I'm a passive system guy but with powered speakers if your gain structure is set properly I don't see a problem that's what all the little lights are for 
Help me define my new system
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From the perspective of someone who uses both passive and powered rigs I can say one definitive thing about the SRX715's.......you take a Crown I-Tech with 1200/side and drive a pair, pick yer poison for the woofers however they had better be able to keep up. For a reasonably small 2 way, the 715's kick serious butt.
There's a place for everything. The choices you can agonize over. I've heard the JTR stuff and the Orbit Shifters are a force to be reckoned with. I have considered these as my next move should I decide to move away from the pair of SR4719X dual 18" boxes I use for big events. Although the newer neodymium dual 18" JBL cabinets are on my radar as well. "I have a BIG van!"
I'm actually glad I'm not in Steve's shoes......the choices! A tough call.....which way to go........
Best,
Paul
There's a place for everything. The choices you can agonize over. I've heard the JTR stuff and the Orbit Shifters are a force to be reckoned with. I have considered these as my next move should I decide to move away from the pair of SR4719X dual 18" boxes I use for big events. Although the newer neodymium dual 18" JBL cabinets are on my radar as well. "I have a BIG van!"
I'm actually glad I'm not in Steve's shoes......the choices! A tough call.....which way to go........
Best,
Paul
Who in their right mind would use a pair like those ...
I hear these once a week. Lots of mid and high end from (8) 4.5" angled drivers. The sub (controller) that can be used with it can rattle pretty good too (and IS heavy). The 802's are a direct DJ application. The L1's (and bass bins) - not so much IMO.
Steve, I own a M2 L1 setup (double bass). For my taste, it doesn't have even thump to really even do a lot of my weddings justice. It is entirely compact and you'll get some mileage in sales with the brides by throwing out the name but in reality, it's not a good solution. The tonematch mixer sounds good and has some nice features but it's ridiculous trying to navigate thru menus on a gig.
I am now charging an extra $200.00 for stairs or troublesome access. That money pays for manual labor help. If I know the staff at the venue, I slip one guy a $50.00 bill and he is quite happy to help. The Process Rack (Includes two amps) and Amp Rack (When I an running true three way) are the two heaviest pieces. In most cases, venues with stairs here in Houston are mandated to have elevators for the disabled, so I rarely have an issue. Things might be different where you are.
It sort of looks like the L1s are a linear version of the 802s. The drivers are smaller, but there are more of them, so maybe the total effect is similar. I do need to hear both.
I, myself, prefer the sound of the 802's to the L1's (heard them at a bar in KY). He had 6 bass bins too (3 per side) - not much bass (could have been his configuration tho).
So far, these are on the radar:
Tops: QSC KW153/KW152/KW122, JBL SRX715/PRX615/PRX635, Bose 802/L1, JTR Triple 8
Subs: QSC KW181, JBL PRX618-XLF, JTR Growler, Danley TH-Mini, Yorkville LS608, RCF 705/905
Any other suggestions?
Tops: QSC KW153/KW152/KW122, JBL SRX715/PRX615/PRX635, Bose 802/L1, JTR Triple 8
Subs: QSC KW181, JBL PRX618-XLF, JTR Growler, Danley TH-Mini, Yorkville LS608, RCF 705/905
Any other suggestions?
I would suggest that when you listen to any of them, try to have someone that REALLY knows the product demo them for you.
first time i heard the k12's, I didn't think much of it. then I got a demo from a person that worked at QSC as thought is was excellent
first time i heard the k12's, I didn't think much of it. then I got a demo from a person that worked at QSC as thought is was excellent
My point is, what is the point. I do not have to lift it. I would take a 400 lb rack on wheels any day over three modules weighing 100lbs each that I have to lift then connect. Thats a slam dunk decision for me, a no brainer. Of course I have a van & ramp so that is a definite advantage.
If you read the specs Steve, you will see that some added features and benefits are that those cabinets are made to take abuse and can be setup outdoors in all kinds of weather. Being live sound affiliated, they are great for vocals when doing Karaoke. You have to give Bose credit for their designs in Vocal projection, they sound natural. Always remember, the Controller needs to be used. You can add whatever Sub/Bass you want.
If you decide to go the route, I believe that you can get 18 months free financing from these folks. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=Bose 802The 802 is not listed on this page but as a dealer, I am sure they can order it for you. Maybe you can be able to test it out for a Trial period. I can put you in touch with someone at Sweetwater who can help you, just PM me for the direct phone number. Tech support for 2 years and free shipping is an added bonus to the free financing.
EDIT: Link added above.
Certainly don't know this for sure, but it's possible that the person wasn't using an additional amp for more than 2 bass bins per side. Some just assume you can keep daisy chaining them...you can't..or at least shouldn't. I've seen this a few times. I've also seen people not using the proper setting. It's kind of like buying a digital SLR camera and only using the auto setting. You can do it, but you are not utilizing a lot of what you are paying for.
For me, with the proper settings, I've never needed more than 2 bass bins per side. I tried 4 once to hear the difference, and I thought the bass was waay too noticeable.. To me, bass is like make up on a girl. When done right, it really enhances the beauty. But if the first thing you notice about a girl is her make up, then it's too much.
I agree in most part with your statement Scott, however it will depend on the type of event and venue. I think, (correct me if I am wrong) that you mainly do weddings so that mentality and application may prevail in those settings. Taken to a big hall or Club and even Gym, the music may call for being bass heavy. I would not be able to do a Hip Hop Production at one of my clubs even with two L1s and four of its Bass bins.
Well, the weight and size for me ARE issues, so each piece needs to be handled by me and fit in my SUV. SO .. that limits the weight to a liftable maximum of 80-85#, or I risk issues with the back. My current Yorkvilles are too large to lift, so they're mostly tilt and slide (unless I get stairs and then I need assistance) .. I want to get away from that if I can. The tops need to be liftable onto a stand, but once you start getting up there in weight (My U15s are 81#), we're getting close to pole maximums anyway, but the JBL PRX612s are pure delight.
Overall size is somewhat important, as I would like to be able to get my whole live sound system in (which I can't do currently as the subs laying down take up a lot of the space). That would normally be the tops, subs, monitors, amp rack (if necessary), mixer rack, stage rack, etc. If I remove 1 sub, I'm good, but my goal is to fit it all in if needed.
Overall size is somewhat important, as I would like to be able to get my whole live sound system in (which I can't do currently as the subs laying down take up a lot of the space). That would normally be the tops, subs, monitors, amp rack (if necessary), mixer rack, stage rack, etc. If I remove 1 sub, I'm good, but my goal is to fit it all in if needed.
Like you said, it may be different in different cities. In the Cleveland area, there are some older places that have even a few steps that makes rolling all the time difficult or impossible. It's just nice to not have to concern myself as to if there are steps or not and needing to count on someone else.
Plus, being able to easily move components from one area to another is a great plus. Many times when we do a ceremony on site, but in a different spot from the reception, we can offer to then take that system and move it to a patio and it wirelessly connects to the main system. While you can do that with any system, using something like a L1(I'll typically use a compact in this situation...because I have them) makes it VERY easy for us and is a great selling tool. No second person needed....any additional fees are all profit. I'm doing that tomorrow.
Please note: I'm not saying one way is right and another is wrong. We are talking different cities, different venues, different events...completely different situations.
Yep, having not seen the clubs, big halls, or a gym that you've worked in, and the type of events you do, I certainly couldn't say that they would work for you. I also agree that with the majority of the events I do being weddings, that mentality and application is prevailing. But the weddings I do, at least in my opinion, call for loud, "clubbish" type music with good bass, at least late at night...and we have no problems. But we are also talking 200-300 people typically, so way too many variables.