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SoftJock Rick said:
I think that's more ego talking, than anything else...

I went up to Burger King a bit ago, and the dude making my burgers was a professional cook. He's getting paid for his career choice, and seemed to do a good job.

Now, if I came over to your house, and you grilled me a burger, and you didn't charge me for it -- then I can't call you a professional cook (unless that's what you do for your pay). If you do do it for pay, and the burger sucks, does that make you less of a professional? I've been to doctors that sucked, worked with lawyers and accountants who sucked -- are they still professionals?

You see how muddy this whole thing gets...?

But the LCD is still, they get paid for what they do.
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The job description for a cook at Burger King specifically describes the position as: nonprofessional.
So again, you seem to be working on personal preference rather than factual practice. No one in the Human Resources field seems to agree with you.

I think ego comes in where you desire to reduce everything around you to the Lowest Common Denominator.
You're desire to view the world in a negative light doesn't change reality for the rest of us.
 
Proformance said:
The job description for a cook at Burger King specifically describes the position as: nonprofessional.
So again, you seem to be working on personal preference rather than factual practice. No one in the Human Resources field seems to agree with you.

I think ego comes in where you desire to reduce everything around you to the Lowest Common Denominator.
You're desire to view the world in a negative light doesn't change reality for the rest of us.
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To be fair, this Burger King Job opening ( https://hmshost.taleo.net/careersection/field2/jobdetail.ftl?job=320888 ) for a cook makes no such reference to a nonprofessional (only non-exempt).

It does include many requirements most anyone would consider a requirement of a professional:

- providing the highest quality of service to customers and associates at all times
- keep records in order to accurately plan production requirements and requisition supplies and equipment
- Requires food preparation skills and knowledge of HACCP standards
- Requires a minimum of 1 year of closely related cooking experience, work experience in high volume or fast casual dining restaurant environment preferred
- Requires food knowledge pertaining to Soups, Sauté, Broiler, Fry, and Pantry
 
Geeze it took me an hour to catch up on the posts...Maybe I just read slow lack of professionalisim you know ;)

Cesar sorry I disapointed you earlier but I guess that's why you didn't respond to my question. One DJ doing 250 events a year @$200/per would take in $50,000. Does that qualify him/her as a professional?
 
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Proformance said:
I think ego comes in where you desire to reduce everything around you to the Lowest Common Denominator.
You're desire to view the world in a negative light doesn't change reality for the rest of us.
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Not sure why you call it negative...? I call it logic.

You always find the LCD when doing any research, that identifies the commonalities that given objects have. So for example, let's take soldiers. They all wear the same color uniform when they're on the parade ground. One might be a general, one a private -- but they have that in common, hence we have an LCD. They both get paid by the US gov't, so we have a second LCD.

Private gets say $500 per month, and has 20 years in. He fixes tanks.
General gets say $5000 per month, and has 20 years in. He sits at a desk.

Which is the professional soldier?
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Not sure why you call it negative...? I call it logic.

You always find the LCD when doing any research, that identifies the commonalities that given objects have. So for example, let's take soldiers. They all wear the same color uniform when they're on the parade ground. One might be a general, one a private -- but they have that in common, hence we have an LCD. They both get paid by the US gov't, so we have a second LCD.

Private gets say $500 per month, and has 20 years in. He fixes tanks.
General gets say $5000 per month, and has 20 years in. He sits at a desk.

Which is the professional soldier?
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They are both Professional but at different levels. In other words not equal. They have different roles in the Military. The General can order the Private but the Private cannot order the General. Again there are stages in every Career and profession. To carry your analogy a bit further, A Medic is a Soldier however his primary status is just that a Medic.
 
ahoustondj said:
They are both Professional but at different levels. The General can order the Private but the Private cannot order General. Again there are stages in every Career and profession.
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So, define the levels of professional...

Is it like how hurricanes are defined?
 
SoftJock Rick said:
So, define the levels of professional...

Is it like how hurricanes are defined?
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Maybe!
Brunettes, Blondes and redheads are all gals but Redheads stand out more! :laugh: I like it when they are Professional Redheads ummmmm well, that statement should be Natural redheads, eh?
 
Jeff

The answer to your question is yes. It is the sum total of the DJ work that was done during the year achieving the $50,000 plus figure that makes him a professional compared to the DJ that charges 1000 for unlimited time but only did it 13 times during the year. Unless you are under the belief that the $1,000 DJ is more professional then the $800 DJ who is more professional then the $600 DJ who is more professional then the $400 DJ who is more professional then the $200 DJ. Is that how you determine the Professional level of the DJs you are studying.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Not sure why you call it negative...? I call it logic.

You always find the LCD when doing any research, that identifies the commonalities that given objects have. So for example, let's take soldiers. They all wear the same color uniform when they're on the parade ground. One might be a general, one a private -- but they have that in common, hence we have an LCD. They both get paid by the US gov't, so we have a second LCD.

Private gets say $500 per month, and has 20 years in. He fixes tanks.
General gets say $5000 per month, and has 20 years in. He sits at a desk.

Which is the professional soldier?
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The Professional solider was determined when you selected the minimum amount of money that a Professional Solder would make a year much like my $50,000 money figure for a minimum amount for a Professional DJ. For the Professional Soldier anything less then $6,000 a year is not a Professional Soldier.
 
Cesar said:
Jeff

The answer to your question is yes. It is the sum total of the DJ work that was done during the year achieving the $50,000 plus figure that makes him a professional compared to the DJ that charges 1000 for unlimited time but only did it 13 times during the year. Unless you are under the belief that the $1,000 DJ is more professional then the $800 DJ who is more professional then the $600 DJ who is more professional then the $400 DJ who is more professional then the $200 DJ. Is that how you determine the Professional level of the DJs you are studying.
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I would guess that the DJ doing 250 gigs@$200 would be making less than the guy doing 25@$1000. I would guarantee the guy doing 250@$200 is making alot less than the guy doing 40@$1000. There are costs to every gig the more you do the higher the expense. I can only assume you are referring to gross income not net
 
Cesar,
about 40 or 50 pages back, you used the phrase "professional lawyer".
There is no such thing. You are a lawyer, or you are NOT! If you pass the test, you're in.
Since there is no test for a DJ, and no rule stating a required minimum income...
then is there no official guidleline for becoming a "professional" DJ.
Only the guideline you dreamed up in this thread to boost your own ego.
 
DJ JohnThe1 said:
Holy s h i t! I swear only CeeZaa can spark a 10 plus page debate.. CeeZaa is my buddy..:cool:
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With Cesar and MixMasterMachoMachoMan, you won't need any more.
 
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