Would you say something if a client changed their mind at an event?

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Proformance said:
Because I'm the only stranger in the room. Everyone else is family and friends and they will all know in an instant - if I am blowing off my client.
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Thats an assumption based on a generic event you have in your mind... ive done tons of events where no one knows each other... no even knows exactly whos paying me... their desire seems to be to get in and out because they are there out of some social requirement...aka the bosses christmas party...etc

I try to set everyone at ease... and create a bonding experience....all the while glorifying my client... all my shows glorify my client...big or small... and always have cheers for that client throughout... if thats wrong...i dont want to be right

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djcrazychris said:
What i am trying to express is... i do not do this from a place of malace or disdain of my client....
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I agree, you are doing it from a place of fear.

I agree with your earlier point that we must gain the trust of the audience. You and I disagree however, on what that actually means. I also do not require a microphone to gain that trust, so I tend to see a lot more opportunity in the room and in the music to make that connection.

I'm going to leave your other comments alone and just suggest that you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope. You have it backwards - it's you that doesn't trust the audience, because you don't trust yourself to venture away from your own safety zone. Your client wants to go on a safari but, all your're willing to risk is a ticket to the zoo. Be bold, go big or go home. :)
 
When you do a grand entrance....when u give a client the co2 cannon... etc etc you glorify your client...

I glorify my client by taking their extreme genre choices (on the rare occasion it happens) and instead of making the room feel awkward... get the crowd on board... make the client the hero.... u guys should really try it... OBVIOUSLY NO YOU CANNOT DO IT IN A PASSIVE AGRESSIVE WAY... you have to celebrate it yourself... no only go with the flow...but turn it into a positive...

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djcrazychris said:
Thats an assumption based on a generic event you have in your mind... ive done tons of events where no one knows each other... no even knows exactly whos paying me...
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I'm a former nightclub jock - you're not fooling anyone with the "no one knows each other" thing.
You're a mobile DJ - everyone in the room knows who is paying you, and who you answer too. They know your client far better than you do, and they know each other even if just casually. That's the nature of the mobile DJ biz and you'd forget that at your own peril.

You're not wrong - just not as effective as you could be.
 
Proformance said:
I agree, you are doing it from a place of fear.

I agree with your earlier point that we must gain the trust of the audience. You and I disagree however, on what that actually means. I also do not require a microphone to gain that trust, so I tend to see a lot more opportunity in the room and in the music to make that connection.

I'm going to leave your other comments alone and just suggest that you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope. You have it backwards - it's you that doesn't trust the audience, because you don't trust yourself to venture away from your own safety zone. Your client wants to go on a safari but, all your're willing to risk is a ticket to the zoo. Be bold, go big or go home. :)
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If assumptions were golden you be 24k+.1%au.
 
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Proformance said:
I agree, you are doing it from a place of fear.

I agree with your earlier point that we must gain the trust of the audience. You and I disagree however, on what that actually means. I also do not require a microphone to gain that trust, so I tend to see a lot more opportunity in the room and in the music to make that connection.

I'm going to leave your other comments alone and just suggest that you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope. You have it backwards - it's you that doesn't trust the audience, because you don't trust yourself to venture away from your own safety zone. Your client wants to go on a safari but, all your're willing to risk is a ticket to the zoo. Be bold, go big or go home. :)
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lol...again you make huge assumptions about other dj's that sour the debate and make your viewpoint untrustworthy...

fear of man vs. wasting an opportunity to turn a negative into a positive...and at the same time building trust and saving the reputation as a company are two vastly different spectrums...

you have used this same "fear shaming" outlook many times....and its hilarious... i doubt any of us would choose this profession if we werent the biggest personality in the room.... my only fear would be to leave a disastrous party feeling like i didnt do my best to polish a turd....

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Proformance said:
I'm a former nightclub jock - you're not fooling anyone with the "no one knows each other" thing.
You're a mobile DJ - everyone in the room knows who is paying you, and who you answer too. They know your client far better than you do, and they know each other even if just casually. That's the nature of the mobile DJ biz and you'd forget that at your own peril.

You're not wrong - just not as effective as you could be.
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Another situation where u have no clue who your speaking to.... i was a nightclub dj for 17 years....

that being said...i dont even know what that has to do with anything...and your other ramblings are .... i ...i am not sure... i think we actually agree sorta? but i think we are talking about 2 different situations.... go answer the polka scenario ...lol

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again Proformance... you are happy to jabber on about how wrong we are....how much better you WOULD have handled it...and how afraid we are to be like you.... but not once have you explained how you would actually handled it.... lol...you say im not Yoda...but somehow YOU ARE... you magically play the music the client wants...and the crowd magically gets it.... all because you are a svingollie dj...

put up or shut up.... fix this problem for mix... how would the master handle it?

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And .... Did you know the Recording Academy DROPPED Polka as a Grammy Award category 10 years ago? I did not.



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djcrazychris said:
When you do a grand entrance....when u give a client the co2 cannon... etc etc you glorify your client...

I glorify my client by taking their extreme genre choices (on the rare occasion it happens) and instead of making the room feel awkward... get the crowd on board... make the client the hero.... u guys should really try it... OBVIOUSLY NO YOU CANNOT DO IT IN A PASSIVE AGRESSIVE WAY... you have to celebrate it yourself... no only go with the flow...but turn it into a positive...
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Chris, you're evaluating this approach on the basis of how it makes you FEEL - rather than how it is actually perceived by other people. When was the last time you had a manger or creative director observe and give you feedback on how you are working the room?

A C02 cannon is just an object, an effect. It doesn't change people's perception of the entertainer. We've all been to over-produced shows where the talent sucked. You have to be good on the empty stage first.
 
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djcrazychris said:
again Proformance... you are happy to jabber on about how wrong we are....how much better you WOULD have handled it...and how afraid we are to be like you.... but not once have you explained how you would actually handled it.... lol...you say im not Yoda...but somehow YOU ARE... you magically play the music the client wants...and the crowd magically gets it.... all because you are a svingollie dj...

put up or shut up.... fix this problem for mix... how would the master handle it?
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I too, am not Yoda. Why do young Jedi always feel so entitled to free training?

Everything above is your own words, not mine. So, from where inside yourself do you suppose they come? Fix that and the rest will follow.
 
Proformance said:
Chris, you're evaluating this approach on the basis of how it makes you FEEL - rather than how it is actually perceived by other people. When was the last time you had a manger or creative director observe and give you feed back on how well you are working the room?

A C02 cannon is just an object, an effect. It doesn't change people's perception of the entertainer. We've all been to over-produced shows where the talent sucked. You have to be good on the empty stage first.
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This is jibberish...lol

but the referrals that fuel my business are my critique...my creative directors... clients who fake smile and say i did a good job through their teeth do not get me referrals... my talent...and care for my client...no matter how bizarre their song ideas is what fuels my referrals... my clients hug me....they hug my wife...they call us to come to their family barbeques they ask us to dinner... i am a successful communicator... and a highly loveable guy....and that transcends me being just a hired dj....

you seem highly unlikeable...so i can see why u depend on other methods to get thru the night... and im sure youve purchased enough fancy equipment to look good on paper...and live in a large enough populated area to never have to see old clients again...and hook in new clients via some wedding wire style website... but i create relationships....because im not just a dj...im a friend

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djcrazychris said:
This is jibberish...lol

but the referrals that fuel my business are my critique...my creative directors... clients who fake smile and say i did a good job through their teeth do not get me referrals... my talent...and care for my client...no matter how bizarre their song ideas is what fuels my referrals... my clients hug me....they hug my wife...they call us to come to their family barbeques they ask us to dinner... i am a successful communicator... and a highly loveable guy....and that transcends me being just a hired dj....

you seem highly unlikeable...so i can see why u depend on other methods to get thru the night... and im sure youve purchased enough fancy equipment to look good on paper...and live in a large enough populated area to never have to see old clients again...and hook in new clients via some wedding wire style website... but i create relationships....because im not just a dj...im a friend
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Does this rant have a bibliography page? :)
 
djcrazychris said:
No..but Steve wrote the forward
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Well, you've arrived at the answer: approval seeking.

You've boiled it all down to being "likeable" and that is the basis for doing it the way you do. BTW - no one in this thread suggested you're customers don't thank you, hug you, or whatever. That's just assumed and yet - you went down that bitter road all by yourself.

I get that you don't want the crowd to "blame you" and that you want their approval. But, it's fundamentally dishonest even should the client acquiesce becasue as I said - if your client hires you to take them on safari and you respond by walking them around a familiar zoo, they will remember that as a limitation.
 
Proformance said:
...if your client hires you to take them on safari and you respond by walking them around a familiar zoo, they will remember that as a limitation.
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Kinda like if your client hires you to be a professional event entertainer and you respond by doing little more than a juke box/sound system rental, they will remember that as, at best, a limitation.
 
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Proformance said:
Well, you've arrived at the answer: approval seeking.

You've boiled it all down to being "likeable" and that is the basis for doing it the way you do. BTW - no one in this thread suggested you're customers don't thank you, hug you, or whatever. That's just assumed and yet - you went down that bitter road all by yourself.

I get that you don't want the crowd to "blame you" and that you want their approval. But, it's fundamentally dishonest even should the client acquiesce becasue as I said - if your client hires you to take them on safari and you respond by walking them around a familiar zoo, they will remember that as a limitation.
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Once again... just this once....prove your worth to the young padawans... tell us how to take the audience on a safari...we are bored with zoo's....

or continue blathering for the sake of blathering at some sort of foolish wizardry you believe you posess....

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ps- its obvious to us all that likeability isnt high on your priority list ... lololol
 
djcrazychris said:
....prove your worth
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I'm not seeking your approval, and what I've said doesn't require it.

That's your decision process, not wrong, not right, but also not mine.
You haven't learned any other way to be so, when the client's ideas don't align with your own - you go crowd sourcing for approval.
It's really that simple.

ps- its obvious to us all that likeability isnt high on your priority list ... lololol
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Exactly! You "liking" me has nothing to do with serving my clients interests. :)
 
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