Event Pacing - The key to the "Magic" (blog)

[ittigger]

You just proved his point, Canute.
People that don't agree with you are STUPID!

You're just now figuring that one out?



BTW, I think he was referring to the childish crap going on. I wonder what the common theme is in all of these threads that get derailed.

 

[rickryan.com]

If Rick gets his article tweaked it will nicely reflect the way he organizes and manages the couples expectations. It will make him an attractive DJ option. It will not elevate his role to the level of wedding coordinator no matter how "magical" the adjectives. Customers are not stupid (at least mine aren't.) If you want to pull the wool over people's eyes - at least check that they can't already see right through it.

What is it with you thinking everyone (especially me) is always being deceptive and dishonest? You know Bob, I know you've been doing sound for a million years but you're so jaded that anything you do offer has to be taken with a grain of salt. For the most part, your posts are rendered useless by the sheer negativity you project. I really hate to use the word a$$hole but when I look it up in the dictionary, there's your picture.

 

[mikemerlin]

You don't do weddings, you're part time, and short on the resources people who truly do this professionally have at their disposal - and you think he's the presumptive one?

Hey Bob, Houston doesn't do weddings either...oh and most of us who have offered our two cents do...and boom goes the dynamite

Oh and please see Steve's post on page 6 section 4 paragraph 8 LOL. It PERFECTLY sums up what Houston and Bob are failing to grasp. LOOK BELOW I wold be very interested to hear Bob and Houston's response to what Steve says here

There is no objective .. no magic .. no "elusive" skills .. we're talking about a DJ managing the flow of an event, and a few of you keep chiming in with the "if it ain't in the contract, it ain't my job" and the "professionals do it better" puffery that doesn't really answer or advance anything.

No one has said they wanted to do all the things that have been mentioned. And yes, I would believe that everyone agrees it should be hammered out ahead of time. But sometimes it doesn't actually go the way it was planned. This does not rise to the level of a DJ trying to take over a wedding as you seem to have grasped on to .. it's merely doing what needs to be done so things can come to a decent close. I don't see how it's professional to just stand there when things go wrong .. nor do I see how it would be to stand there and keep making announcements until something happens.

^^^^^^^^^^^^Houston your thoughts kind sir?

 

[ahoustondj]

You just proved his point, Canute.
People that don't agree with you are STUPID!

You need to get a grasp on the English Language and comprehension. People can do stupid things without being stupid. Many times when I am referring to a thread or post being a stupid one, if anyone takes that as a name calling then they must really identify themselves as not only doing or saying something stupid but actually being stupid. So if anyone gets up in arms about the word, then they must be experiencing an identity crisis. I would suggest to that person that they get professional help.

 

[Proformance]

You don't do weddings but are the informed one? Everyone here who does weddings says you're wrong but you are the only one informed lol...as to bobs point about it being magical to make sure certain things are in place before proceeding I never said that. It's just common sense to do so. Common sense that you both clearly lack when it comes to weddings.

Or maybe all of us who do weddings are wrong and the guy that doesn't is right LOL

Mike read the title of the thread - it says: "Magic" That's the debate you're in.
You're argument: "Everyone here who does weddings says you're wrong..." is group think and classic control freak - something to think about.
Canute is consistent in not booking weddings and not seeking to take on responsibilities that others are capable of handling themselves.
You are consistent in your need to direct the wedding, and direct the opinions/practices of other DJs.

You are too caught up in whether I do or don't do something to see that you attract one type of client and I attract another.
You describe a wedding or client in need - and a DJ taking control to make things work.
That neediness isn't present in my events and losing control isn't a concern - we are all (client included) capable of making it work.
Needing and wanting are different - especially if someone already has what they need AND the resources to acquire what they want.
I would suggest to you that capable clients are the better customers to have, and needy clients on average pay less for their DJs.

 

[rickryan.com]

I would suggest to that person that they get professional help.

Do you have to hire someone to wipe your butt? Seems your advice (very often) involves hiring someone else.

 

[ittigger]

You need to get a grasp on the English Language and comprehension. People can do stupid things without being stupid. Many times when I am referring to a thread or post being a stupid one, if anyone takes that as a name calling then they must really identify themselves as not only doing or saying something stupid but actually being stupid. So if anyone gets up in arms about the word, then they must be experiencing an identity crisis. I would suggest to that person that they get professional help.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you just insinuated that Mike is stupid and needs professional help.

And you need to get a grasp on how to speak to and address people and situations properly. I'm certain that you do not address your customers and friends like this - otherwise, I'm pretty certain you wouldn't have many of either. Maybe this is why you have to have an agent?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - if there's a consistent problem with the way people understand what you say, then you are saying it wrong. No amount of degrees and certifications will help you if you can't grasp, comprehend, implement and use the basics.

This whole thread has lost any potential meaning it could have had.

 

[Proformance]

I don't see how it's professional to just stand there when things go wrong .. nor do I see how it would be to stand there and keep making announcements until something happens.

Is it professional to make such gross distortions of what has been said?
I agree - you are listening with the intent to reply.

I doubt there is anyone on this forum who acts as you have just suggested. People who lack initiative wouldn't be looking for discourse on the subject.

 

[ittigger]

Can't we all just get along.

 

[steve149]

Is it professional to make such gross distortions of what has been said?
I agree - you are listening with the intent to reply.

I doubt there is anyone on this forum who acts as you have just suggested. People who lack initiative wouldn't be looking for discourse on the subject.

 

[oldschooldj]

Wow this post went south, I called the UN, they have Peace Keepers on the way. I hope I don't get recalled to active duty over this post

 

[Proformance]

Hey Bob, Houston doesn't do weddings either...oh and most of us who have offered our two cents do...and boom goes the dynamite

Oh and please see Steve's post on page 6 section 4 paragraph 8 LOL. It PERFECTLY sums up what Houston and Bob are failing to grasp. LOOK BELOW I wold be very interested to hear Bob and Houston's response to what Steve says here

My response - is that insight will elude you while you're so busy keeping score.
The 1 point, 2 point smileys are a nice touch.

 

[ahoustondj]

Hey Bob, Houston doesn't do weddings either...oh and most of us who have offered our two cents do...and boom goes the dynamite

Oh and please see Steve's post on page 6 section 4 paragraph 8 LOL. It PERFECTLY sums up what Houston and Bob are failing to grasp. LOOK BELOW I wold be very interested to hear Bob and Houston's response to what Steve says here

There is no objective .. no magic .. no "elusive" skills .. we're talking about a DJ managing the flow of an event, and a few of you keep chiming in with the "if it ain't in the contract, it ain't my job" and the "professionals do it better" puffery that doesn't really answer or advance anything.

No one has said they wanted to do all the things that have been mentioned. And yes, I would believe that everyone agrees it should be hammered out ahead of time. But sometimes it doesn't actually go the way it was planned. Sorry, but I have not had that experience. This does not rise to the level of a DJ trying to take over a wedding as you seem to have grasped on to .. it's merely doing what needs to be done so things can come to a decent close. Remember you said that is the job of the DJ? So isn't that called taking over? I don't see how it's professional to just stand there when things go wrong .. nor do I see how it would be to stand there and keep making announcements until something happens. Has it ever crossed your mind that there may be people in place who are paid a Professional Fee to care care of problems that may occur?

^^^^^^^^^^^^Houston your thoughts kind sir?

Some responses above in Red.
What part of "it does not apply to me" don't you understand?
What part of "I have not had the experience of a Planner or Coordinator no showing at one of my Events" don't you understand?
What part of "there are many Events being staged every day in this country with Hired Professionals whose job it is to do just what is in their contract" don't you understand?
In other words that scenario does not usually apply to me. When it does, I get compensated for it, plain and simple.
There are also people who are adding flame to this fire when they don't even have a dog in the fight. Just so that you comprehend what I mean, let me break that down for you. Some of those folks who interject themselves in every debate such as this one, have never posted a Gig Report with Photos, you never see them posting any real life experiences of DJing. Could it be possible that they come on here pretending to be DJs when in effect they are nothing more than Wannabes? Oh wait, that is another one of those trigger words that sends some into a frenzy, eh! How about trolling? They visit every thread looking for ways to start arguments and challenge everything others have to say.
Because something does not occur in your experiences or area does not mean it does not happen elsewhere. Maybe in your area when people come to attend a Wedding they may Self Park their Cars. What if I told you that at many of the Weddings I do every Guest gets their vehicle Valet Parked.
You must remember that in the Wide Scope of things pertaining to Entertainment, Weddings and Wedding DJs (Those who only do Weddings) are but a fraction of what takes place out there.

Lastly, take a look at the "heated debates" It is always the same couple of people who either start the crap or contribute to it when they are not even part of the issue.

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Do you have to hire someone to wipe your butt? Why, would you like the job? You seem to want to do everything else! Let me warn you, it is a shi**y pay off. Seems your advice (very often) involves hiring someone else.

My advice that involves hiring someone else as it pertains to DJing is because I believe in living and let live. If you worked in a Union Shop and tried to do other peoples jobs just to make yourself look good you may not live to enjoy the glory.

 

[ittigger]

In other words that scenario does not usually apply to me. When it does, I get compensated for it, plain and simple.

As does anyone else in the same position

There are also people who are adding flame to this fire when they don't even have a dog in the fight. Just so that you comprehend what I mean, let me break that down for you. Some of those folks who interject themselves in every debate such as this one, have never posted a Gig Report with Photos, you never see them posting any real life experiences of DJing. Could it be possible that they come on here pretending to be DJs when in effect they are nothing more than Wannabes? Oh wait, that is another one of those trigger words that sends some into a frenzy, eh! How about trolling?

And you're throwing this at who?

They visit every thread looking for ways to start arguments and challenge everything others have to say.

Again, who are you tossing this one at?

Because something does not occur in your experiences or area does not mean it does not happen elsewhere. Maybe in your area when people come to attend a Wedding they may Self Park their Cars. What if I told you that at many of the Weddings I do every Guest gets their vehicle Valet Parked.

Agreed - sounds like you need to read and comprehend some of your own words.

You must remember that in the Wide Scope of things pertaining to Entertainment, Weddings and Wedding DJs (Those who only do Weddings) are but a fraction of what takes place out there.

Of the ones I know on here, they cover all events.

Lastly, take a look at the "heated debates" It is always the same couple of people who either start the crap or contribute to it when they are not even part of the issue.

Yes, do look. Who is the common person in 90% of the heated debates .. and what is the common theme. I also agree there are times when someone does jump in that's not involved .. and it blows everything out of the water.

If you're referring to someone participating in a conversation after it's been going - some of those people may be part of the issue and just have not spoken up yet. I wonder how many here, could be involved in this issue and just have not partaken yet. Also, being that this is a public forum, they have just as much right to be here as you do - or is this your way of trying to exclude people from this discussion?

Edit: I have also said MANY times that I respect your knowledge on the things that you do know about .. and that it has been a pleasant experience talking with you .. that has never been the issue with me either.

 

[Proformance]

What is it with you thinking everyone (especially me) is always being deceptive and dishonest? You know Bob, I know you've been doing sound for a million years but you're so jaded that anything you do offer has to be taken with a grain of salt. For the most part, your posts are rendered useless by the sheer negativity you project. I really hate to use the word a$$hole but when I look it up in the dictionary, there's your picture.

Thank you, for offering to tell me what I think however, I will defer to my own sources.
If you want to personalize something and make it about you being dishonest - that's coming from you, not me. I have no way of knowing how honest you are - only how realistic a given claim or argument reads.

If your article overstates something and the majority reader experience is different then - they can see right through that wool blanket and your points lose credibility.

How many threads do you post regarding situations with clients that result from your tendency to personalize things?
You are taking offense - no one is actually giving it to you.

 

[steve149]

Remember you said that is the job of the DJ? So isn't that called taking over?

First, Mike was quoting me .. and I never said any of the things discussed WERE the job of the DJ. Nor do I recall seeing Mike say that.

Has it ever crossed your mind that there may be people in place who are paid a Professional Fee to care care of problems that may occur?

The dialog has been if there is no "people in place", what do you do? If you're saying you get paid up front to do all that 15 or so min of extra work, so be it. Others realize that it isn't all that difficult, that there isn't always another to do it, or that it doesn't rise to the level of a negotiated function. Doesn't mean they gladly seek it out .. or that they step up to own the show .. just that they accept it.

Lastly, take a look at the "heated debates" It is always the same couple of people who either start the crap or contribute to it when they are not even part of the issue.

We agree here.


I respect your knowledge about many things, just as I respect Bob's knowledge .. that has never been the issue.

 

[rickryan.com]

Thank you, for offering to tell me what I think however, I will defer to my own sources.
If you want to personalize something and make it about you being dishonest - that's coming from you, not me. I have no way of knowing how honest you are - only how realistic a given claim or argument reads.

If your article overstates something and the majority reader experience is different then - they can see right through that wool blanket and your points lose credibility.

How many threads do you post regarding situations with clients that result from your tendency to personalize things?
You are taking offense - no one is actually giving it to you.

Bob, you clearly make assertions that many on this board are somehow dishonest or attempting to pull the wool over clients' eyes. Try to play word games if you wish but sorry, it's easy to see through and everyone knows it. Married 5 times, eh? Makes sense now.

 

[Proformance]

Take a look at Houston's original post. He criticized Rick for "doing other people's jobs" etc I merely pointed out that it is the dj's job to coordinate with the other vendors as he/she is the catalyst to make things happen. If the planner is clueless I am going to communicate with him or her to get things on track. Houston doesn't do weddings and has no real concept of how real weddings work. Also I find your posts amusing in the sense that you speak in generalities rather than specifics and lump all dj's who don't agree with you as insecure, shallow, etc. In order to prevent such frivalous claims I submit that all your posts require footnotes that cite your sources rather than" in my experience" all dj's are such and such lol

It is perfectly acceptable to criticize, and Canute's criticism is valid whether you agree or not.. What authority do you have to tell him what is or isn't his job? Most egregious -what qualifies you declare someone else's party planner clueless?

Criticism is by definition a disagreement. Disagreeing with some of you is what seems to be the biggest issue - whether it's a planner, a client, or another DJ.

 

[ahoustondj]

Bob, you clearly make assertions that many on this board are somehow dishonest or attempting to pull the wool over clients' eyes. Try to play word games if you wish but sorry, it's easy to see through and everyone knows it. Married 5 times, eh? Makes sense now.

That is so pathetic of you! Yup, when one is at a loss for intelligence they resort to ignorant personal attacks. How many people does your Bandwagon hold? Seems to me that you are trying to fill it. I hope it is equipped with Uplights and Drapes!

 

[mikemerlin]

No one has said they wanted to do all the things that have been mentioned. And yes, I would believe that everyone agrees it should be hammered out ahead of time. But sometimes it doesn't actually go the way it was planned. Sorry, but I have not had that experience.

Houston, if you expect me to believe you've NEVER in your experience had something come up unexpected you are lying kind sir.