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Looks better but I would kill the "if you are willing to make a few concessions" part and keep the quality of services part. You can still be completely upfront and honest without selling yourself short.

Done! Thanks Mike.

Lastly, and as I've mentioned before Tom by far puts up the most compelling posts. Christ, this is his first one in months and it's on fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire! :)

I aim to please. :triwink:
 
So what do we all think people think when they see an overweight/Obese DJ show up... no matter what they are wearing?

Seems to be a lot of tubbies around (270 myself). Most of the DJs I have met are fat, the young ones tend to be slimmer, some of the older ones too, but the 30-50 range seem to be rather robust in the middle.

Do we not think that also says something to the guests at a party?

I agree. I am sitting at around 240 myself. After the holidays I plan to change that. I have gotten inspiration from Papa's thread.
 
The amount of money being spent has ZERO bearing on the amount of respect the institution warrants.

A wedding is not a celebration, it is a solemn, legal commitment. The reception is the celebration in honor of the commitment.

A wedding CEREMONY is not a celebration, it is a solemn, legal commitment. A wedding RECEPTION is a celebration.

Most weddings at the lodge are reception only. They either have the ceremony at a church or at the courthouse.

Still, we now live in the 21st century and formality is dieing. People are throwing away many of the old and stuffy traditions for a more relaxed style.

In today's world you have to find every opportunity you can to relax because those opportunities are becoming fewer and far between.
 
I think what you guys are missing is Tommy is making no bones about what he offers and he stated it's a hobby. These days it's acceptable to wear a polo and slacks to a wedding as a guest why would the entertainer overdress

Is it? In whose mind?

and should it be?

It's about presenting yourself as a legitimate professional. If you went to see a lawyer about a critical legal matter and he were was wearing a polo, with chest hair popping, jeans and sneakers with an unkempt office; what woiuld be your impression?

I went to a dentist once; he had what looked to be very old equipment, hadn't updated his decor...never went back again.

If you don't want to present yourself as a professionnal don't expect to be perceived as one. If you want to be perceived as a hobbyist, dress and present yourself like one.

Again Jeff; no one is talking a tuxedo. I think for a wedding, unless it is an uber casual thing; one should dress at laest to the standards of the bulk of the guests...
 
So what do we all think people think when they see an overweight/Obese DJ show up... no matter what they are wearing?

Seems to be a lot of tubbies around (270 myself). Most of the DJs I have met are fat, the young ones tend to be slimmer, some of the older ones too, but the 30-50 range seem to be rather robust in the middle.

Do we not think that also says something to the guests at a party?

I don't know TJ...what's you're point. Just because you're "robust" in the middle doesn't mean you can't present youirself professionnally.
 
I think there are greater challenges to our industry than if someone can do a double windsor knot or not. Lets work on educating the people about the benefits of hiring legal and licensed DJs who have some actuall know how behind a mike/table. This is really just ignoring the elephant in the room.

How often do you argue with your wife/GF over something stupid only to find out there was something else at the root of it?

I think this is the same kind of deal.

Wrong - the issue of presenting ones self professionnally goes to the exact same thing; being perceived a a legimate industry.

I would have thought you, of all people, would see this....
 
I stayed out of this for a couple reasons. I normally wear a black suit, dress shirt and tie. On a few occasions where the couple says they are going less formal I wear less formal clothes.

I believe in different areas, different attire is OK. A lot of guests in my rural areas come in T-shirts, some nice, crisp shirts but some are also concert T's. It just depends on the nature of the people.

The last wedding I DJ'd, I wore a Nickelback concert T shirt. It was a Halloween party/reception and I had that under my costume. It was so hot that a lot of guests took their costumes off as did I.

I see no problem with polo and slacks. As long as the clothes are clean, pressed and you are cleaned up like shaved and decent hair cut.

I think it has a lot to do with your region, what your clients think and like Tom said, what Kind of venue.

I will still wear my suit unless asked or told to do other wise by my clients.
 
As long as they don't show up like this things should be OK :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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It's about presenting yourself as a legitimate professional. If you don't want to present yourself as a professional don't expect to be perceived as one.

Ding ding ding - winner!

Thanks Steve...I couldn't have said it better myself.

Tommy is semi-retired and is a self-proclaimed hobbyist - fine for him.

I want my clients to know I am NOT a hobbyist and dress is part of that.
 
Ding ding ding - winner!

Thanks Steve...I couldn't have said it better myself.

Tommy is semi-retired and is a self-proclaimed hobbyist - fine for him.

I want my clients to know I am NOT a hobbyist and dress is part of that.

I see, so the only way to be a legit professional is to wear a suit or tux?
 
I see, so the only way to be a legit professional is to wear a suit or tux?

No - If you want your business to be perceived as a legitimate business, not just a guy looking to make some beer money; you present yourself accordingly.

Patrick - I never said a suit or tux.....

If you showed up at the dentists office for a root canal (first visit) and he was wearing a grateful dead shirt with shorts; would you let him dig around in your mouth?
 
No it's not the ONLY way. There's many other factors to consider. Dress and personal appearance is just one of them - albeit very important to me.

You and I have different standards for our dress code.

That's all. You have your way and I have mine.

Let's celebrate our differences.

In my area, a casually dressed DJ in NICE venues WOULD be frowned upon.

That's the fact - like it or not. But it may be different in your area.
 
No - If you want your business to be perceived as a legitimate business, not just a guy looking to make some beer money; you present yourself accordingly.

Patrick - I never said a suit or tux.....

If you showed up at the dentists office for a root canal (first visit) and he was wearing a grateful dead shirt with shorts; would you let him dig around in your mouth?

Yes, and you know why? Because I am so completely hung up on looks to give a damn what the person is wearing. Can he/she do the job is all I care about.
 
Im laughing so hard at the bully like mighty than thou side of this conversation. Thom said he has no interest in doing anything different yet some just must fight tooth and nail to downgrade such a thought. Bottom line is. If a person is as busy as they want to be or better and they wear a football uniform to all of their gigs they are achieving their goals and the clients helping them reach those goals apparently are cool with it. Why talk down Steve to folks who likely do as many or more gigs than you do in a yr? Just curious.
 
OK...forget it...I'm not getting into this anymore Patrick.

Let's just agree to disagree. As I said before you have your way and I have mine - bravo. Let's celebrate our differences.

Don't get upset because I have a more stringent dress code for myself.

I like getting dressed up and looking formal for a formal event.

If you dress a little more casual for those same events - that's fine. Go for it.

'Nuff said - I'm outta here......
 
Can he/she do the job is all I care about.

...and not having been to that office before, how do you make that determination?

Do you consider the cleanliness of the office? Do you ask yourself why the so-called professional can't seem to afford up to date equipment, or perhaps present himself in a clean dentists smock....

It's all about perception; I walk into an unkempt office and the dentist presents himself looking like he's just gotten out of bed, my perception and desire to use his services will wane....

Can he/she do the job? anyone can do the job; some not so well....
 
Steve, I have learned long ago to not pay attention to how people appear to be, because most of the time, it is superficial at best. I am much more comfortable dealing with someone who does not want to put on a false appearance.

I think Dunlopj hit the nail on the head. It is all about what you are comfortable with. I personally am completely uncomfortable in dress clothes. I am not confident and can not perform to the best of my abilities like that.
 
Who said they dont care

in regards to a clean workspace and neat and clean clothing? Your really not adding detail to your defense since no one has said I plan on wearing my unwashed laundry and with my hair not combed along with a shoddy work area. :triconfused: The thread is in fact about a Craigslist ad. Whats there to debate?
...and not having been to that office before, how do you make that determination?

Do you consider the cleanliness of the office? Do you ask yourself why the so-called professional can't seem to afford up to date equipment, or perhaps present himself in a clean dentists smock....

It's all about perception; I walk into an unkempt office and the dentist presents himself looking like he's just gotten out of bed, my perception and desire to use his services will wane....

Can he/she do the job? anyone can do the job; some not so well....
 
Im laughing so hard at the bully like mighty than thou side of this conversation. Thom said he has no interest in doing anything different yet some just must fight tooth and nail to downgrade such a thought. Bottom line is. If a person is as busy as they want to be or better and they wear a football uniform to all of their gigs they are achieving their goals and the clients helping them reach those goals apparently are cool with it. Why talk down Steve to folks who likely do as many or more gigs than you do in a yr? Just curious.

Tuck - Nobody is bullying nobody. We're all engaging in a civil discussion. Why do you always have a problem with that?


I see all this complaining about bottom feeders; undercutting, stealing gigs.

Maybe part of the problem is that some don't think a little thing like presentation can affect the general publics perception...Guess not....

Sorry for offending your delicate sensabilities. Next time you can lead the discussion; I definitely need a good laugh.