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It's only taking advantage of the client if they feel like they didn't get what they paid for.[emoji4]


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Actually that can be answered very simply... are you getting word of mouth referrals or clients who were guests at your events? My example above of a client I just booked should be the feeling that all our guests experience at our events. I find most dj's are actually not getting lots of word of mouth referrals... otherwise their inquiries would be overwhleming after just a few years. In just 5 yrs doing this full time, just one event a day, and no formal advetising... I received over 300 personal inquiries for the year 2017.
 
... The definition is simple. Doesn't say anything about beatmixing, uplighting, photo boothing, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.[emoji1]

The reason SO MANY people think they can get some software and be a DJ is because THEY CAN![emoji1]

Not always easy to get people to pay you for it, though.[emoji1]
Youre right 1000%... all i've been saying is how to not be like everyone else, and actually stand out. I didn't go as far as to say it defines what a dj is. The confrontational aspect, from my end at least, is when others are saying beatmatching is negative, or that a guest would ever say , please don't blend them in a way that allows me to not stop dancing. I personally love it when dj's dont beatmix... it makes me look 1000x better. However, on this forum of friends and of those who seek to improve their profession... should we not be considerate of things to do to improve our services. Many go to the expo and seminars and local networking groups... what for if its not to be better. Buying lights doesn't make u better... buying an ddj-sz doesn't make u better... its the skills involved in lighting and djing and even photobooths that actually make the service you offer stand apart from the competition.

Here's a great one for many of you... at the Sweet 16 on saturday was a girl who was so amazed by what we did, her dad called me the very next day to see if i was available for a date in less than a month from now. It was a sunday, and I was available. He said he's cancelling the dj he had to book me because her daughter had never been to a sweet 16 like mine. Today the deposit and contract were returned.

Nothing you're doing IMO is negative... quite the opposite. But just because some other DJ chooses not to do all that you do, that's not necessarily negative either... just different.

I don't do Sweet 16's because I don't want to look like the creepy grandpa, but if I did, I'm not ever gonna be a 30-something again, so I can't do everything you do, or offer every option you offer. I could PAY other people to do those things on my behalf, but THAT would kinda defeat the purpose of why I started DJing to begin with.[emoji1]

I started my career as a computer programmer. I was NOT the best programmer in the company. I was an efficient programmer, always finished my projects on time, gave the user a workable stable product at a price they could afford, and could always find creative solutions to the customer's problems. I could talk to the customers in language THEY understood, and translated it into technology solutions. By the time I was 28, I was the Applications Development Manager. By the time I was 30, I was the IT Manager. Not because I was the best, or the smartest (I WAS probably the best looking[emoji1]), but because the company made money as a result of my applications.

I use the same approach as a DJ. I don't pretend to be something I'm not. I don't claim I can do something I can't. I talk to clients in language they understand, and we agree on what I'll do for them at their event. If I can't do or give the customer something they WANT, I tell them so up front, then they can choose if they want me as their DJ or not. I don't lose many potential clients to other DJ's.[emoji4]

I think what YOU do is GREAT![emoji4] If I was 30 years younger (and wanted to DJ for my living), I'd try to do EXACTLY what you're doing.[emoji4]
 
It's only taking advantage of the client if they feel like they didn't get what they paid for.[emoji4]


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Actually that can be answered very simply... are you getting word of mouth referrals or clients who were guests at your events? My example above of a client I just booked should be the feeling that all our guests experience at our events. I find most dj's are actually not getting lots of word of mouth referrals... otherwise their inquiries would be overwhleming after just a few years. In just 5 yrs doing this full time, just one event a day, and no formal advetising... I received over 300 personal inquiries for the year 2017.

ALL my clients are by referral. I do absolutely NO advertising, and do more events than I'd like... I'm actually taking a little hiatus.[emoji1] I have a network of contacts, friends, former clients , and wealthy business men from my IT days who call me for all their events for which they plan to use a DJ or MC... I even get hired by some of my former employees. And now, all of those contacts refer me to their friends and family members. I turn down weddings and other events from referrals all the time, because they want something different from what I'm willing to provide. There are a few events I now do EVERY year.[emoji4]


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Well said, Uncle Bob.

I think that if a mobile EJ (is that what would call an Event DJ ?) has all the other basic pieces in place and is looking to grow (not all of us are), expanding their desirability by becoming good at the actual craft of mixing might be the right thing to undertake.

However, there are lots of pieces that have a direct monetary impact on the business that need to be worked on first, like actually finding paying customers.
 
Sure, getting people to pay for what uncle bob could do is down right wrong. It’s taking advantage of the client.

Just because someone does something different than you, or holds a different opinion, does NOT equate them to being no better than "Uncle Bob". What a stupid, analogy, btw. THIS is why you're being an asshole. Stop calling people names or trying to put them beneath you, all over such a stupid, stupid issue as whether you beatmix or not. It's asinine.
 
Sure, getting people to pay for what uncle bob could do is down right wrong. It’s taking advantage of the client.

To all you music players, what do you say you offer. What is it that you are selling that is different that what another event or mobile dj offers???????

I'm not Uncle Bob....

I do 50+ events every year...I turn down many more beside that and I'm top 3 in my market on price. A solid 85% of my gigs are referrals many don't ask a price they ask if the date is open and to send a contract. I don't need to tell people what I do they know what I do and that's why they book me. As I said above I have more that ask me about cutting songs off or being too much like the club than I do any other question.

I did lot's of beatmixing in the late 80's and early 90's in the bars when it was hard to do. I was very good at it. It's a skill no doubt but it's not the be all and end all. If everyone was mixing tight what would you sell?

Now tell us how many do you book a year and how many are referral?
 
Jas is legit. And his rates are up there in the wedding market (they're actually on his site too). Hes also offered me guidance on a number of things in the past that I was unfamiliar with, especially in the serato world.

He does have a valid point though... what differentiates one dj from the other guy down the street? Putting aside appearances, and equipment, in the end our music selection and mixing style is what it really fundamentally comes down to. Now ones local market may not require much differentiation if there isn't a lot of competition and the emphasis on certain things may be played down... and if a client really wants something, they'll have to bring someone out of town in. But if you're in a market with some heavy competition like ricky in maryland is... the actual perfomance could benefit from a boost in skill.
 
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I agree Justin is legit .. I have talked with him and I believe I bought a Shure wireless mic from him a couple years ago.

There are MANY things that actually differentiate DJs, though it would be difficult to identify those on a website, since the ones who can't do it, tend to advertise they can anyway.

Every customer is looking for something different.
Every box you can check off gets you more notice.
Not every box is important to every client.
Not every DJ can have the looks I do

Peace :)
 
Taso, did you ever get a call from Robbie Tan? I referred you as he asked me to fly out and DJ, but was too much.
 
Jeff-

Mostly everyone in my area does MIX! It's who can do it better, and more creatively with perfect timing. Same thing that makes a famous DJ with a following better than the next. How entertaining is the performance?

Lyrical play, matching key, looping/sampling, scratching, the way the song comes in and out of the song in an exciting way, reading a crowd, and highly underrated, song choice is what separates one DJ from another. For example, If I was up against Taso, I would probably have them come check me out, listen to a mix or video, or come by my studio to watch a live set. It's up to them who they felt best could rock the party!

I know plenty of guys around here you can mix well, but it doesn't "tell a story," lacks energy, and is boring, kind of like what Pyro does.

Generally, everyone I compete against has.a mixtape. The client decides whos they like best. In fact, I even tell them to ask for a mix from a company you might be deciding on.

And with all due respect, I say, if they cannot provide you that, then they are simply pushing play, like Uncle Bob could do. I also say that you wouldn't hire a photographer without seeing pics, so why would you hire a DJ without hearing a sample.

Crap, I just pulled out more hair.
 
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Im not offended by someone not doing it... actually it just makes us that do look better... Im actually not offended in any way (I speak for myself only), but for the purpose of conversation, I can't understand why on a forum of dj's one would say beatmatching is a negative skill for an event (and to be clear I'm talking about beatmatching similiar bpms... not an 80bpm song with 128bpm... that requires different method of transitioning usually).

I don't recall anyone saying it's a negative skill. All that was said is that it's one of many skills that one could possess. In a perfect world, everyone would have every skill imaginable for every thing. How much fun would that be?
 
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... If dudes pay you to cut their hair, you're a Barber... If women pay you to cut their hair, you're a Hair Dresser. Doesn't matter what other Barbers or other Hair Dressers think, no matter how good they are at cutting hair!
If people hire you to DJ their events, you're a DJ. Doesn't matter if you can cut hair or not!

What if you cut hair .. while at an event? DJ Barber?
 
... If dudes pay you to cut their hair, you're a Barber... If women pay you to cut their hair, you're a Hair Dresser. Doesn't matter what other Barbers or other Hair Dressers think, no matter how good they are at cutting hair!
If people hire you to DJ their events, you're a DJ. Doesn't matter if you can cut hair or not!

What if you cut hair .. while at an event? DJ Barber?

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Jeff-

Mostly everyone in my area does MIX! It's who can do it better, and more creatively with perfect timing. Same thing that makes a famous DJ with a following better than the next. How entertaining is the performance?

Lyrical play, matching key, looping/sampling, scratching, the way the song comes in and out of the song in an exciting way, reading a crowd, and highly underrated, song choice is what separates one DJ from another. For example, If I was up against Taso, I would probably have them come check me out, listen to a mix or video, or come by my studio to watch a live set. It's up to them who they felt best could rock the party!

I know plenty of guys around here you can mix well, but it doesn't "tell a story," lacks energy, and is boring, kind of like what Pyro does.

Generally, everyone I compete against has.a mixtape. The client decides whos they like best. In fact, I even tell them to ask for a mix from a company you might be deciding on.

And with all due respect, I say, if they cannot provide you that, then they are simply pushing play, like Uncle Bob could do. I also say that you wouldn't hire a photographer without seeing pics, so why would you hire a DJ without hearing a sample.

Crap, I just pulled out more hair.

The guys here that have a mixtape don't generally get hired for any formal events and when they do it's because they are cheap
 
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Actually that can be answered very simply... are you getting word of mouth referrals or clients who were guests at your events? My example above of a client I just booked should be the feeling that all our guests experience at our events. I find most dj's are actually not getting lots of word of mouth referrals... otherwise their inquiries would be overwhleming after just a few years. In just 5 yrs doing this full time, just one event a day, and no formal advetising... I received over 300 personal inquiries for the year 2017.
Over 30 years in business busier than I really want to be has been all referrals for at least the past 25 years, and surprisingly I rarely beat mix
 
Over 30 years in business busier than I really want to be has been all referrals for at least the past 25 years, and surprisingly I rarely beat mix
Im not questioning anyone on here in if their business has succeeded or not and how it has. Listen I could be in business for 40yrs too... doesn't mean I did it at the highest level. I could be 30 yrs as a dj charging $375 a party and getting a bunch of low end referrals. My goal is to be in business for at least 20yrs at the top end of the market.
 
Good customer service seems to be more important than beat mixing when it comes to weddings (in most areas).
I know plenty with great customer service and do this full time... doesn't mean they're making enough or charging enough to be living comfortably. Why are they not able to make more... because they can't attract the clients willing to spend more cause they haven't reached that level.
 
The guys here that have a mixtape don't generally get hired for any formal events and when they do it's because they are cheap

Exact opposite where I have lived (TX, AZ, CA). Guys who don't have mixes don't get hired b/c they have nothing to show, other than they can talk about what they do. Any b/c of that, they are generally priced way below.

After this discussion, I can't wait to chat with my next inquiry. From here on out, I will absolutely be telling EVERY person that is interested to listen to other DJ mixes. I have done it every so often, but I am going to start using that line all the time.

It makes it super easy for the client to see the differences between companies.
 
Good customer service seems to be more important than beat mixing when it comes to weddings (in most areas).

I think good customer service is VERY important, and nearly equal to mixing, not just pushing play.

A good DJ offers both, not one or the other!
 
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