me OTS works perfect in every way. I use if for video and audio. I'm sorry to see that the product does not meet your expectations. I'm just glad it meets mine. As has been discussed the good part is you can probably sell it for almost the amount you purchased it for. There are plenty of people on Jeff's board that would be more than happy to take them off your hands for a slight discount. I would think that it would be a perfect solution for you. You would not have to own or use it any more and you would make another human happy to receive the product at a slight discount. A much better option than simply being SOL.

A solution filled with logic.

Some people are much more comfortable being a victim instead of looking for a logical solution.
 
I can get Ots to run but, not reliably since it typically requires inappropriate or outdated drivers that destabilize the machines running it. (I have 12 machines across 4 brands and 3 operating sytems upon which I've been able to try it.) The program always crashes while running video, does not reliably load the next visual when transitioning, and of course lacks instant start when used with outboard controllers.

If you are having the same identical problem with 12 different machines across 3 different operating systems, logic would dictate that it really shouldn't be working for anybody. Which is clearly not the case. As I said, I don't do video a lot, but when I try it on all 6 computers, 3 different operating systems, it works flawlessly, has not crashed. I talk with DJs that run videos all night long...no crashes.

If you are truly looking for a solution, there are many advanced OTS video users that will help you. But I just don't get the sense that you are asking for help or trying to find a solution. You seem more interested in convincing others that they too will be having this issue with OTS. How many other users have you ran into with the same issue?
 
If you are truly looking for a solution, there are many advanced OTS video users that will help you. But I just don't get the sense that you are asking for help or trying to find a solution. You seem more interested in convincing others that they too will be having this issue with OTS. How many other users have you ran into with the same issue?

Why do you insist on making it personal?
Where do you get off thinking that help is a perpetual requirement and that I must learn to love Ots?
Look at the date on the original post - it's two years old! I've had plenty of time to "find a solution."
I'm rejecting the product and the company outright based on my experience not yours.

The notion of selling the license is ignorant. It's not about money. This program is cheap - my time spent creating ots media files is not. Ots is the only software capable of reading them so keeping the license is a must if there is a time and place to make use of them and recoup that effort. The warning is that choosing to invest my time in the Ots system and it's propritary file formats was a mistake because the program's deficiencies seriously limit your capabilities.
 
The notion of selling the license is ignorant. It's not about money. This program is cheap - my time spent creating ots media files is not. Ots is the only software capable of reading them so keeping the license is a must if there is a time and place to make use of them and recoup that effort. The warning is that choosing to invest my time in the Ots system and it's propritary file formats was a mistake because the program's deficiencies seriously limit your capabilities.

You can... believe it or not the Ots format isn't really a format at all... it's a container file like Zip... just use Ots Studio and convert back to mp3... btw the conversion isn't really a conversion... all you are really doing is taking the mp3 out of the Ots container.... you will have to spend time tag correcting. But, it can be done... and then you can ditch OtsAV and leave it to those that are more capible of using it.
 
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