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Same with software -- if you sell your computer (or give it to someone), all software must be removed first. Most software EULA's (including mine), explicitly state no sale or transfer. You can only sell the hardware, and the drive should be reformatted prior to sale.
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
Same with software -- if you sell your computer (or give it to someone), all software must be removed first. Most software EULA's (including mine), explicitly state no sale or transfer. You can only sell the hardware, and the drive should be reformatted prior to sale.
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I agree with the exception of the OS. The OS (with specific S/N) belongs to that machine. To do it properly (and depending on the information stored on the drive), you should also 'zero' the drive with several passes.
 
Link doesn't work. My point is if MS came installed on your system when you bought it (vs home grown), the decals and all are still on the machine, the OS can go with it. Similar to music, if you sell it, you MUST give up those instances of it.

What good is the license to you if you sell the machine and the serial (etc) go with it? If you did wipe it, you now have a serial / license with a machine, that was paid for, that no one will use.
 
ittigger said:
Link doesn't work. My point is if MS came installed on your system when you bought it (vs home grown), the decals and all are still on the machine, the OS can go with it. Similar to music, if you sell it, you MUST give up those instances of it.

What good is the license to you if you sell the machine and the serial (etc) go with it? If you did wipe it, you now have a serial / license with a machine, that was paid for, that no one will use.
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Link is to a PDF -- works fine for me.

Essentially it says you can transfer once. Then it becomes invalid. That's the Win 7 EULA. I'm not going to argue with MS -- we've collaborated quite a bit.

My EULA is slightly different -- it does not allow selling or transfer of the computer with my software on it. I often get calls from folks who bought somebody else's computer with my software on it -- I do not entertain those calls, I just tell them to buy a new license.

My software is licensed per user -- not per computer. Only one person is allowed to use the software.
 
I get your SW as it is specific for the user. Windows, however is not. What I'm trying to say is that if an OS comes on a machine and remains with that machine - if you sell the machine, you're not 'transferring' it anywhere. It's on the same machine. MS can 'claim' they're selling it to a user but if that user is not using it anymore because the machine was sold - makes no sense.

If I have an OEM Win98 machine and I sell it, it still has the Win98 license on it and I can put it back to 'as shipped' condition. Why would that system not be allowed to sell more than once? I cannot purchase Win98 any longer and the machine most likely will not run Win 7. You see where I'm coming from?

SoftJock Rick said:
MS has a couple of clauses in it's EULA. Check it out here:

http://www.aads-worldwide.hk/files/Windows_7_Professional_English.pdf


Read it all -- it's fun :)
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Actually because this is a hong kong site and I'm at work - probably explains why I can't see it.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Same with software -- if you sell your computer (or give it to someone), all software must be removed first. Most software EULA's (including mine), explicitly state no sale or transfer.
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Oh man, so you mean all those ebay copies of Rockit that I sold, I shouldn't have done that? :laugh:
 
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Then Rick, shouldn't your website have buttons to "License Now" or "Lease Now" instead of "Buy Now"? Without reading the EULA, your site conveys an impression of a transfer of ownership of the software, doesn't it?
 
ittigger said:
I get your SW as it is specific for the user. Windows, however is not. What I'm trying to say is that if an OS comes on a machine and remains with that machine - if you sell the machine, you're not 'transferring' it anywhere. It's on the same machine. MS can 'claim' they're selling it to a user but if that user is not using it anymore because the machine was sold - makes no sense.

If I have an OEM Win98 machine and I sell it, it still has the Win98 license on it and I can put it back to 'as shipped' condition. Why would that system not be allowed to sell more than once? I cannot purchase Win98 any longer and the machine most likely will not run Win 7. You see where I'm coming from?
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Read their EULA Tigger. You can find it all over the internet.

When I sell a computer, which is rare -- I reformat the drive, and they can buy their own copy of Windows.

You need to have some morals in life... When I decommission a computer (like a tower) -- the hard drives get removed, and then get hit with a 7.62 x 39 -- rendering them useless. I can get through 4 drives with a FMJ Russian, in one shot.
 
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Dennis - cool about pirating / stealing. It's about time they had something in place.

That also applies to MS if you're stealing it.

SoftJock Rick said:
Read their EULA Tigger. You can find it all over the internet.

When I sell a computer, which is rare -- I reformat the drive, and they can buy their own copy of Windows.

You need to have some morals in life... When I decommission a computer (like a tower) -- the hard drives get removed, and then get hit with a 7.62 x 39 -- rendering them useless. I can get through 4 drives with a FMJ Russian, in one shot.
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I have morals. I'm not in any way advocating illegal activities. If you buy a machine and it comes with Win 7. 3 years from now, you want to sell the machine - you put it back in factory condition as you received it, why would the license, sn and key NOT go with the machine? The stickers are all over it.

You didn't buy MS separate - it came with the machine. In your example, you'd essentially be buying 2 (or more) licenses for 1 machine. Can you say waste?
 
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Rick locally here the Government actually take them to a large incinerator and BURN them
so nothing can be recovered what so ever

this is how I do all mine too

especially when decommissioning systems for upgrades etc
 
I actually destroy all mine too .. but theoretically, I should be able to put in a new drive and same same.
 
steve149 said:
Then Rick, shouldn't your website have buttons to "License Now" or "Lease Now" instead of "Buy Now"? Without reading the EULA, your site conveys an impression of a transfer of ownership of the software, doesn't it?
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My website has links to terms of licensing -- if people don't read them, that's their problem, not mine.

You can't own software (unless you wrote it) -- anybody else is simply a licensee of said software. We can revoke that license at any time, through written communication via email, or snail mail.
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
When I decommission a computer (like a tower) -- the hard drives get removed, and then get hit with a 7.62 x 39 -- rendering them useless. I can get through 4 drives with a FMJ Russian, in one shot.
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Actually, 2 seconds in the microwave accomplishes the same thing...
 
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dunlopj said:
Actually, 2 seconds in the microwave accomplishes the same thing...
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Never worked for me. And it's far more fun shooting the things :)



rickryan.com said:
Not completely true. "Work made for hire" ring a bell?
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But we're not talking about work made for hire -- even if we were, it's still a losing case. I worked for a dude down in FL, and he tried to sell my software without my permission. So I got a copyright lawyer, and we got a settlement -- I got the money. Even though it was a "work for hire", he went over the line, without consulting me.

The mainframe side of the software he stole from the company we both worked for previously, he then asked me to write the PC to mainframe connection. I did, at a fairly low rate. Then he tries to sell it out under me -- hence the lawyer.

Never trust anything except a dog.
 
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