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ahoustondj

ahoustondj

Mac Daddy DJ
Aug 13, 2007
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This person's Blog on the Subject is very accurate. This should be posted EVERYWHERE, on each DJs Website and everywhere would be Clients may "go" on the Internet. Way to go Bostonian.
http://www.thebestbostondj.com/your...-are-great-at-least-thats-what-they-told-you/

About the same subject from a Photographer:
http://melissajill.com/blog.cfm?postID=710&the-truth-about-preferred-vendor-lists

Some more thoughts and comments on the subject.
http://weddingmarketing.net/2012/10/18/in-house-wedding-banquet-brochures-5/

One of the good linings to this is that it will weed out those who are not seriously doing this as a business. In other words it will become an expensive Hobby for those who have to secure Insurance, Advertising Kickbacks etc. However, it still is not a fair deal and can be Anti Trust. Potential Clients need to know this and each DJ needs to know his rights, the Business laws and legal recourse in his/her own city.
My comment is that if the client hires a DJ who does not perform well, then it is none of the Venue's business. They hold no liability for that DJs performance. Now if the Client was forced to use one of the Venue's DJs then all Hell can break loose if that Client has good Legal representation.
 
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Fortunately, in my market, there are very few (if any) venues who have exclusive-use clauses in their contracts. I do know of one venue where I'm blocked out from quoting uplighting but none that only allow certain DJs in their facility. This year, I'm toying around with doing some sub-contract arrangements with the venues and photogs to let them bundle my service in with their own. It's only costing me 10% at this point and seems to be bringing in a lot of work.
 
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ahoustondj said:
This person's Blog on the Subject is very accurate. This should be posted EVERYWHERE, on each DJs Website and everywhere would be Clients may "go" on the Internet. Way to go Bostonian.
http://www.thebestbostondj.com/your...-are-great-at-least-thats-what-they-told-you/

About the same subject from a Photographer:
http://melissajill.com/blog.cfm?postID=710&the-truth-about-preferred-vendor-lists

Some more thoughts and comments on the subject.
http://weddingmarketing.net/2012/10/18/in-house-wedding-banquet-brochures-5/

One of the good linings to this is that it will weed out those who are not seriously doing this as a business. In other words it will become an expensive Hobby for those who have to secure Insurance, Advertising Kickbacks etc. However, it still is not a fair deal and can be Anti Trust. Potential Clients need to know this and each DJ needs to know his rights, the Business laws and legal recourse in his/her own city.
My comment is that if the client hires a DJ who does not perform well, then it is none of the Venue's business. They hold no liability for that DJs performance. Now if the Client was forced to use one of the Venue's DJs then all Hell can break loose if that Client has good Legal representation.
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If this was as 'Anti Trust' as you seem to make it sound - or as 'illegal' as you make it sound, don't you think there would be a significant number of cases around the USA involving it (which would make it public news) - or do you think that you're the only one who knows of such a thing (if it's even accurate)?

I'd also like to know how many people you think have enough time, money, resources and energy to fight this. Also, in the event that you did fight it and win, do you now think your event will go off without a hitch - I mean, you DID just legally go after this business. If you decided to not have your event there because of the legalities, then why the heck even bother with it - or do you just like to be 'that guy'?

Maybe Mix could start doing this during his time - now that he's retired (that wasn't a stab at you Mix - I don't know anyone else on here that's retired).

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Off of your own link - link 3, it states the following:

Vendors are reluctant advertisers
That's the politically correct word, 'reluctant' ...

Of notice to me is the line that says:

"Unethical? Illegal?.... Maybe, and No, respectively. Flawed? Absolutely."

If we're using opinions instead of legal professionals, this person is saying it is NOT against the law - which is in direct conflict with everything you have posted. If this is accurate, you would spend all that time, energy, money and resources against all these venues and get absolutely nothing but a whole lot of new enemies and a whole lot less money.

I wonder what your legal / business law person told you?

In addition, I would like to add that we were discussing someone being blacklisted. We were not discussing preferred vendors. Because both are currently being discussed and you seem to know that these are illegal, please present your evidence / proof of this?
 
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Those just appear to be "opinion" blogs. Show us some proof of legal action(s) in the court.
 
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In addition, I would like to add that we were discussing someone being blacklisted. We were not discussing preferred vendors. Because both are currently being discussed and you seem to know that these are illegal, please present your evidence / proof of this?
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All my discussions about being Blacklists involves vendors/DJs who have NEVER played or provided service to the Venue so don't even bother to bring up the Union thing and couldn't get along thing again. I know fully well that is a DJ goes to a Venue and screws up that they can be blacklisted. That is a fact.
 
by laws here they are not allowed to do that

so I dont have to worry :)
 
DjDennis said:
by laws here they are not allowed to do that

so I dont have to worry :)
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Blacklisting is basically against the law here as well Dennis -- but it doesn't always work that way.

I don't know what it's like down under, but up here in the big cities, most everything is still Union/Mob controlled. Anybody believes the Mob was eradicated, is not living in the real world. I don't always agree with their policies, but my name ends in a vowel, and most of my "extended" family, are still part of it.

As I mentioned earlier -- all I have to do is make one call, and somebody will never be allowed to work there again. They will not be on any preferred vendors list.
 
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rickryan.com said:
Fortunately, in my market, there are very few (if any) venues who have exclusive-use clauses in their contracts. I do know of one venue where I'm blocked out from quoting uplighting but none that only allow certain DJs in their facility.
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Me too. In my area, each venue manager may have a few suggestions, or hand out a business card...
but I am not aware of any place that has a "preferred" list, and no one is forced to use particular vendors.
I'm sure some of them have their own DO NOT PLAY HERE list, and may not allow certain vendors, due to a bad experience in the past.

Good find, Canute.
I'm sure in some places, this issue could be a real....ISSUE!
As always, an educated bride is the first step to a real solution.
 
Ausumm said:
As always, an educated bride is the first step to a real solution.
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Isn't that sort of an oxymoron -- educated bride, and solution in the same sentence...? :laugh:

I tend to deal with the guys, and not the chicks painting their toenails. They are not the ones paying the bill.
 
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Randy A said:
Rick, I believe you've fell and hit your head.
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Actually, it was my back.

But in the case of a first marriage, it is the soon to be bride's parents who pay for it -- so I take the queues from them.

In a secondary marriage, such as mine -- I had to pay all the bills. So I got somewhat full say. I gave her some options, to keep her trap shut, but it was I who did all the work, took care of the venue, the venders, etc.

So, to me, you deal with whoever is paying the bill. Their alleged "special day", is probably gonna come a few times in their life. They will probably sleep with your best friend, divorce you, take your house, then marry him. So, you have at least 2, or maybe 3 gigs out of most gals.
 
Randy A said:
There's probably a reason you don't work much....you've lost you're frickin mind.
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Possibly... :) Could you find it for me...?

I work in a different environment. We're not "bride centric" here. It's who pays the bills.

Perhaps it is different in your area, and I'm ok with that.
 
Randy A said:
I wish I had the energy to play along, but all I got is "I'm sure you have no clue how it really works anymore."
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Like I said -- difference. I have no desire to be the jack of all trades. I focus on what I am good at, and leave the used car salesman's to do the rest.

I can do a little local bar, maybe get $150-200. Free food and beer, and a tip jar with a few hundred. No meetings with idiotic brides to be, no hauling gear, etc. I just carry a lappy, and plug in.

Some of you folks, spend hours in meetings, carrying equipment, setting up lights. What are the odds you're netting more than I am...? So if I walk out of the bar with $500-600 in cash, for 4 hours work, who made more cash flow?. You have to consider what you net.
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
Like I said -- difference. I have no desire to be the jack of all trades. I focus on what I am good at, and leave the used car salesman's to do the rest.

I can do a little local bar, maybe get $150-200. Free food and beer, and a tip jar with a few hundred. No meetings with idiotic brides to be, no hauling gear, etc. I just carry a lappy, and plug in.

Some of you folks, spend hours in meetings, carrying equipment, setting up lights. What are the odds you're netting more than I am...? So if I walk out of the bar with $500-600 in cash, for 4 hours work, who made more cash flow?. You have to consider what you net.
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Don't discuss gigs .. you haven't done a real-world gig in ages. And, who's netting more? Have you forgotten your last year of posts? ;)
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
But in the case of a first marriage, it is the soon to be bride's parents who pay for it -- so I take the queues from them. In a secondary marriage, such as mine -- I had to pay all the bills. So I got somewhat full say. I gave her some options, to keep her trap shut, but it was I who did all the work, took care of the venue, the venders, etc. So, to me, you deal with whoever is paying the bill. Their alleged "special day", is probably gonna come a few times in their life. They will probably sleep with your best friend, divorce you, take your house, then marry him. So, you have at least 2, or maybe 3 gigs out of most gals.
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Yes, Rick....
you've been a "Long Time Gone".
(And now I know why you don't have a woman in your life.)
 
Randy A said:
Don't discuss gigs .. you haven't done a real-world gig in ages.
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Not exactly true Randy -- Sometimes you need to read between the lines, and some times people don't actually tell you what they do -- it might not be in their best interest ;)


BTW, I can honestly say I don't like doing weddings anymore -- in fact I don't believe in marriage any more. Far too much work in my book.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Not exactly true Randy -- Sometimes you need to read between the lines, and some times people don't actually tell you what they do -- it might not be in their best interest ;)


BTW, I can honestly say I don't like doing weddings anymore -- in fact I don't believe in marriage any more. Far too much work in my book.
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Fess up .. you don't believe in anything normal anymore .. :eek:
 
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