I just received this "Entertainer Contract". Do you see anything wrong?

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so in fact your saying that if the venue has a strict noise law in the house you would disregard it? Cause If Im reading you correctly it wasnt in your contract and you will do as you damned well please.!! Im smiling here so dont think its a heated response.
 
wait if he has nothing negating such activity such as venue bylaws he is not covering the Frogz azz so in fact has signed to perform and is at the venues mercy how can one get out of policy beings he has already agreed to play at the event?

We are all speculating and guessing here, including me. If the man is dealing with Contracts then the man should be consulting legal minds, namely an Attorney.
 
so in fact your saying that if the venue has a strict noise law in the house you would disregard it? Cause If Im reading you correctly it wasnt in your contract and you will do as you damned well please.!! Im smiling here so dont think its a heated response.

Jon, even you know that does not make sense, not at a venue. Yer been smokin loco weed agin! Better lay off the wacky tabaky!
 
wearing raggedy shorts with your arse crack hanging out with a moth eaten tank top doesnt make sense at a high end venue either but I have seen it and to be honest I dont do it. I usually wear a pair of slacks with a nice short sleeve collared shirt you have to look the part and to be honest I have signed several contracts with those browsing a facility cause I was dressed appropriately provided a neat setup presentation and if they got to hear The Dynacords done deal. This rule is for those who wear their grubby not for public view clothes to set up plain and simple.

Having your wires a mangled mess even providing possible trip hazards is common sense but you know as well as I there are some who trhow the gear together wires all astray and sometimes a danger to anyone near the setup. Having been in the military perhaps I understand the idea of having a Tech order of sorts to insure all comply at the venues minimal acceptable levels. The Tech order is only flawed on how it is delivered. You have a right to refuse and so do they. They own the place. If they have a 5 mile per hour sign through their parking lot will you comply? You would after all be doing that without any kind of contract.
 
Yes, I sign the contract with the bride and groom. But I am performing AT THEIR VENUE. I will make every possible attempt to go along with their wishes as long as they are reasonable and those wishes should make the event better. I believe they are and they will

I think the attitude of "F them, I didn't sign a contract with them and no one is going to tell me what I can and cannot do" is EXACTLY why they need policies like those, because some DJs believe the event is all about them. A successful event is about vendors and venues working together to make the event successful. Its not just DJs. Some venues think the same way. Some photographers think that way.

But some venues and some vendors get it. They try to respect the wishes of others to make the event successful, they try to be accommodating at all times and always remember that the ultimate goal is having a successful event, not me being happy because i was able to wear my comfy jean shorts or being able to throw a few drinks back.
 
Contract makes sense to me. I am willing the bet that if you can't work within those specific guidelines that they will make the necessary adjustments for you within reason. What they don't want is some slob loafing around their building unattended. Can't blame them for that!

We've had plenty of venues with strict timelines, loading specifications (reserve a loading dock & arrange a 'babysitter' to be present as we set up & tear down). We contact each venue and provide them with our technical requirements. Of course, our electrical and loading requirements are more extensive than most, but typically, the venues who are more picky are prepared for all levels of productions. I have rarely encountered an issue. I am happy to make their job as easy as possible by being on time (in arriving, setting up, ending, tearing down, etc). This allows them to be prepared for us and makes them very accomodating.
 
Yes, I sign the contract with the bride and groom. But I am performing AT THEIR VENUE. I will make every possible attempt to go along with their wishes as long as they are reasonable and those wishes should make the event better. I believe they are and they will

I think the attitude of "F them, I didn't sign a contract with them and no one is going to tell me what I can and cannot do" is EXACTLY why they need policies like those, because some DJs believe the event is all about them. A successful event is about vendors and venues working together to make the event successful. Its not just DJs. Some venues think the same way. Some photographers think that way.

But some venues and some vendors get it. They try to respect the wishes of others to make the event successful, they try to be accommodating at all times and always remember that the ultimate goal is having a successful event, not me being happy because i was able to wear my comfy jean shorts or being able to throw a few drinks back.

I'm not saying F Them.....I'm saying they need to revamp their approach in the way they word the contract. I am a very respectful person when it comes to making my clients happy, and working with venues. I have been known to help clear tables and chairs of the dance floor to get the dance going, and no one has asked. While this isn't my job, I like to take the approach of being friendly and approachable and why not..helpful.

I just think their judgements on that contract are valid to some extent, but awful silly.

Granted there are some idiots out there, thats understandable. However do you really need to point out things that should be common sense??

I think to my contract, should I write two more pages of common sense things for my clients, such as not putting drinks on speakers. Staying away at least 10 ft from my equipment to ensure safety. Do not come lean on table from the front and risk falling over.

These would be considered common sense, I would find there is no way I can really put this in writing on a binding agreement. In fact, it would be silly, and to me it makes me look stupid. Granted I've dealt with these idiots, and its not about me....its about the overall experience.

But again......it is about the B&G 100%, but some of the things in the contract are second nature for most of us.
 
I'm soooo glad I don't DJ for a living anymore... :sqerr:


If you want me, you have to sign a rider, that topless chicks will deliver beers while we load in... :D

We prefer Red Stripe in the summer, but Corona will do in a pinch :)


BTW, I've worked for places like this before -- none of this crap is enforced. It's not intended to be enforced. It's a fallback.

I ran security for some awesome, upscale places in Naples. They all had these silly "contracts". Do you think we actually cared if the guy was wearing a t-shirt and shorts on load in?

Hell no!

It's there, in case some sh_tfaced fool is hired (and didn't bring enough to go around) :)
 
Rick's right... the purpose of these riders is to keep the riff raff out. The venue's insurance company is appeased as well. :)

Maybe it's me... but I've always arrived at a venue dressed for the occasion. The occasion is a client's event where many invited guests are in attendance. No, I haven't loaded in while wearing my dress duds. I wear a dress shirt and slacks with dress shoes. Once loaded in and set up, I change to my white shirt, vest and tie.

I've seen DJs arrive at venues dressed like they're going fishing... shorts and a tee shirt, in tenny runners with no socks. That's on them. I've never done that and never will. Not even for a campground dance or VFW show. The only exception was a po' folks fundraiser gig at the VFW where everyone dressed like we were going fishing. I was told not to don my dress duds that night. So there I was in a tank top shirt. :D

Clothes make the man. That's the difference between "a DJ" and someone who represents a business. A first impression is a lasting one. :)

My reasoning: People are watching. The camera never blinks. ;)
 
It finally dawned on me, Ruben is upset because he won't be able to DJ without pants :sqerr::sqerr:

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Nothing looks more unprofessional than a DJ with a beer in hand. Would it be okay for the bartender, banquet manager, limo driver, photograper or videographer to be tipping back a few colds ones just because they are friends with the person who hired them?

Besides how unprofessional drinking on the job looks, I can't see your insurance company approving a claim should something go wrong.

I'll occasionally have a cold one with the venue staff after the guests have left and we have all finished tearing down.
 
Received my first "Entertainer Contract". It seems to be no problem but does anybody see anything wrong with this. The only thing I don't do is arrive in "professional attire".

Entertainers must be set up and sound checked 30 minutes prior to guest arrival.

Access to the facility is given to entertainers two hours prior to the start of the event. If you require earlier set up, please contact Jenny Giallanza at (916) 774-3870 during regular business hours.
Load in takes place at the west entrance of the facility. It is a short distance from your vehicle to the ballroom. The majority of the path is smooth, flat and firm with little or no stairs. There is a stage in the ballroom. You will be setting up to the right of the stage (as you’re facing it) on the floor in an area
designated by the facility. Any tables, stands or other props needed for performance are to be provided by the entertainment company unless arrangements are made in advance. Access to the service area and
kitchen is near your set-up. Please mind the area and provide ample clearance for catering equipment in this area.

This seems as normal and what I have done for years

 When you arrive, please introduce yourself to the Banquet Manager on duty and ask him/her to point out access for load in and set up area. Equipment is to be unloaded and vehicles moved immediately as the unloading area is an access point for guests and residents of the facility.

This seems as normal and what I have done for years

 All cords (cable, electrical, audio, visual etc…) are to be neatly dressed and secured using gaffer’s no stick residue tape. Cables are to be of a dark or black color and are to be run along baseboards and the architecture of the facility in a professional manner. Cable runs are prohibited along doorways and high traffic/access points throughout the facility.

This is also ok on whats required - doesnt take brain surgery for that

 Two 20A circuits at 120V service, 3 prong Edison connections are provided for power use. Should more power be needed, contact Jenny Giallanza at (916) 774-3870 during regular business hours.

This seems as normal and what I have done for years

 Due to the dress code of the facility, entertainers must arrive to event site in professional attire and perform in professional attire suitable to the event. Jeans, T-shirts, tank tops and open toed shoes/sandals are prohibited.

See attached for details how to get around that situation

 Last song must end at conclusion of contracted time for facility. Adding time is not allowed on the day of the event. Please confirm with Banquet Manager upon arrival to determine contracted end time.

this is more to do with the Client - if they say go on then we go on .....

 Breakdown must be completed within 45 minutes of event conclusion.

This seems as normal and what I have done for years, plus some times depending it can be quicker or longer depending on the situation of the day!

 Although you are an independent contractor, you are considered by Sun City Roseville to be a representative of the overall guest experience we provide to our clients. For this reason, all entertainers will refrain from the use of alcohol or illegal substances while on property.

Now this is the BEST thing that is been said I totally agree 200% with this one

 You will be responsible for any damages to the building or grounds incurred by your or your staff while working at Sun City Roseville.

No problem with this one

Please read, sign and return one copy to acknowledge understanding and cooperation of the above requirements.

Well what I have to wear is nice jeans (well to me they are)
and a t-shirt that was made in a few colors - see attached

why not make up something like them

as for the other comments they are in RED
 

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Nothing looks more unprofessional than a DJ with a beer in hand.

That's why I carry a flask -- I'm high class :sqlaugh:


Honestly, if I were doing a gig for you today, I would be loading in with shorts and a t-shirt (unless there were chicks around, then I'd take off the t-shirt).


The DJ/Entertainer persona, only takes shape, when I take the stage.

Perhaps I think different in this regard, because I'm more used to playing in a band. Everything is setup well before any guests arrive, and torn down after they leave. They only see the performance.

I couldn't care less what the venue staff thinks -- they don't pay me... :)
 
I'm sure glad that I don't live in the big city that have all these fancy places with all these rules...:sqrolleyes:

Seriously, most of the stuff is common sense and it's stuff that most of us do in our everyday life when djing.

I do have a problem with the part about dressing up for moving my equipment in...I'm doing freakin' manual labor when setting up, sometimes climbing on ladders, crawling around runnning wires, etc. and I need to be in my "work" clothes. I normally wear blue jeans, white polo shirt with our logo and tennis shoes, oh and I have to have a "do-rag" because I have no hair to absorb the sweat....:sqlaugh: Cause when I work, I sweat....:sqeek::sqwink:
 
Received my first "Entertainer Contract". It seems to be no problem but does anybody see anything wrong with this. The only thing I don't do is arrive in "professional attire".

I look at this list as a bare minimum list of "professional" behaviors. Since I already go above and beyond this list, it is not a problem at all.

 Entertainers must be set up and sound checked 30 minutes prior to guest arrival.

That's fine. I normally arrive at least 90 minutes ahead of time for a simple event, and 2 hours if I expect any complications. A full sound check completed 30 minutes prior to the guest arrival is not an issue.

What I sometimes run into are venues who think that a sound check can be done without disturbing the corporate meetings going on onsite prior to the event.

I explain that my sound check will be:
- Loud. In fact, it will be louder than I expect it to get during the event.
- 15 minutes long. I play the same song 2-3 times to use as a baseline to EQ to the room, and to get the speaker placement refined. Then I play 2-3 other songs that cover typical dinner music, party music, and special songs.
- Done with as few people in the space as possible. Any non-essential people should be removed from the room (again, it is going to get LOUD!).

 Access to the facility is given to entertainers two hours prior to the start of the event. If you require
earlier set up, please contact Jenny Giallanza at (916) 774-3870 during regular business hours.
Load in takes place at the west entrance of the facility. It is a short distance from your vehicle to the
ballroom. The majority of the path is smooth, flat and firm with little or no stairs. There is a stage in the
ballroom. You will be setting up to the right of the stage (as you’re facing it) on the floor in an area
designated by the facility. Any tables, stands or other props needed for performance are to be provided by
the entertainment company unless arrangements are made in advance. Access to the service area and
kitchen is near your set-up. Please mind the area and provide ample clearance for catering equipment in
this area.

2 hours is plenty for load in and setup - for all but the largest venues. I have all my own tables and drapes and facades. If the venue would prefer matching drapes, then they would need to provide those.

 When you arrive, please introduce yourself to the Banquet Manager on duty and ask him/her to point out
access for load in and set up area. Equipment is to be unloaded and vehicles moved immediately as the
unloading area is an access point for guests and residents of the facility.

I introduce myself to the banquet coordinator during a site visit that is 2-3 weeks prior to the event. I will happily let them know that I have arrived onsite. During that site visit I discuss load in/out paths, parking, and so on.

 All cords (cable, electrical, audio, visual etc…) are to be neatly dressed and secured using gaffer’s no stick
residue tape. Cables are to be of a dark or black color and are to be run along baseboards and the
architecture of the facility in a professional manner. Cable runs are prohibited along doorways and high
traffic/access points throughout the facility.

I dress all cables with gaffers tape. All my cords are black or a dark color.

Cable runs being prohibited across doorways might be an issue depending on the location of the console, and the overall speaker placement in the room. I certainly discuss that during the site walk through.

 Two 20A circuits at 120V service, 3 prong Edison connections are provided for power use. Should more
power be needed, contact Jenny Giallanza at (916) 774-3870 during regular business hours.

Tow circuits is one more than I normally get.

 Due to the dress code of the facility, entertainers must arrive to event site in professional attire and
perform in professional attire suitable to the event. Jeans, T-shirts, tank tops and open toed
shoes/sandals are prohibited.

Years ago, I "forgot" my tux pants...and was wearing jeans for the load in. I was able to run to the local mega mart (is was in the same shopping center) and find a pair of black "dress pants" prior to the event. But, that sense of panic about wearing a tux shirt and jacket over blue jeans has never left me.

Since that day, I have always loaded in wearing business casual with a pair of black dress pants and a polo shirt. That way I know I have at least one backup pair of pants at the event. They might not be tux pants...but black dress pants match a tux a lot better than blue jeans.

These dress pants are not expensive...I think that most of the dress pants I wear for load in/out are actually cheaper than the jeans I buy...$20-$25 a pair on the sale rack at the local mall stores.

Ask what attire the venue considers to be appropriate during a load in. Odds are dark dress pants with a polo shirt are fine.

 Last song must end at conclusion of contracted time for facility. Adding time is not allowed on the day
of the event. Please confirm with Banquet Manager upon arrival to determine contracted end time.

I work with the client and the venue to make sure that the event is over by the end of the contracted time. This avoids overtime charges to the client, and helps make the venue happy. I also ask what it means for the event to be over...is that the last song? or do all the guests have to be out of the facility?

 Breakdown must be completed within 45 minutes of event conclusion.

For a small to medium event that is a reasonble load out time. I can certainly be out of the building...I may need another few minutes to get everything loaded.

I typically do not begin to break down the equipment until after the last guest has left the ballroom. I also take a few moments to change out of my tux and into my load in/out clothes. When guests linger for 15 or 20 or 30 minutes after the event, that does delay the teardown.

If I have concerns based on the amount of gear, I will raise those with the venue.

 Although you are an independent contractor, you are considered by Sun City Roseville to be a
representative of the overall guest experience we provide to our clients. For this reason, all entertainers
will refrain from the use of alcohol or illegal substances while on property.

I never drink alcohol while I am working. And I never use illegal substances. So, this is a non issue.

I do bring a small cooler with bottled water and other drinks for me. This avoids me taking time from the bartenders to get a glass of water.

 You will be responsible for any damages to the building or grounds incurred by your or your staff while
working at Sun City Roseville.

Please read, sign and return one copy to acknowledge understanding and cooperation of the above requirements.

Everyone is always responsible for any damage that is caused by you. I would discuss "normal wear and tear" compared to "deliberate damage" or "negligent damage". If a door stop is not available, and my cart or cases on the cart bump the door - I will not charge them for damaging my equipment if they do not charge me for dinging their door.

They key with any list like this is that the venue has seen some (or perhaps many- bad actors over the years. I find that if I make an appointment 2-3 weeks ahead of time with the banquet manager, arrive on time wearing a suit, discuss the time line of events, ask to see the load in/out path, ask about parking with a trailer, ask about event end times, ask about circuits and breakers, and so on - that the Vast Majority of issues with lists like this simply evaporate. Present yourself as a professional, and you will be treated like one.