I didn't get the convention but.....................

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OK I hear you all. Now I have simple question to all. If you were looking for a DJ to do a bowling party, how much would spend for a DJ to do such an event? Trust me I'm not asking this question to make a joke.


Depends -- if I wanted a particular DJ, I would pay his/her price. It's sorta the same as what I said in the other thread, about the fact that I charge $250 per hour (3 hr min). That applies to basically anything I do -- I couldn't care less if it's a bowling alley, or a banquet hall. I also don't travel far -- about 20-25 miles is my limit, so all costs are built into the hourly charge.

Other people may do it differently, but that's how I work.

BTW, don't call me for any gigs right now -- my rack setup is in storage 1500 miles south of here, all I have is speakers here, and they're holding up a table... :-/
 
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oh great here we go again!!!!!
 
People and Jimmy have been trying to compare what he did for Citi Corp and me doing this bowling party.

I don't think anyone was comparing what he did for Citi Corp and the bowling party. You started asking questions about the Citi Corp party. Also not sure why you then go on to defend the bowling party.
 
...the fact that I charge $250 per hour (3 hr min). That applies to basically anything I do -- I couldn't care less if it's a bowling alley, or a banquet hall. I also don't travel far -- about 20-25 miles is my limit, so all costs are built into the hourly charge.

...and this Mix, illustrates something that a lot of DJs seem to arrogant to grasp: that the customer's are qualifying their vendors just as much as we are qualifying our clients. What you offer a prospect has to be based on a realistic assessment of their organizational or personal resources.

The irony of Rick's statement is that at $1,000 for 4hrs - it is unlikely a bowling league would hire him. Bowling leagues in general don't have that kind of disposable revenue. If you want some of that work you have to formulate a plan that qualifies under their budget. Perhaps that means offering a lower rate on weeknights - or sending a trainee to do these whenever you are booked on a better opportunity. Maybe you rent them gear to do it themselves. Whatever the answer - it is something that realistically fits the profile of what they are doing.

The other aspect is "self-insuring" your reliability. That means: never quote a job lower than what it will cost you to get a qualified replacement on short notice. If you book a gig at $250 and then can't follow through - you'll have a hard time at that rate finding another professional DJ to take your place. Your reputation for reliability suffers a powerful hit if you cancel on a client. This is a referral business - you need to live up to what you promise even if your promise was a bad idea.
 
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The irony of Rick's statement is that at $1,000 for 4hrs - it is unlikely a bowling league would hire him. Bowling leagues in general don't have that kind of disposable revenue.


Most of what I've seen up this way (NY), is the alley itself throws the gig, not a league. There are 3 within roughly 10 miles of me, and they all have huge bars, 2 of them have stages setup. Most of the times they use bands in my experience, and they pay them decent, because like a club, they make their money off the drinks and food.

Lots of people go just for the music and the bar, and not to bowl. Sometimes, if you go there just for the bar and music, they will charge an admission fee. Me, I don't bowl, so I only went for the entertainment and drinks. I've went to see my friends band a number of times, and he said they were getting decent money.

This is a band friendly area -- people seem to prefer live entertainment around here (BTW, I am one of them).
 
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I'm very happy to make this post believe it or not. On Sunday I went to a meeting to find out who was the DJ they picked and how much they were paying that DJ? I didn't get to find out what the DJ is getting paid to do the convention. I'll find that out later. I couldn't stay at that meeting because I had another one to go to. I did find out who the DJ will be and I'm very happy that this DJ finally got to do a convention. There's him and another DJ I know who will be doing the convention. I sent him a text message congratulating him on finally getting to do a convention.

Now let me say this. He's an excellent DJ! No it's not that he's better then me. I'm as good as he is. That's not my ego getting in the way. We've both seen each other at work and have worked together at parties. He'll tell you I'm damn good too. This same DJ is one of the 2 DJ's I know that I would have rented the gear to do the convention had they picked us to do it. He's the guy who supplies the DJ's that have done them in the past with the gear to get the job done right.

Now to be fair the one thing he got over me is that he's has the gear to do the convention properly. Using the 6 speakers I have in the basement wouldn't be good enough because what they do is put the DJ for the dance in their big ballroom. So you really need a big system for such a large room. The room has 3 to 4 dividers where you can make up to 4 separate rooms instead of one gigantic room. So stop the hating. I'm proud he got it and I know he will do a great job.

Maybe next time it will be my turn. Now just so you know he got it because he's very well known with them and I'm just getting my foot in the door finally. If I can I plan to make the convention just to hear them play and hear them rock the out house! Way to go homie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
...and this Mix, illustrates something that a lot of DJs seem to arrogant to grasp: that the customer's are qualifying their vendors just as much as we are qualifying our clients. What you offer a prospect has to be based on a realistic assessment of their organizational or personal resources.

The irony of Rick's statement is that at $1,000 for 4hrs - it is unlikely a bowling league would hire him. Bowling leagues in general don't have that kind of disposable revenue. If you want some of that work you have to formulate a plan that qualifies under their budget. Perhaps that means offering a lower rate on weeknights - or sending a trainee to do these whenever you are booked on a better opportunity. Maybe you rent them gear to do it themselves. Whatever the answer - it is something that realistically fits the profile of what they are doing.

The other aspect is "self-insuring" your reliability. That means: never quote a job lower than what it will cost you to get a qualified replacement on short notice. If you book a gig at $250 and then can't follow through - you'll have a hard time at that rate finding another professional DJ to take your place. Your reputation for reliability suffers a powerful hit if you cancel on a client. This is a referral business - you need to live up to what you promise even if your promise was a bad idea.
You beat me to it. I doubt anyone for a bowling party for 3 hours would be willing to pay him $750.00. It's great that his rate is $250.00 an hour and I thank him for that. Steve Cie says he won't move any gear for less then $700.00. There should be a bottom line point that you shouldn't cross. Since this is a fund raiser not a lot of wiggle room to convince them to pay more.

Like I've said in the past some see this job we do as just some extra cash to put in their pocket. I've been there and done that long enough. I'm tired of that. So what I have to do is to make up a different business model to get away from the el cheapo clients who only want to pay peanuts for a quality show.
 
So what I have to do is to make up a different business model to get away from the el cheapo clients who only want to pay peanuts for a quality show.

MixMasterMachineSpinningYourWheels....you've been sayin' that for years. Just forget it and enjoy your $300 gigs. From the sounds of it, you have people waiting in line to book you at that price point. It will be less stress and you'll fill the books.
 
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MixMasterMachoMachoTheStuckInTheRuttMan!

Mix I went to look at a house in Scotch Plains last weekend. I loved the area and noticed Snuffy's was less than a mile away. The first thing I did was stop in and introduced myself to one of the managers and presented them with a card. We spoke for about 10 minutes and I headed out the door. Today my phone rings while I was at lunch and I was asked if I was available to do a holiday party on the 21st of December. Guess where?

I bring this up to you because this is what you should be doing. Tonight is the NJDJA party. I hope you are going.. Networking will get you work.
 
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MixMasterMachineSpinningYourWheels....you've been sayin' that for years. Just forget it and enjoy your $300 gigs. From the sounds of it, you have people waiting in line to book you at that price point. It will be less stress and you'll fill the books.


Now Danno, Randy had a good one also... ;)
 
MixMasterMachoMachoTheStuckInTheRuttMan!

Mix I went to look at a house in Scotch Plains last weekend. I loved the area and noticed Snuffy's was less than a mile away. The first thing I did was stop in and introduced myself to one of the managers and presented them with a card. We spoke for about 10 minutes and I headed out the door. Today my phone rings while I was at lunch and I was asked if I was available to do a holiday party on the 21st of December. Guess where?

I bring this up to you because this is what you should be doing. Tonight is the NJDJA party. I hope you are going.. Networking will get you work.
Can't argue with you there. Great job! I certainly need to do that and will probably do that starting Monday after I get the van back. It's in the body shop now getting fixed. The owner said it should be ready this Thursday. I have an idea of going to a place that was very elegant where we did a baby shower. It had several rooms and you could tell it cost money to have an event there.
 
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