DJing With Traktor and Beatmatching (No Controller)

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ahoustondj

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Very Simple to learn: Here are two great Tutorials. Talks about Mixing, effects, 4 deck operation, recording your mix etc.

[video=youtube;fva3Npsh1LA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fva3Npsh1LA[/video]

Shows actual Live Mixing:

[video=youtube;7zhciG2vE6E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zhciG2vE6E[/video]
 
I guess you consider that mixing? They're using 'Sync'. I would consider that a 'press play' function and not a 'Live Mixing' function.
 
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Some things to note, Digital Mixing is the emulation of the old style Vinyl Mixing where as a basis, two or more songs have to be carefully chosen. With the turntables, you have the pitch control which also is present on most DJ Software as in Traktor. There is also a Sync button which actually acts the same as the pitch control but it uses a master Deck with an active song playing as a reference to adjust the second track and other tracks automatically, when deployed.

Not because two tracks are the same BPM or Synced means that they will work well together, however they can still be mixed if the DJ is skillful enough to do so manually (Slip Cue). The Sync button is not just a push, play and forget button. You have to know how and when to engage it. Playing one song after the other from beginning to end maybe with a fade between is what is called Push Play. Continuous play, which is also a feature in Traktor can also be considered as "Push Play". If you engaged the sync button and do not readjust it at the end of the song, the next track on the other deck can be synced in the wrong way and thus speed up or slow down the new track in an undesirable manner.

To summarize, before Mixing, Beatmatching and Syncing, what we had was just "Push Play". A Record was just loaded on a platter, CD in a deck or (in the case of DJ software), track in a playlist. Song after song would be played without a seamless blend or transition. So the sync button is not a magic answer to mixing, just a digital aid. There are some who have DJ Software and just push play and play music without knowing the full capabilities of their software however the art of beatmixing and transitioning needs to be first learned in the mind before it can be aided by Hardware or Software. It is a creative skill. Some know how to do it, some don't and do not care about learning it and then there are those who just do not have the knack for learning or doing it.
 
Some things to note, Digital Mixing is the emulation of the old style Vinyl Mixing where as a basis, two or more songs have to be carefully chosen. With the turntables, you have the pitch control which also is present on most DJ Software as in Traktor. There is also a Sync button which actually acts the same as the pitch control but it uses a master Deck with an active song playing as a reference to adjust the second track and other tracks automatically, when deployed.

Not because two tracks are the same BPM or Synced means that they will work well together, however they can still be mixed if the DJ is skillful enough to do so manually (Slip Cue). The Sync button is not just a push, play and forget button. You have to know how and when to engage it. Playing one song after the other from beginning to end maybe with a fade between is what is called Push Play. Continuous play, which is also a feature in Traktor can also be considered as "Push Play". If you engaged the sync button and do not readjust it at the end of the song, the next track on the other deck can be synced in the wrong way and thus speed up or slow down the new track in an undesirable manner.

To summarize, before Mixing, Beatmatching and Syncing, what we had was just "Push Play". A Record was just loaded on a platter, CD in a deck or (in the case of DJ software), track in a playlist. Song after song would be played without a seamless blend or transition. So the sync button is not a magic answer to mixing, just a digital aid. There are some who have DJ Software and just push play and play music without knowing the full capabilities of their software however the art of beatmixing and transitioning needs to be first learned in the mind before it can be aided by Hardware or Software. It is a creative skill. Some know how to do it, some don't and do not care about learning it and then there are those who just do not have the knack for learning or doing it.


Not sure who types more -- you or Mix,,,

Sync button does not use pitch, it uses tempo, so you can speed up a song, or slow it down without changing the pitch.

You should probably do your homework before writing the long posts. And when was the last time you wrote DJ software?
 
Here are some more Controls with Traktor that focus on the Pitch Fader Controls and how to set them up, which also helps to control the tempo. The slider on the Technics SL 1200 are also labelled as Pitch Control. Using a combination of Pitch, Key & Tempo a song can be manipulated so it is easily mixed. A great feature of Traktor is that you can search & find like songs by BPM, Key, Pitch and Tempo.

Pitch Control Fader:
[video=youtube;oIp-FMLjlA4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIp-FMLjlA4[/video]

Tempo Shifting:

[video=youtube;H71-m39wCb4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=H71-m39wCb4&NR=1[/video]

Key Detection and Mixing:

[video=youtube;-CKcv7wRUww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CKcv7wRUww[/video]
 
Not sure who types more -- you or Mix,,,

Sync button does not use pitch, it uses tempo, so you can speed up a song, or slow it down without changing the pitch.

You should probably do your homework before writing the long posts. And when was the last time you wrote DJ software?
Actually Rick in Tractor the Sync function can do both and even keep it in Key... As do other DJ software...
 
Actually Rick in Tractor the Sync function can do both and even keep it in Key... As do SOME other DJ software...
There I fixed that for you. Not all is capable! You don't have to be that politically correct! ;) This is one of the reasons some are intimidated with Traktor. It is a beast but if one gets to master it there are endless possibilities. Even after using it for years I am still learning and discovering new features and tricks!
 
Actually Rick in Tractor the Sync function can do both and even keep it in Key... As do other DJ software...


Rob, you cannot, I repeat cannot keep anything in key using using pitch control -- you have to use tempo in order to keep it in key.

When you raise or lower the pitch, you change the key of the song.
 
Another way of helping someone to become lazier. What happened to good old do it yourself beat mixing. Oh that's too hard some will say to learn. That's where I come in at. Clients pay for my skills and not a machines skills.
 
What clients are those Mix? how many jobs have you had this year. I bet we can count them on one hand, ok maybe two.
 
Another way of helping someone to become lazier. What happened to good old do it yourself beat mixing. Oh that's too hard some will say to learn. That's where I come in at. Clients pay for my skills and not a machines skills.
Actually Mix, it requires more skills to really Mix on Digital Software, that is Software like Traktor, Serato, Virtual DJ, PCDJ etc. Look at all the things you can do with Digital Software that two turntables cannot do. Adding effects, loops, remix decks etc.
 
Rob, you cannot, I repeat cannot keep anything in key using using pitch control -- you have to use tempo in order to keep it in key.

When you raise or lower the pitch, you change the key of the song.
. What do you think pitch is????? And what do you think Sync does???? Lets see. Pitch adjusts the overall key, check. Sync matches the tempo and attempts to match the beat.... You ergo keeps each son in key and matches the bpm.... Rick please I know what my software can do.
 
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You guys crack me up. You argue and argue about how to play the same song (pitch/tempo) for 20-30 minutes. Frankly, I think it's the exact wrong way to present music. Sure, seamless transitions between tracks are vital but a big part of the energy of a party, at least in my humble opinion, is in keeping it fresh and 20 minutes of the same song is just the opposite of keeping it fresh. Let's look at it another way, you cook up the ultimate mix and it runs for 20 minutes. Your floor is going to fill to its maximum at the start of the segment. You won't gain bodies and as the segment wears on and you'll have a certain portion to drop out. The floor will be emptying, not filling and the remaining dancers will be tired of the same old beat rolling in their ears and their best dance moves will have long been exhausted.

I regularly educate prospective brides (sure, not everyone does weddings) about this and they universally agree. When we also discuss the concept of playing (mostly) complete songs versus flipping back and forth between multiple tunes, I've yet to run into one who wants partial songs. In fact, I pretty regularly have prospects to bring it up as something that annoys them at other weddings. You guys keep fighting about this crap. Thanks, it puts money in my pocket.
 
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. What do you think pitch is????? And what do you think Sync does???? Lets see. Pitch adjusts the overall key, check. Sync matches the tempo and attempts to match the beat.... You ergo keeps each son in key and matches the bpm.... Rick please I know what my software can do.

Don't worry Rob. You are correct. Don't expect everyone to embrace the new Technology that Traktor possesses especially when comparing it to outdated Software. The Videos in Post #5 clearly shows how Pitch, Key and Tempo can be individually manipulated and the Sync is a shortcut to all three at the same time. That is why when one clicks on Traktor's Sync button, you immediately see a change in the slider position if the beats were adjusted to match the Master Song/Deck.
In Layman's Terms:
Tempo: Relates more to Beats
Key: Relates more to Tonal Notes
Pitch: Relates more to Frequency of the sound(Oscillation)
Sync: Relates more to putting it all together. This can be done automatically or manually. Remember the strobe lights on the Turntable Platters?

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You guys crack me up. You argue and argue about how to play the same song (pitch/tempo) for 20-30 minutes. /QUOTE]

Who said anything about playing the same song for 20mins???? Did I miss something? We are discussing mixing from one song to another with smooth transitions. Its like refuelling a plane in mid air, the two planes have to fly with exact speed etc for refueling to safely take place otherwise it is crash and burn. You Sir are changing the subject. There is a big difference with Mixing and Mixes. Any DJ worth their salt would know that.

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I regularly educate prospective brides (sure, not everyone does weddings) about this and they universally agree. When we also discuss the concept of playing (mostly) complete songs versus flipping back and forth between multiple tunes, I've yet to run into one who wants partial songs. In fact, I pretty regularly have prospects to bring it up as something that annoys them at other weddings. You guys keep fighting about this crap. Thanks, it puts money in my pocket.

Thank God that not all Clients want Push Play DJs! J/S ;). A Club Dj or one who knows how to really Mix manually or with Software and other aids is much more versatile then a DJ who just plays song after song after song. I thought Tape Recorders did that sort of thing!
 
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. What do you think pitch is????? And what do you think Sync does???? Lets see. Pitch adjusts the overall key, check. Sync matches the tempo and attempts to match the beat.... You ergo keeps each son in key and matches the bpm.... Rick please I know what my software can do.


Rob, do you write DJ software?

I've been doing it for over 15 years, and have more than a million lines if code in Rockit alone.

So are you going to explain to me what pitch and tempo means?

BTW, get some hair :)
 
Who said anything about playing the same song for 20mins???? Did I miss something? We are discussing mixing from one song to another with smooth transitions. Its like refuelling a plane in mid air, the two planes have to fly with exact speed etc for refueling to safely take place otherwise it is crash and burn. You Sir are changing the subject. There is a big difference with Mixing and Mixes. Any DJ worth their salt would know that.

Multiple songs, played at the same tempo and feel, and even in the same key are virtually the same as a single song (my opinion) in regards to the perception and enjoyment of event guests. Now I realize you relish the idea that it's "mad DJ skillz" but I don't see my role as trying to show off how well I can handle media. My job is to provide good production and to keep the energy up at that event. Quite simply, creating 20-30 minutes of the same beat/tempo/pitch is more like droning and it's not in the client's best interest. If you're a club jock, whose primary job is to get bodies thirsty in order to sell alcohol, then sure it works for the employer. You fill the floor, stretch it out and 10-20 minutes later, they're all ready to head to the bar and spend money. The concept works in that setting. However, I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of those in this forum are working weddings far more than they are clubs.
 
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Rob, do you write DJ software?

I've been doing it for over 15 years, and have more than a million lines if code in Rockit alone.

So are you going to explain to me what pitch and tempo means?

BTW, get some hair :)
Sorry you can't grasp or at the least refuse to acknowledge that it can and is being done by software... Congrats on your software it's a good product but, it doesn't mean there aren't better ways to accomplish a good mix.
 
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You guys crack me up. You argue and argue about how to play the same song (pitch/tempo) for 20-30 minutes. Frankly, I think it's the exact wrong way to present music. Sure, seamless transitions between tracks are vital but a big part of the energy of a party, at least in my humble opinion, is in keeping it fresh and 20 minutes of the same song is just the opposite of keeping it fresh. Let's look at it another way, you cook up the ultimate mix and it runs for 20 minutes. Your floor is going to fill to its maximum at the start of the segment. You won't gain bodies and as the segment wears on and you'll have a certain portion to drop out. The floor will be emptying, not filling and the remaining dancers will be tired of the same old beat rolling in their ears and their best dance moves will have long been exhausted.

I regularly educate prospective brides (sure, not everyone does weddings) about this and they universally agree. When we also discuss the concept of playing (mostly) complete songs versus flipping back and forth between multiple tunes, I've yet to run into one who wants partial songs. In fact, I pretty regularly have prospects to bring it up as something that annoys them at other weddings. You guys keep fighting about this crap. Thanks, it puts money in my pocket.


good points Rick. If you beatmix 4 or 5 songs in a row you'll get about 20 minutes of the same tempo, close to the same beat and groove. This works great at the right time and for the right dancers, but 20 minutes is probably too long. Partial songs are good for the ADHD types, and if done right can keep the dancers on the floor. Changing the bpm and groove is good when it's time to rotate, but when the floor is full it's tempting to do a seamless beatmix.
 
Quite simply, creating 20-30 minutes of the same beat/tempo/pitch is more like droning and it's not in the client's best interest.
Who said anything about playing 20-30 minutes of songs in the same beat? I think you are showing ignorance of what True Mixing can do. Be open minded and watch some videos so you can learn and thus integrate the skill into your own style. Needless to say, you are totally off base with that thinking.

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You know it is one thing for anyone not to want to do something or have certain DJ software. It is entirely ok. I don't have a problem with it at all. What I have a problem with is, those who either don't know how or just can't manage to get the skills to do it, trying to tell those who are doing it that it is not wanted or needed. I see people getting on the defensive when certain products, software are introduced. If they themselves do not want to buy and use it, especially if they can't, then why do they have to resort to being negative about it. If its not for you then its not for you plain and simple. Don't let your misunderstanding of something cloud your judgement by trying to argue with those who are being different. We all have our own individual ways.
 
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I regularly educate prospective brides (sure, not everyone does weddings) about this and they universally agree.
Sure! Not because you are not capable of doing something do you have to dis what others are doing. To me that spells "Insecurity". Why not just go do your thing and leave well alone. Talk about what you are going to do not what others are doing.