djsarge
Mac Daddy DJ
DjDennis
RIP- My Dad (2011), Sister (2013) and Mum (2017)
...but not to the exclusion or selfish disregard of the invited family and guests.
If so, that would have been revealed and discovered early on and cause for me to decline participation. I make every effort to work for wedding clients that have at least as much regard as I do for their family and the potentially reaffirming celebration they are planning. The image in my mirror is already difficult look at, no need to make it mentally repulsive by willingly and knowingly abandoning my beliefs for money.
While I find that Purple Dino annoying, I was never offended by him. If Barney truly offends you, immediately seek counseling as there are deeper issues that need attention! LOL
As to pleasing everyone, you and I and even Rick (your choice) know that is not feasible. However, being unoffensive is absolutely attainable!
But regardless of that debate, the present subject, the garter removal and the particular song, is clearly different and outside any flawed please everyone theory or argument.
I do not and cannot imagine a father or many husbands that would not be offended by the unnecessary and hopefully unwarranted association of their daughter or new bride with the vulgar act of stripping. If an entertainer at my daughter's wedding facilitated that or irresponsibly took it upon himself to create that circumstance, the result would be so nonbeneficial to him as to be debilitating.
Associating my daughter, or anyone's daughter for that matter, with whorish activity by playing the stripper song during the garter ceremony is as offensive as playing racist, "nigger" ladden songs would be at an African-American client's wedding, or ever for my ethics. David Allen Coe sells thousands of CDs, he don't offend everyone, but enough to count.
Fortunately and maybe effectively I have not had any Wedding clients that were unwilling to consider others in the planning. It don't always suck to be me. :triwink:
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Maybe they just never had anyone undesperate or confident enough to suggest anything that might require real thought or consideration.
I consider my involvement in their wedding day as a fortunate opportunity and responsibility. If it were just a job to grab some lettuce, I'd stop doing it in a heartbeat.
Agreed
Agreed. We're in the same boat.
You nor I may find him offensive - but someone does. I shall seek immediate ODJT counseling.
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Agreed. Example, play some explicit songs and see how fast the show changes (that was not a jab at you Rob - it was a general example).
Agreed, kinda. Some people don't want to participate in this because it won't please everyone.
Agreed - Like you said earlier, that's why we make it classy.
While I understand your logic, of all people, the BG's are not linking this song to 'whorish' activity. They're playing it up on what some might consider a racy song. They're having fun - at their own expense. Like you, I won't tolerate nor condone 'whorish' behavior at my shows. These are all done tastefully - with or without the stripper song.
I have had some that do consider others - and others that don't. Where we stop offering our services may differ but we both have dealt with these scenarios. It don't always suck to be me neither. =)
Agreed - most of the time, I drag my clients through the mud about their options - because they don't know what they are - until I go over them with them. They really think it's this simple meet up, play these - blah, blah, blah. EVERY time - I hear: "I never knew there was this much involved in this".
Same here.
Don't expect a reach around just you happen to be in agreement with everything I wrote!:triwink:
Joker probably has it right on the nose. I did a few like this in the 90s the fad wore off quick though. I also didn't mention the going back to the room thing either
I told you way back that we were saying the same thing - this isn't a sudden agreement.
Mostly but not totally...You still appear have a client is always right component that would allow you to drop the stripper song on a bride's garter ceremony and I would not. I'm trying to learn why that is.
The reason I, and would suspect most with any substantial or established experience, participate in these forums is to consider and learn from the finesse stuff, the uncommon details, the whys and not the hows. Honestly, we already know the majority of the hows. We've developed and/or learned how, typically the hard way through lots of trial and error and not by some pompous or rare capacity.
So that is why I am tenacious, and admittedly selfishly about the exchange, the discussion, the thoughtful debate, primarily with individuals whose opinions I trust because I have had enough evidence to see value in those opinions.
I guess it akin to the wisdom or lesson in the "Give a man a fish" parable. I am always looking to develop some fishing skills while trying not to capsize the boat.:triwink:
It's not that the client is always right but for what the client wants, they are right. They hire me to advise and assist them in planning their show. I can and do advise them on both the possible positive's and negative's of events at a show. I think the hang up we're having a disagreement on is the use of The Stripper Song and it's "whorish" related activities. If you look back over time, while The Stripper is a burlesque type song, it is not only used in whorish or burlesque activities. It is used widely for many different things. It's not an offensive song, nor activity, provided it's performed with taste. I can use any song and make the garter removal tasteless. I leave it up to them. As a benefit, there are NO words - which makes the link to it being tasteless even less. If the BG was asking for something like Crank Dat, I would back down because that truly is demeaning and offensive to women.
Here, we have a song that has been around for eons that most generations have listened to and enjoyed in various settings - some could be offensive and others could be a group of child dancers performing a line dance kick to - think NY Rockettes type stuff.
Should we remove the garter removal because it could be seen as sexual, offensive or whorish in content? This is another one I leave up to them. I have had couples that simply don't want to partake in the garter / bouquet events. By the same token, if you're an adult and want explicit lyrics at your show, you should be able to get that - but you won't get it from me. I completely understand your logic of whorish activities and I don't condone that neither - but I don't believe that's what's occurring during this event, with this song.
Agreed - I hope to learn, share, assist and teach and believe I have done all and will continue to. Met great people like yourself that can show me a side that I might never have thought of, seen or considered.
Same here. I love this place. You guys ROCK!
I am too. Let's go fishin'
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Just because it has been done, regardless of duration or demand, doesn't mean it should!
At the end of the day, the finesse in this, our discussion hinges on the different analysis and/or connotation of the "stripper" association. Being a Dad to daughters precludes me from and serves as reason as to why I will not participate in playing the stripper song or facilitate any associatively vulgar behavior toward another Father's daughter.
P.S. :triwink:As to any actual fishing expedition, call me when the fillets are coated in corn meal/flour and swimming in bubbling oil in a black iron skillet or the Redfish is on the grill!
Based on past fishing trips, I apparently excrete a potent fish repellent. My Father in law could catch fish at a cattle auction...unless I'm on board. :triwink:
At the end of the day, the finesse in this, our discussion hinges on the different analysis and/or connotation of the "stripper" association. Being a Dad to daughters precludes me from and serves as reason as to why I will not participate in playing the stripper song or facilitate any associatively vulgar behavior toward another Father's daughter.
P.S. :triwink:As to any actual fishing expedition, call me when the fillets are coated in corn meal/flour and swimming in bubbling oil in a black iron skillet or the Redfish is on the grill!
Based on past fishing trips, I apparently excrete a potent fish repellent. My Father in law could catch fish at a cattle auction...unless I'm on board. :triwink:
I also am a dad and I completely understand your side. Just keep in mind that not everyone has a negative association with that song. I agree and would also not tolerate any vulgar, offensive, etc behavior toward anyone's daughter.
Alright, now we are getting somewhere.
How can there be no such association?
How is it any different, in the final analysis, from Crank Dat?
The song is named for and purposefully, intentionally associated with the a specific and vulgar act.
Weren't we getting somewhere before?
How can there be just a negative association? Number 1, there are no words.
Crank Dat directly tells you via the words. Crank Dat wouldn't be half bad without the words - the instrumental is great!
If you look up info on it, he actually didn't know what to name it. It was originally released as a B-Side to Ebb Tide. Burlesque back then wasn't all about the modern day strip tease. It was (and in some places, still is) an art.
Some more info on the song in question:
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The Stripper (From Wikipedia)
"The Stripper" is an instrumental composed by David Rose and recorded in 1962. It evinces a jazz influence with especially prominent trombone lines, and evokes the feel of music used to accompany striptease artists.
The piece features in the films Slap Shot, Used Cars, The Full Monty and Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit as well as TV series Monty Python's Flying Circus, The Persuaders, The Golden Girls, Maude, Coupling, Little Britain, Are You Being Served?, Keeping Up Appearances, Drawn Together, Black Books and Scrubs. It was also famously used in a parody by British comedy duo Morecambe and Wise, where they danced to the tune while making breakfast. A PG Tips tea commercial featured a parody of the Morcambe and Wise sketch with Johnny Vegas and Monkey making a cup of tea in a similar manner.
In the 1970s, English hard rock band The Sweet always used the original song as an intro to their performances.
American hard rock band Mötley Crüe occasionally used the original song as an intro during performances in the late 80s, most notably at the one-time Moscow Music Peace Festival which was held in August 1989.
Rod Stewart has also used this song as an intro on several tours, like on the Tonight I Am Yours-Tour.
A famous Noxzema shave-cream advertising campaign developed by the William Esty Advertising Agency used the piece as background music for a television commercial that featured Swedish model Gunilla Knutson telling men to “Take it off! Take it all off!”. Cut to closeups of the faces of men shaving with safety razors, the razor strokes coinciding with the emphatic parts of the tune.
The song reached number one on Billboard magazine's Pop Singles and Adult Contemporary charts in 1962.
The late professional wrestler, Rick Rude, utilized this as his theme song.
Neo-Burlesque chanteuse Dita Von Teese cites this one of the best striptease songs of all time.
Billboard Hot 100 number one single
July 7, 1962 (one week)
Billboard Easy Listening number-one single
by David Rose
July 7, 1962
(two weeks)
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Even more info:
This is an instrumental song that is usually associated with a strip tease.
This was used for the TV program Burlesque. It accompanied a scene featuring a woman stripping off screen while two men argued on screen. This gave it a reputation as a song to take your clothes off to.
Rose wrote this in the last 10 minutes of a recording session in 1958. He didn't have a name for it, and referred to it as "a funny piece of music with no title." Later that year, Rose was asked to re-record the song "Ebb Tide" to help promote the movie "Sweet Bird of Youth" (with Paul Newman and Geraldine Page), which he quickly did, but the movie studio needed a B-side for the single, so this song, which was an unnamed, unreleased cut, was pulled from the vaults, given a name ("The Stripper") and placed on the B-side of the "Ebb Tide" single.
Los Angeles DJ Robert Q. Lewis popularized this by playing it on the air for 45 minutes straight and playing it whenever a listener requested ANY song.
When Rose performed in the Royal Albert Hall years later, he had no intention of including this in his repertoire, but he played it anyway after someone in the audience yelled out a request for it. Rose apologized to Albert Hall management afterwards.
The song was used back in the late 60s to early 70s as the background music for the commercial "Noxema" shaving cream . .. In the commercial a man would smeared the shaving cream on his face first while the music played , then shaved his face with the razor with the music. After he shaved , we would hear a woman in the background sing these words to the song : "The more that you shave ..The more you need 'NOXEMA'..etc." (something about the 3 or four different variety brands , and how close they strip you of your hair ).
When I was a dj some years ago, one of the games I did was to have a hula hoop contest and this was the song I played while they were doing it. It's especially funny when there are older people trying to hula hoop and they lose from laughing so hard.
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In present day America, which is where I presumed you perform, when the song in question is dropped on the garter ceremony, there can be no other connotation or association other than stripping in strip clubs and the objectifying, debasing activity therein.
Effectively, the original intention or purpose matters not at all. For a substantially sufficient time in the past, today, and for the foreseeable future, the "Stripper" song and present day stripping is not art.
Effectively, the original intention or purpose matters not at all. For a substantially sufficient time in the past, today, and for the foreseeable future, the "Stripper" song and present day stripping is not art.
When your guests are from several generations and we're talking about not offending anyone, then you certainly have to take that time into consideration. In present day america, Chubby Checker is not a hit. Should I not take his music (and it's history) into consideration? There can be and are other connotations and associations.
The original intent and purpose does matter - especially when you, the professional, can provide a background and history of such a song to your clients - who may think it is a negative song. For some of us, the job is to provide guidance to our clients (and others) about both sides of songs and events. Present day stripping is not an art and I didn't hint that it was. I said burlesque was. The strip tease can also be done very tastefully - ever been to some shows in vegas? Some of them (the classy ones) are hardly sexual or degrading to male or female.