Thanks Steve sometimes we micromanage and hold a higher spot in our own minds. We have to have a bit of bend factor. This is really not over the line at all.
I just received this "Entertainer Contract". Do you see anything wrong?
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Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with what they are asking, they aren't asking for money or your credit card number LOL!
Good call..you cracked my up on that one!!
There is nothing there that challenges your rights just challenges the ego. When you come in to my house you play by my rules your rights stop at my door.
I don't see anything unreasonable there although I would clarify the dress code and the 45 minute rule depending on setup especially if the breakdown includes strike
Go with me on this for the sake of argumentation. I agree bottom line that you should be professional in every way/shape/form when doing a event. Everyone has their own definition of the drinking rule...so lets take this out of the equation..that horse has been beaten.
But heres something to ponder my friend..... (straight out respectfully speaking)
You mean telling me how to dress is not a violation? Hmmm...thats odd.
The venue never hired the entertainment...the client did. And if the client who signed the contract has said nothing about a dress code...then I will dress accordingly. If you didnt hire me, you won't be telling me what I can or cannot wear. This is a common sense issue, not a rule or a regulation.
When you didn't hire me, your rights to tell me what to do has stopped even before you even open your mouth.
Let's get this on the burner as well. I do dress appropriately, and I do pretty much all listed above, and I could easily not have a drink...no problem. But the manner in which the contract is listed is insane to me.
I would like to see this contract better written and better represented. For example, in my contracts, I have agreements to protect the buyer as well....there is nothing in this agreement that helps the entertainer.
I am ok with signing certain agreements, and dealing with venues, but this agreement is a little excessive, just like the whole cc thingy. But of course the whole cc thingy is beyond excessive...that is blatantly absurd.
More of what I said in my response was a more of a "Who farted and made you Queen thing?"
Bottom line...give me a better contract that is better written and detailed, and I date and sign this thing no problem.
I have to agree with DJMN on this a little bit.... while I don't find anything in there that is completly disagreeable.... I think it looks more like a hodge podge of different things someone sat around thinking up.... like they sat around and said "What if the entertainer shows up in jeans and then performs in them?"
Then they wrote a rule....
Then they go "How early should we let them in the facility?"
Then wrote a rule/guideline...
If it were wrote in a more logical format and then presented correctly I would not have any problem with it.... as it is since I understand what they are trying to accomplish I still wouldn't have any problem signing it with a few adendems added for clarification purposes.
Then they wrote a rule....
Then they go "How early should we let them in the facility?"
Then wrote a rule/guideline...
If it were wrote in a more logical format and then presented correctly I would not have any problem with it.... as it is since I understand what they are trying to accomplish I still wouldn't have any problem signing it with a few adendems added for clarification purposes.
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If it were wrote in a more logical format and then presented correctly I would not have any problem with it.... as it is since I understand what they are trying to accomplish I still wouldn't have any problem signing it with a few adendems added for clarification purposes.[/QUOTE]
Why didnt you just post this before...lol...and I could have saved a lot of posting my friend!
I typed ten flippin pages...you sum it up in one paragraph! I friggen love ya, but I hate ya for doing this.
If it were wrote in a more logical format and then presented correctly I would not have any problem with it.... as it is since I understand what they are trying to accomplish I still wouldn't have any problem signing it with a few adendems added for clarification purposes.[/QUOTE]
Why didnt you just post this before...lol...and I could have saved a lot of posting my friend!
I typed ten flippin pages...you sum it up in one paragraph! I friggen love ya, but I hate ya for doing this.
Why didnt you just post this before...lol...and I could have saved a lot of posting my friend!
I typed ten flippin pages...you sum it up in one paragraph! I friggen love ya, but I hate ya for doing this.
I get that alot......
I come to work and the girl on shift will go.... "I've been trying to get this person checkout, and it keeps telling me I need to dye my hair...." I click a few buttons... done.... and they throw pens at me for it! How rude!
And that's all what it comes down to common sense isn't as common as it used to be. Imagine what these people have seen to even have an agreement like this in place.
Again you are in thier house they make the rules. You don't have to agree with the rules and they don't have to let you in.
Clarification would help in this agreement but as far as protecting the entertainer there is everything there to help. It gives you details of what you are supposed to do and if you follow it you could end up with a lot of referrals. In the end they are not there to protect you they are there to protect themselves and thier clients. Your contract should protect you
I get that alot......
I come to work and the girl on shift will go.... "I've been trying to get this person checkout, and it keeps telling me I need to dye my hair...." I click a few buttons... done.... and they throw pens at me for it! How rude!
It has happened to me 7 years ago....lol...quick story..sorry about the brief highjack....
to simplify the story...
I get to work, and this good looking italian gal is complaining her card has been over charged, by the old woman who was working the previous shift. This gal was trying to figure it out...and I'm like...close out the till, I got it. Took 10 minutes to close out till, and for me to get into the computer. The old gal left...anyways....within 5 minutes...I had everything resolved. She spent an hour at the window with that other teller..the old lady. Anyways as happy as she was..she literally wanted to bang me right then and there. A week later she won a $350 jackpot, and split the winnings with me. Yes a $175 tip. I have had my moments....they just don't happen as much as I'd like em too. Btw rob...IT does help you are quite computer literate...and according to the blonde reference..I assume you know how to get white out off the screen?? I found a hammer to be quite practical...but sorta spendy.
Here's an example Adam
Now this just sounds like common sense right?
On two seperate occasions I have been asked if I need power to operate my gear and on another the closest power supply was about 350 feet away
These agreements aren't meant for normal, rational, people they are meant for those that don't have the ability to use common sense and there is alot of them out there
Now this just sounds like common sense right?
On two seperate occasions I have been asked if I need power to operate my gear and on another the closest power supply was about 350 feet away
These agreements aren't meant for normal, rational, people they are meant for those that don't have the ability to use common sense and there is alot of them out there
These agreements aren't meant for normal, rational, people they are meant for those that don't have the ability to use common sense and there is alot of them out there
But even so...this contract in question is poorly written and detailed.
I have no problems with signing a common sense contract or any contracts..only when they are cleverly and thoughtfully written and detailed.
But even so...this contract in question is poorly written and detailed.
I have no problems with signing a common sense contract or any contracts..only when they are cleverly and thoughtfully written and detailed.
To address the original question, no. I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. A bit demanding when compared to your VFW or firehouse venue... but not unreasonably so.
Jeff made the point quite well, I think. Can you imagine what this venue management has seen to cause them to institute rules like this? The rules were likely born of necessity. They've likely been burned by slob DJs. I'm surprised there isn't a volume level clause in there.
I have heard of an upscale venue in NJ that requires all vendors to load in wearing a tux. If you're not in the tux they won't let you in. So vendors have two tuxes ~ one to load with and the other to wear during the show.
Jeff made the point quite well, I think. Can you imagine what this venue management has seen to cause them to institute rules like this? The rules were likely born of necessity. They've likely been burned by slob DJs. I'm surprised there isn't a volume level clause in there.
I have heard of an upscale venue in NJ that requires all vendors to load in wearing a tux. If you're not in the tux they won't let you in. So vendors have two tuxes ~ one to load with and the other to wear during the show.
Due to the dress code of the facility, entertainers must arrive to event site in professional attire and
perform in professional attire suitable to the event. Jeans, T-shirts, tank tops and open toed
shoes/sandals are prohibited.
Just re-read this contract...and damn it...I am an idiot......this is ok....
Due to the dress code of the facility, entertainers must arrive to event site in professional attire and perform in professional attire suitable to the event
This sums up a lot for me......anything I said about dress attire can be rekindled back to the original form. This is ok lingo for events. I can now agree with what is said.
perform in professional attire suitable to the event. Jeans, T-shirts, tank tops and open toed
shoes/sandals are prohibited.
Just re-read this contract...and damn it...I am an idiot......this is ok....
Due to the dress code of the facility, entertainers must arrive to event site in professional attire and perform in professional attire suitable to the event
This sums up a lot for me......anything I said about dress attire can be rekindled back to the original form. This is ok lingo for events. I can now agree with what is said.
Yup...they must have had some real bad apples for all those common sense clauses.
Fred: If the later part of your post were the case here at a venue. I think I'd find the cheekiest 1970's light blue polyester tux with ruffled shirt I could find just to prove how ridiculous such a requirement that is to have to wear a tux to load in setup and load out again.
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I think the "agreement" (it is not a contract) is very simple and to the point.
Also it takes a lot of hassle out of the situation. If you know that you have to be out in 45 minutes you don't use a system that is going to take you 2 hours to break down and move out.
If you are going to need a system for a bigger event they tell you right in the agreement what to do: " Access to the facility is given to entertainers two hours prior to the start of the event. If you requireearlier set up, please contact Jenny Giallanza at (916) 774-3870 during regular business hours." It stands to reason that if a system is going to take longer to setup it will take longer to break down, I don't think they would have a problem with that if it is discussed before hand.
Also it takes a lot of hassle out of the situation. If you know that you have to be out in 45 minutes you don't use a system that is going to take you 2 hours to break down and move out.
If you are going to need a system for a bigger event they tell you right in the agreement what to do: " Access to the facility is given to entertainers two hours prior to the start of the event. If you requireearlier set up, please contact Jenny Giallanza at (916) 774-3870 during regular business hours." It stands to reason that if a system is going to take longer to setup it will take longer to break down, I don't think they would have a problem with that if it is discussed before hand.
you'll be surprised, last year I had the same situation, Liability insurance was required, but they also wanted a deposit. I've also heard of venues requesting vendors to wear formal attire during setup. To me that would be ok if the client was paying a very high end price and I had plenty of time to shower and change