"You charge how much!!???"

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well then it seems you need someone thats downloaded music and a laptop / ipad

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I like that a Thread on Pricing goes off on a Cliff about who should have kids. Who is attacking who now?:rolleyes:

The "having kids" part was the reason for the whole last minute DJ search. So the thread actually STARTED that way.
The only people being "attacked" are people who are careless, selfish, and irresponsible...and leave a child to grow up without a stable family.
 
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Forget that argument. How many would lower their price to get a client to book them and if you do how much of a discount would you give them?

That's not a specific enough question. I not constrained by set prices or "packages" the way part time DJs are.
Every open date is a completely open opportunity surrounded by alternatives which are never constant as they would be for someone with another career doing this on the side. That makes every job a negotiation and what I'm willing to do is a function of the resources, alternatives, and cost/benefit of all things considered. There have been jobs which on paper were a loss - yet, turned out to be the most long term lucrative opportunities for me generating repeat business and loyal client relationships decades long.

My jobs don't end with a check. A look for jobs that are the beginning of a relationship worth much more over the years ahead. Weddings are fine - but, over the years I've learned they are a lot like being stuck in stop and go traffic. Inching your way along unpredictably and with limited visibility one check at a time.

In the case of this caller, I'd have wanted to know more both about her, and her perception of price and how it relates to what it is she wants the DJ to accomplish in this instance. Given the last minute rush, both she and the event likely have minimal requirements and I would happily give her some tips and referrals to where she can find a great DJ at the price she wants to pay. I see no reason to be abusive or complain about someone simply because they are seeking something that costs less than what I am quoting.
 
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Ah but your "quote every job differently" gives rise to distrust issues. Don't you ever have different people from the same family asking for a price? I have and precisely because of guys who shoot multiple prices for the exact event. While it's certainly your right to try to maximize profit it speaks to your integrity to try and gig one prospect over another.
 
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Ah but your "quote every job differently" gives rise to distrust issues. Don't you ever have different people from the same family asking for a price? I have and precisely because of guys who shoot multiple prices for the exact event. While it's certainly your right to try to maximize profit it speaks to your integrity to try and gig one prospect over another.

Definitely could be an issue.
But I have done as many as 5 gigs with the same group of family/friends...and didn't charge them all the same.
A different venue, a different day of week or a different month of the year, more or less equipment,
and the basic fact that I raised my prices the following year...
I haven't had anyone question the difference.
Then again, I do not post package prices, so that helps as well.
It CAN be an issue, but a little explaining and/or a little negotiating can do wonders.
(especially if they've seen you work and like what you do)
 
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Definitely could be an issue.
But I have done as many as 5 gigs with the same group of family/friends...and didn't charge them all the same.
A different venue, a different day of week or a different month of the year, more or less equipment,
and the basic fact that I raised my prices the following year...
I haven't had anyone question the difference.
Then again, I do not post package prices, so that helps as well.
It CAN be an issue, but a little explaining and/or a little negotiating can do wonders.
(especially if they've seen you work and like what you do)

My first season out I didn't have prices posted and was quoting what I thought I could get out of the job. I got questioned on a few occasions about offering different prices for the same date. While I understand guys that want to maximize their take, this model works for me, for now. The biggest benefit is it's practically eliminated the tire kickers and $500 (or less) inquiries. This one was a rare occasion and reminds me of how glad I am for posted pricing. It's eliminates 95% of that junk.
 
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Ah but your "quote every job differently" gives rise to distrust issues. Don't you ever have different people from the same family asking for a price? I have and precisely because of guys who shoot multiple prices for the exact event. While it's certainly your right to try to maximize profit it speaks to your integrity to try and gig one prospect over another.

Na-dah. What you are describing is a DJ with some pre-selected gear who hires it out along with himself as "packages." That is a commodity - easily duplicated by any other DJ who can obtain and operate that gear, playing the same hit songs as any DJ does. In fact, are you not already duplicating it when you send out your other guys?

In this instance people should expect to pay a similar price no matter what the event, or when it is. Your sales pitch changes little from gig to gig and people expect roughly the same package or presentation. This is why people shop around for the best price. Many events only require music service as a commodity and there is always an over-supply of DJs who function as commodities. Customers will call you on your varied prices because you are in fact, making quotes for the same thing on the same date.

In order to change that you have to change the nature of what you sell from a commodity to a unique solution. If every client is shown how their event represents a unique set of challenges to be resolved, then no two events could ever be seen as the same. Hence, clients stop making those comparisons.

I abandoned the commodity model a long time ago, along with it's focus on weekend family events and Saturday dates as a prime commodity. I often book substantially better paying work during the week than I do on weekends. Saturday is a "play day" where weddings and family events are the norm. This is not however where the rubber meets the road if you are serious about the event business. Commercial work is better because it's not all about fun and games - there is a defined purpose and goal to be met. The calendar week is also 7 days long which removes the competition for prime dates.

I sell solutions - which means I apply a defined set of skills to very specific customer requirements - not simply a subjective concept of "quality" or even the DJ. The danger in presenting one's self as "entertainment" when in fact you are a DJ is that the real source of what becomes entertaining does not reside in you - it's born of the event and it's participants. I sell customers on my ability to build the environment in which that occurs successfully and in line with their goals and expectations. These are talents you can sell and apply even when the event has no DJ or dancing. I have a varied skill set which can be applied event wide so I'm not selling the same role to everyone, and often something different to repeating customers or their referrals.

As a DJ, I also have a successful reputation for serving challenging and different styles. I can sound or look like an entirely different DJ operation where it matters. I even sub out to companies that compete with each other and adapt to their own unique presentation styles. I am often a go to person when the event demands or music needs run deeper than the resources or abilities of their own DJs. Having the ability to wholesale that to others exposes me to a lot of different DJs and how they operate. I keeps me from getting stuck in the same routine and helps me to keep developing more unique experiences and skills.

The staying power among full time professionals in this business is their discernible skill sets and talent - not their up lighting, facades, or online reviews. Whether its' a DJ, emcee, dancer, band, technician, or novelty act - what you want is to be the name on the lips of other event professionals when conversation about a given event begins. The price is always fluid and people whose job it is to seek a solution rather than a commodity understand that.
 
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Ricky let Performance be a DJ while you and I are entertainers. For me it's not just showing up with some gear and playing music. It's about knowing the right songs to play for what crowd. Then also how to motivate the crowd to want to dance and have fun. Sometimes I'll do that on the mic with a cute saying or trying to make a joke. I just don't see myself as just someone playing music. That's part of it. A jukebox also can play music too.

I also don't get how he figures that all we do is play the same old songs at every event we do. Different events call for different music. We're doing a couple of sweet 16's and what I played in the bar on Friday certainly won't work at a sweet 16. Two totally different kind of crowds. In the bar that night I was able to play quite a few songs from the days when I used to party at Club Zanzabar. We can't do that for a sweet 16. They don't know that type of music and would be pissed off if we played that stuff. They are going to want to hear the music they are used to hearing on the radio that is up to date today's Hip Hop and R & B.

So let him continue to be just a DJ and you do what you do best. If that's all he thinks of himself and that's all he can do, then good for him. I'm glad I'm more versatile then that. One thing I get great compliments on is my mixing skills.
 
Definitely MPD.
 
What a load of hogwash.

Hey Dan, next time you need an example of condescending attitude to illustrate for any "better than thou" types, check this one. Pro's response illustrates it perfectly.

:) LOL. Okay, let me remind you that Paris Hilton is also a DJ and she's a much better "show" than either of us - proof that literally ANYONE is now a DJ and that job title is not only a commodity - but about one Korg pad short of going Milli-Vanilli.

Think outside the box - 'cause you can easily find yourself evolving into an inventory provider as opposed to a service provider.
 
Canute it's all in what works for you. Some say don't put prices on your website and others say do it. What may work best for you may not work for someone else. It just may mean one has to experiment to find out what works best for them.

Some make a great point when they say that when they look to buy something online, they like to know what the price is. That way they can decide if they want to buy that item or not. Or look somewhere else for that same item at a cheaper price. Don't get mad about that. We all as DJ's do that. Don't you look for the best price you can find when buying equipment?

I do agree with Ricky about the part of having prices on your website helps to eliminate certain people you don't want to be bothered with that will try to talk you down to a lower price for your services. Sometimes to such a crazy low price that you will sometimes find yourself laughing your ass off.
 
Canute it's all in what works for you. Some say don't put prices on your website and others say do it. What may work best for you may not work for someone else. It just may mean one has to experiment to find out what works best for them.

Some make a great point when they say that when they look to buy something online, they like to know what the price is. That way they can decide if they want to buy that item or not. Or look somewhere else for that same item at a cheaper price. Don't get mad about that. We all as DJ's do that. Don't you look for the best price you can find when buying equipment?

I do agree with Ricky about the part of having prices on your website helps to eliminate certain people you don't want to be bothered with that will try to talk you down to a lower price for your services. Sometimes to such a crazy low price that you will sometimes find yourself laughing your ass off.
Did you read my post? To each his own. Everyone knows that if you eat a lot of prunes you will end up with the shyts but if that is someone's cup of tea, let them knock themselves out.

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The weird thing about the "truth", is that every body differs on it.

Calling people feeble, when they don't agree with you, is probably not the best way to make friends in the world.
If the shoe fits..............
 
Did you read my post? To each his own. Everyone knows that if you eat a lot of prunes you will end up with the shyts but if that is someone's cup of tea, let them knock themselves out.

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If the shoe fits..............
Yes I did and thanks.
 
My first season out I didn't have prices posted and was quoting what I thought I could get out of the job. I got questioned on a few occasions about offering different prices for the same date. While I understand guys that want to maximize their take, this model works for me, for now. The biggest benefit is it's practically eliminated the tire kickers and $500 (or less) inquiries. This one was a rare occasion and reminds me of how glad I am for posted pricing. It's eliminates 95% of that junk.

Rick,
I was simply gonna reply..."as long as it works for YOU, I got no beef with it..."
(cause I'm pretty sure you're gonna preach to me that I should do it YOUR way)
 
:) LOL. Okay, let me remind you that Paris Hilton is also a DJ and she's a much better "show" than either of us - proof that literally ANYONE is now a DJ and that job title is not only a commodity - but about one Korg pad short of going Milli-Vanilli.

Think outside the box - 'cause you can easily find yourself evolving into an inventory provider as opposed to a service provider.

She has recorded songs too - does that also make her a 'singer'? Do you also feel she's a much better 'show'? Is that also proof that a singer / band is a commodity? Do you also think Paris has even the slightest teensy weensy worry about performing for money and / or making it as a DJ?

Let me add to this the various other jobs that Paris has had:

Walmart
Taxidermist
Dairy Farm
Sonic
Springtime Gala Co-Chairperson
Auctioneer
Gas Station

The list goes on and on - are these all also 'commodities' and short of their versions of 'milli vanilli'?
 
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She then lights into me "Wow, that's expensive. I only paid $350 for a DJ for my wedding in Chicago!" I guess she was waiting for me to flinch and offer her a deal but, sorry chicka, no dice. I almost shot back a zinger but refrained and stayed silent until she hemmed and hawed and finally said "Well, thanks anyway."

Back to the original topic....

When faced with the "...someone else will do it for $350..." I normally tell them to book that other person immediately. I do that with as much sincerity and as little sarcasm as I can muster....before ending the meeting.
 
:) LOL. Okay, let me remind you that Paris Hilton is also a DJ and she's a much better "show" than either of us - proof that literally ANYONE is now a DJ and that job title is not only a commodity - but about one Korg pad short of going Milli-Vanilli.

Think outside the box - 'cause you can easily find yourself evolving into an inventory provider as opposed to a service provider.
Yes with modern technology it has made it much easier for someone to become a DJ. With that said some will stay in this business a long time and be successful. Then there are those who will come into this business quickly and leave just as quickly.

What it comes down to is that some get into this business thinking it's easy to become a DJ and it's an easy way to make some quick fast cash. They see someone else doing it and think to themselves it can't be that hard to be a DJ, they are only simply playing music. Now to become a true polished professional takes time. You just don't get there over night. You make mistakes along the way and that's where I find that I grew as a DJ. Learning how to beat mix all over again. How to read a crowd, knowing what gear will help you perform better, work better, last longer and sound better. Also how to handle rude clients and guest.

Another big thing is having a good looking clean setup and dressing properly for an event. Then also making sure you have the right music for an event and that also means not becoming a gig whore. Just taking a gig because they have money to pay you but you're not right for the job. If it has to do with music or your equipment. You can have some really great gear and yet that may not be good enough depending on the venue or type of event it is. Like I said I got to learn these things and how important they are over a period of time.
 
Modern technology has made it easier to store music and push play on your controller. That's about it. It hasn't made it any easier to read the floor, etc, etc.



Agreed - whole heartedly. I like you and consider you a friend too. The way you're going about it though might make people go 180 degrees the other way.
I mentioned it takes time to know how to read a crowd. My experience you just don't get that right away. Sometimes it may mean you have to make some mistakes to get it. Even me now I've made a mistake at times by playing a certain song that kills the dance floor. Luckily I normally because of my skill level know how to quickly regain command of the dance floor. What sucks is when someone makes a request and I play it (sometimes knowing the song will be a dud) and it kills the dance floor. I've also either refused to play a song or tell them I don't have it when I know I do because of that reason. You learn such things not over night but over a period of time.