About to pull my hair out!!

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TinyTim

TinyTim

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Soooo, I don't know if I am just doing something wrong, or if my settings are out of wack in my software or what! Every single song I load onto a deck, once the software is done mapping the wave form, the BPMs change dramatically! I don't know if it makes a difference, but a lot of these songs, this is first time that I have loaded the track in the software because I am just starting out and am practicing with the software so that I don't look like a complete tool when I do actually do a gig!

Also, I have to manually reset the grid lines on every track because they are out of place. I would think that it would make sense for the first grid line for the first beat to be at the very beginning of the song! Is that not supposed to be the case? Am i looking at this all wrong? It is getting very frustrating!!

By the way, I am using Algoriddim's Djay Pro. Thanks in advance for any help/advice! Maybe I am just overthinking this whole thing! I have been known to do that a time or two! lol
 
Where did the BPM info initially come from if it changed?
 
steve149 said:
Where did the BPM info initially come from if it changed?
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When I pull up the playlist, it gives me the option to sort the list by BPM. I sort them that way so I can find songs that are close in speed to use to practice transitioning between songs.

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TinyTim said:
When I pull up the playlist, it gives me the option to sort the list by BPM. I sort them that way so I can find songs that are close in speed to use to practice transitioning between songs.

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Yes, but what populated the BPM field first?
 
steve149 said:
TinyTim said:
When I pull up the playlist, it gives me the option to sort the list by BPM. I sort them that way so I can find songs that are close in speed to use to practice transitioning between songs.

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Yes, but what populated the BPM field first?
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No idea. When I pulled up the playlist, the BPM field was already populated. Every playlist I have pulled up us the same way.

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I am using playlists from Spotify so that may be where the information is coming from.

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Normally the DJ software needs to run through the songs once to populate that field (unless you have BPM tagging software). I'm guessing the playlist might have it in there .. which is correct would be the question.
 
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steve149 said:
Normally the DJ software needs to run through the songs once to populate that field (unless you have BPM tagging software). I'm guessing the playlist might have it in there .. which is correct would be the question.
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So pretty much, I need to run all the music through the software to get accurate BPM readings. I guess that makes sense the more I think about it!

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From Page 62 of the manual - http://download.algoriddim.com/manual/djay Pro 2 Mac Manual.pdf

"When you first load a track into a deck, djay Pro 2 analyzes the file to create the visual
representation of the music, along with what it estimates is the correct beatgrid for the
music. This beatgrid is based on two things: the starting downbeat (ie the first beat of the
track), and the tempo (ie beats per minute) of the track."
 
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The BPMs still might not be accurate. Most of the should be, but some grooves and tempos mess with the algorithms used to calculate BPM. I find that some slow songs get calculated at 140 when they should be 70 for example. And some faster songs have a bass line the doubles up with the drums are playing resulting in a BPM that's doubled.
 
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If the field is already populated, the software is supposed to leave it alone. There are false positives and errors - it's not fool proof, especially if a computer is doing the calculation.
 
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Jas said:
The BPMs still might not be accurate. Most of the should be, but some grooves and tempos mess with the algorithms used to calculate BPM. I find that some slow songs get calculated at 140 when they should be 70 for example. And some faster songs have a bass line the doubles up with the drums are playing resulting in a BPM that's doubled.
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Back in the day before software doing it for you you had to listen to catch beats. I still think that's the best way because the software, depending on what your using, is very unreliable
 
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djtaso said:
That's how it should be lol... you all should disable sync!!! Lol sorry pet peeve of mine.
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But then I'd have to turn off my auto-mixer .. :)
 
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TinyTim said:
In my defense, I have yet to hit the dreaded "SYNC" button!!!! LOL I am doing my best to learn it the right way!
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O i was just messing around lol I never directed that at anyone in particular... but yeah it just looks better to see people adjusting the tempo and creating the mix. Anyways, no one should take that comment too seriously :)
 
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@TinyTim - You should run your music through the analyzer first, but also check settings. I don't know that software, but Serato has possible ranges you can set for music. A song at 75 bpm might be incorrectly interpreted as 150 if the range isn't set. So you may have a setting that is forcing the software to consider the music differently than it otherwise would.
 
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Jeff Romard said:
Back in the day before software doing it for you you had to listen to catch beats. I still think that's the best way because the software, depending on what your using, is very unreliable
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Yes, listen, count the beats and watch the clock right? Some people check their heart rate the same way. You can do the counting for 15 seconds then multiply by 4 too.

I use the sync button but I make sure everything sounds right thru headphones. Hitting sync doesn't always work the way you want it to :)
 
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djtaso said:
That's how it should be lol... you all should disable sync!!! Lol sorry pet peeve of mine.
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djtaso said:
O i was just messing around lol I never directed that at anyone in particular... but yeah it just looks better to see people adjusting the tempo and creating the mix. Anyways, no one should take that comment too seriously :)
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I'd certainly hope no one here ever takes us too seriously!!

However, IMHO, a really good set of headphones goes a lloonngg way helping with beat matching...and by a good set, I mean a set that gets loud, has good isolation, and can only cover one ear when you want (so you can easily listen to the main mix) without being ridiculously contorted.

Phil Morse at Digital DJ Tips used to have an excellent video on counting beats to the music, I'll try and find it. It's fun, even when you screw up (most of us are our worst critics), but super cool when done smoothly.
 
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