Would you say something if a client changed their mind at an event?

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lol...at the end of the day...im not naive enough to misconstrue what brings you joy on this forum... you are one of many... a throng of people who turn their agression toward the faceless souls on the internet... spew out all your own insecurities by accusing others of having them.... a liar believes that everyone else is lying... because its all they know.... and this fact explains why you seem to know a lot...and deflect upon others this notion of dj insecurity or fear...

At the end of the day... you come here to feel better about yourself... everything is an argument...everything is belittling others... your no different than a fat 12 year old who comments on J Lo's Twitter how ugly she is...

Im not even sure your a dj...lol....

at any rate... i toast you...:cheers: "To a wonderful 2019...where you will be as predictably douchey as Mix is clueless" ... and thats what brings me back each and every day

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wifedj said:
Kinda like if your client hires you to be a professional event entertainer and you respond by doing little more than a juke box/sound system rental, they will remember that as, at best, a limitation.
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They've probably forgotten you by now. LOL.
 
wifedj said:
I happily accept any and all requests.
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wifedj said:
...and the debate rambles on with the submissive jukeboxes arguing which unnecessary submission is best.

If the "doing your job" is nothing more than acting as a sentient jukebox, then you do you boo-boo.
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So which is it?
 
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The most outspoken on this forum only know we are all wrong... they may not really know what right is...but they bet the farm we are wrong...

i can bet that no one who claims to have the answer to this has actually faced this exact scenario.... maybe a bride wanted Waterloo instead of Dancing queen...and they grinned and beared it .... but blasting house music during dinner is a delicate beast with no real answer... i submitted what i would do...and maybe its wrong... but it atleast was an educated answer with quantifiable results...as ive had scenarios like this before...

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djcrazychris said:
lol...at the end of the day...im not naive enough to misconstrue what brings you joy on this forum... you are one of many... a throng of people who turn their agression toward the faceless souls on the internet... spew out all your own insecurities by accusing others of having them.... a liar believes that everyone else is lying... because its all they know.... and this fact explains why you seem to know a lot...and deflect upon others this notion of dj insecurity or fear...

At the end of the day... you come here to feel better about yourself... everything is an argument...everything is belittling others... your no different than a fat 12 year old who comments on J Lo's Twitter how ugly she is...

Im not even sure your a dj...lol....

at any rate... i toast you...:cheers: "To a wonderful 2019...where you will be as predictably douchey as Mix is clueless" ... and thats what brings me back each and every day

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Is this a sampling of that "finesse" you were describing?
..and where does the parting shot of contempt for Mix fit into your aggresion theory?
 
Proformance said:
Is this a sampling of that "finesse" you were describing?
..and where does the parting shot of contempt for Mix fit into your aggresion theory?
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Bull...horns...

Mix knows his role as well...i wouldnt be surprised if hes actually a lawyer... playing us all for fun....id love it

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djcrazychris said:
Pro... let me ask you this..... if you took care of that clients needs....and played some offputting wacky innapropriate genre... how did they know it was your clients "taste" and not your own...

What i am trying to express is... i do not do this from a place of malace or disdain of my client....it cant be read into my voice because im being honest with everyone... and im lovingly accepting and celebrating the request of the client....i am saying to the entire crowd... guess what guys... we are gonna go a unique direction... and we are going to have so much fun... we are in this together...and i want you guys to celebrate our hosts desires...

How much better this approach is than simply blasting house music for 2 hours during dinner and cocktail all the while alienating all your crowd who dont quite know whats going on... and even if they love house music can see that something is amiss... and grow to distrust your choices by the minute... and THAT's why they high tail it out of there the minute the dessert hits their belly.... because the dj must be a nut job

And by the way... my method is for EXTREME situations... where the crowd would simply be stuck scratching their heads if no direction were given them... I promise you it works...and i promise you clients like this...in my past....have thanked me...and referred me.... my entire business is built on referrels...ive never paid so much as a dollar for advertising .... i hung out my shingle after taking 7 years off and didnt miss a beat... booked a solid year of gigs for the last 3 quarters of 2018 and have bookings up into the summer as we speak....

Some dj's dont even see the crowd... they dont connect... they dont LOVE or feel they NEED their trust and respect... i am the opposite... at any gig... i want the crowd to feel like we are in this together... to trust that im gonna take care of them... even if the client is trying to put a wedge in that trust...i can create a scenario where we all have fun....and the client is the hero... and the crowd cheers for them during final song... and the tip rolls in

A great dj i am
-yoda
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I mean if you're gonna get super specific about situations like that, well then there never is going to be a one size fits all solution. I was just thinking in terms of what pro said about referalls... but keep in mind referrals are typically people that are within the same general circle of people and have tastes that are relatively similar to a certain degree, so it's unlikely that one person will throw something at me that is wayyyy outside of that social groups norms. And should there be that one person... again being that it is a referral, a few people in the crowd will probably know that it wasn't my decision. They will probably also know that the person that hired me has interest in that style to begin with.

Either way, I personally didn't respond to mix directly as his situations are far from the social norms that exist.
 
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Jeff Romard said:
wifedj said:
I happily accept any and all requests.

wifedj said:
...and the debate rambles on with the submissive jukeboxes arguing which unnecessary submission is best.

If the "doing your job" is nothing more than acting as a sentient jukebox, then you do you boo-boo.

So which is it?
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Another extremist surfaces and demands answers that are founded on ignorance and reliance on simplistic, inflexible combativeness.

But, unlike your opinions about my country's governance, in this matter I respect your capacity and standing and will address your inquiry thus:

Accepting requests and behaving with more talent, skill and from a craftsman's P.O.V., as opposed to a subservient hand maiden's mentality, are NOT mutually exclusive.

In actuality, I propose they are equivalent tools in a professional's valuable arsenal, compatible as opposed to incompatible.

Again, I challenge you to demand, based on the mere fact that you are the payor, any unprofessional behavior from a skilled professional and see how your demands are received and implemented...
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P.S. Note I didn't say or even suggest that demands should be treated with disrespect, disdain or rudness...continue.
 
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Again, I challenge you to demand, based on the mere fact that you are the payor, any unprofessional behavior from a skilled professional and see how your demands are received and implemented...
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This coming from you Rocky? Let's say you go to a high end steakhouse this evening and order a medium rare and it comes back well done? Do you as the client just accept that because it was cooked by a "professional". As they payer do you have no say in decisions because you hired a professional? I think you put way too much ego in to it. You are there to play music...Play music
 
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djcrazychris said:
When you do a grand entrance....when u give a client the co2 cannon... etc etc you glorify your client...

I glorify my client by taking their extreme genre choices (on the rare occasion it happens) and instead of making the room feel awkward... get the crowd on board... make the client the hero.... u guys should really try it... OBVIOUSLY NO YOU CANNOT DO IT IN A PASSIVE AGRESSIVE WAY... you have to celebrate it yourself... no only go with the flow...but turn it into a positive...

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I didn't mean for this thread to become World War 3. Just looking for a friendly discussion. Now with that said let me say this. Most of us on here have years of experience at performing at an event. So we basically have the experience of knowing what to do in certain situations. Some of that experience has come from making mistakes. Now sir what if what you're doing to please the client isn't working? The crowd is highly upset. How do you handle that situation?

Don't get me wrong, I agree that if a client makes changes on the fly to just go with it and hope all turns out well. Sometimes there's nothing you can do but go with the flow. You know what the client wants is going to mess up the event and yet it's their event.

The problem is that some clients think they know more than you do. Yet they booked you to do the job. They should trust the person they hired to do the job. If you don't trust somebody to do the job right why hire them? There are times when I would like to say do I tell you how to cook the burgers at Burger King? So don't tell me how to do my job. LOL.

Now there are those who are just getting started as a newbie. So they don't have the tons of experience that a veteran has. Now what it takes I found out is dedication to make it in this business. Simply put this is not the business for everyone. Some will make it and others will see how it's not as easy as they thought it would be and quit.

Crazy please take this with fun. Who you calling a dushbag? Don't make me come to where you live and show you why you need to keep me out of that one. You don't want me to knock you out! I'm kidding. I can barely walk good. You would see me hobbling down the street and laugh your ass off. Imagine me walking with a cane talking about beating someone up. LOL.
 
MIXMASTERMACHOM said:
I didn't mean for this thread to become World War 3. Just looking for a friendly discussion. Now with that said let me say this. Most of us on here have years of experience at performing at an event. So we basically have the experience of knowing what to do in certain situations. Some of that experience has come from making mistakes. Now sir what if what you're doing to please the client isn't working? The crowd is highly upset. How do you handle that situation?

Don't get me wrong, I agree that if a client makes changes on the fly to just go with it and hope all turns out well. Sometimes there's nothing you can do but go with the flow. You know what the client wants is going to mess up the event and yet it's their event.

The problem is that some clients think they know more than you do. Yet they booked you to do the job. They should trust the person they hired to do the job. If you don't trust somebody to do the job right why hire them? There are times when I would like to say do I tell you how to cook the burgers at Burger King? So don't tell me how to do my job. LOL.

Now there are those who are just getting started as a newbie. So they don't have the tons of experience that a veteran has. Now what it takes I found out is dedication to make it in this business. Simply put this is not the business for everyone. Some will make it and others will see how it's not as easy as they thought it would be and quit.

Crazy please take this with fun. Who you calling a dushbag? Don't make me come to where you live and show you why you need to keep me out of that one. You don't want me to knock you out! I'm kidding. I can barely walk good. You would see me hobbling down the street and laugh your ass off. Imagine me walking with a cane talking about beating someone up. LOL.
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It seems like you're talking more about public events than private events... private events, if people didn't like the music it's easy to tell them that this is what the client wants... that is assuming they come to you to complain... if they're not saying it to you then you really don't even know if "the crowd is highly upset"... it's just an assumption... let alone if it's you they're even upset with. When you mention people leaving early... well no offense... I've never been to private events that people just leave early bc of the music. They leave early because that is what they were planning on doing from the start, or they're just not that close to the host and don't really care or have proper manners to stay closer to the end. The general rule of thumb is people start leaving after cake/dessert begins to be served (which is later in the night). So if anything this says more about the crowd you work with/for.

Now if it's a public event, that's where reading the crowd comes into play, and the general understanding is the client let's you do what you gotta do to keep everyone happy. The "client" at that point doesn't really dictate specifics... but perhaps broad guidelines or themes. The public invited generally also has an idea of what to expect (teen dances means teen music... themed events mean themed music... etc). If you don't like what that client is directing you to do, then you either a) express to the client how your approach could be more beneficial and see what the response is b) do as the client says... or don't... your call... but don't take the event or work for that client again.
 
lol...actually i called pro a douchebag...and you clueless.... apples and oranges

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Taso I was talking about a private event. Trust me the event I mentioned turned into a mess because it was the wrong music at the wrong time. Nobody could hear themselves talk while talking the time to eat. This was a retirement celebration. So the proper mix would have been music for the older people attending the event as well. This was a private event and not at a club. That's what the client had in mind once she got there. Her idea didn't work nor did it fit the type of event it was.

There were people way past 50 who attended the event. No disrespect to the older people. They would have liked some music to make them feel a part of the event as well.

I went to a surprise 50th birthday celebration and the DJ that did the event had some nice music to play but didn't know when to play what. The event was 5 hours. From 8PM to 1AM. He didn't know that in the beginning you play stuff that the older people will enjoy and some getting up to dance. Later on you can get into some other music that will have people up dancing.

My thing with that one is I figure you're not going to keep people in their mid 50's on up there till 1AM. So make them happy first and then move on to the younger people attending the event. I know if I was the DJ for that event I would have wowed the crowd out. At least the gear he used was very good.
 
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