And since you are a part timer your experience is extremely limited. I do not care about my guests religious believes. They belong to them and them alone. And since I invited them to celebrate our daughters wedding they to must respect mine, whatever they may be.
Now can I get an Amen!!!
Bothers again I say, can I get an Amen!!!
Tom,
All I can say is bless the brides who have turned you down. And bless those who won't mistakenly hire you since you've quite. Now go in a corner and pray.
Joe, Joe, Joe, I think Tom just called you a fool.:sqerr:
Where in that is any sense of community?
Freedom of religion includes the freedom from religion, including any lack thereof, or the use of someone elses property, time, and/or notoriety for the conspicuous display of practice or principle.
Yes, i suppose the implied subjugation to any diety could be just as offensive to an atheist as would the worship of a golden idol to you.
Allow me my God - and I shall allow you your idol, but let's agree not to transact with each other on religion where we can choose to meet in comfort, acceptance, and community.
I can not stop you from praying over your meal - but It is perfectly reasonable for me not to expect you or anyone else to make a scene out of it during my privately catered affair if it is something I find offensive.
What I conclude form this is not simply that you are religiously observant - but that you are a missionary and that you are carrying that mission into places without a full and honest disclosure of your intention.
I do not know how the groom could be alerted to your observance unless you were so conspicuous as to appear condescending or insulting to those without such observance?
The offense is not generally your practice of religion. It is conspicuously stepping out of the role you have agreed to undertake in order to benefit your mission.
I'm going to HELL!!!Just couldn't resist throwing that one in, could you Ron?
I'm going to HELL!!!
As well you should for bein' such a crappy host. You should be ashamed.
You are correct, I should be. Will you please say a blessing for me. Just wait til I'm done eating. I don't want to choke on a chicken bone.
That sounds very similar to a wedding I did last year at a DAVE.... most of the invited guests didn't even show and like yours they had already gotten out of their monkey suits.... heck dad was already in coveralls and a t-shirt long before most of the other guests arrived.....
The Grooms side was much better than the brides side.... and much more friendly too.
No such freedom ever existed.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
No where in that Amendment does the freedom FROM religion exist.
Congress simply cannot canonize (How you like that reference) one religion as official nor can they prohibit the practice of religion. I cannot dissect those words, in any fashion, so that it remotely establishes some right to freedom FROM religion.
Seems to protect the practice more than inhibit or limit to any degree.
The simplest of logical contortions makes it crystal clear that freedom from is the flip side of the "freedom of" coin. Otherwise, there is nothing whatsoever from stopping anyone - government or not - from forcing their religious beliefs onto you.
1. You claim for yourself the right to worship and believe as you please - do you not?
2. When asked to present a legal basis for this protection of your right to believe - where will you turn to? If there is no fundamental, written, legal protection, where is the basis for it?
3. On what grounds will you demand that people trying to take this right away from you be stopped? Hmmmm....?
4. On what grounds, if there is no legal protection for it, will you expect intervention from anyone else - especially at any sort of public, governmental, or official level - to come to your aid and protect your "right" to believe what you wish?
Think about it. The government is ONLY hindered in this way in the documents because the right of the individual to believe as they choose is held as a basic right. Is it not then a simple and even necessary realization that in order for the right of the individual to believe as they choose to be upheld, that they be protected from others (governmental in nature or not) forcing beliefs and practices on them?
It's really not that much of a stretch.:sqerr:
DjDennis
RIP- My Dad (2011), Sister (2013) and Mum (2017)
ok so where are all these other guys that are Dj's no posting of Wedding Agendas
is this mean you guys have no idea on what your doing , if so then speak up now or forever hold your agendas and dont get ask the really hard questions later when it counts
oh thats right all talk no action
have a nice day
is this mean you guys have no idea on what your doing , if so then speak up now or forever hold your agendas and dont get ask the really hard questions later when it counts
oh thats right all talk no action
have a nice day
LOL.
That means Congress shall make no law requiring you to be a Protestant, aetheist, or Scientoligist, etc.
Freedom from religious rule.
Sorry, I wasn't sure if you were arguing with me or with yourself. Should it be the latter just ignore this post.
Tom,
My only concern with what you've presented as your "experience" is this:
I have no issue with you knocking on my door to spread your word about God. Just be honest and courageous enough too makle that intention clear before you cross the threshold. By turning down non-religious brides perhaps that is what you are doing? I don't know. I would think that is an issue you would want to disclose well before you get to an interview?
Pray when and where you choose - just choose not to upstage someone else's moment in the sun when you do, and you'll be fine.
As far as a Bride asking me to tell peolpe not to pray? Well, unless the people were obviously and rudely staging their prayer as some form of politcal or religious statement - I too would have declined. In that instance I would simply hand the mic to the bride and let her settle her own score.
Dennis,
If I could post for you right now a wedding agenda for a weddig that does not yet exist - what does that say about the credibility of my promise to "customize" your event?
DjDennis
RIP- My Dad (2011), Sister (2013) and Mum (2017)
I can edit any document to suit any wedding!
and its not to Customize my event
but anything that I may have forgotten may be added or replaced with what you have shown
at least your making an effort by asking
but posting for others is far better than just asking about it
not like some others that cant be bothered
have a nice day
and its not to Customize my event
but anything that I may have forgotten may be added or replaced with what you have shown
at least your making an effort by asking
but posting for others is far better than just asking about it
not like some others that cant be bothered
have a nice day
Folks, many B&Gs miss the point that Tom has been trying to make here.
Weddings are nothing if not tradition. Tradition dictates that the bride should be a gracious hostess for her invited guests. Obviously, one does not invite guests to a wedding for the purpose of creating an uncomfortable situation.
On the other hand, guests should not RSVP with a personal agenda in mind. If guests are uncomfortable with the saying of grace before dinner, they should either send regrets or RSVP with the knowlege that grace will be said.
The traditional wedding party or reception exists so that the bride and her guests celebrate the most important day of her life ~ together. That's the important part.
Or so one would think.
Weddings are nothing if not tradition. Tradition dictates that the bride should be a gracious hostess for her invited guests. Obviously, one does not invite guests to a wedding for the purpose of creating an uncomfortable situation.
On the other hand, guests should not RSVP with a personal agenda in mind. If guests are uncomfortable with the saying of grace before dinner, they should either send regrets or RSVP with the knowlege that grace will be said.
The traditional wedding party or reception exists so that the bride and her guests celebrate the most important day of her life ~ together. That's the important part.
Or so one would think.
You continue with your contortions and I'll stick with actual definitions.
P.S. You keep lobbing up softballs and I'll keep swinging for the fence.
DjDennis
RIP- My Dad (2011), Sister (2013) and Mum (2017)
You continue with your contortions and I'll stick with actual definitions.
P.S. You keep lobbing up softballs and I'll keep swinging for the fence.
Thanks for continually reinforcing my point about your tactics and the nature of your contributions in the forum.
Folks, many B&Gs miss the point that Tom has been trying to make here.
Weddings are nothing if not tradition. Tradition dictates that the bride should be a gracious hostess for her invited guests. Obviously, one does not invite guests to a wedding for the purpose of creating an uncomfortable situation.
On the other hand, guests should not RSVP with a personal agenda in mind. If guests are uncomfortable with the saying of grace before dinner, they should either send regrets or RSVP with the knowlege that grace will be said.
The traditional wedding party or reception exists so that the bride and her guests celebrate the most important day of her life ~ together. That's the important part.
Or so one would think.
This is all true - but if the B&G's idea of celebration doesn't include religious accommodation or pandering, it should not be foisted upon them. The guests collectively aren't writing your check or signing the contract - they don't need the hired help for the event to champion their religious sensibilities - and that's not what we're there for.