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In moving back to vBulletin, I've been going over a lot of settings and one of them is infraction for rules violations. I just wanted to take a minute to explain them all. When I get a few minutes, I'll be rolling everything into an announcement with links. For now you can find the terms of service here and privacy policy here.

Our infractions policy is pretty basic. 1 warning plus 3 strikes and you're permanently banned. Moderators only have 1 infraction to assign that is "Term of Service violation"; it carries a 10 points and expires in 6 months.

Points and punitive action:


  • 10 Points - Just a Warning
  • 20 Points - 7 Day Ban
  • 30 Points - 30 Day Ban
  • 40 Points - Permanent Ban

We hope that you will find this easy to understand. Any questions post here or drop any one of the staff a line.
 
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I have a few questions as I see some ambiguity in the TOS plus some contradictions.
1. Are there any grounds for appeal if a member is sanctioned? In other words, if a Warning is given to a member and is later found to be an unfair one, would that warning be removed and wiped clean?
2. What if a debate of ideas between two members are construed as an argument by one Mod when in reality it is not and one member is sanctioned as a result? Is there any recourse?
3. Having several Mods constitutes several opinions, isn't giving one Mod a free hand kind of making that Mod Judge, Jury and Executioner? I would think that there would be a consensus of all the Mods or a report of the infraction in question to the Forum's Owner so a decision can be made? What one may construe as an infraction may not actually be an infraction.
4. Can you define "Spam"? Is posting a link or photo of equipment being discussed considered Spam? I get articles from the Industry that spotlights and reviews new equipment all the time, some of these I share here with the group, is that considered spam if I were to make such a posting? (That can be considered a non solicited post based on "some" people's interpretations).
If I think of any more questions I will post.
 
ahoustondj said:
If I think of any more questions I will post.
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We are looking forward to that. As a matter of fact, I was just thinking as I was cleaning the sink, that there must be better ways to spread your infractions.

Hey Danno, can you give me 1 for that, or was it too mild...?

I need to learn to be more aggressive... :cheers:
 
ahoustondj said:
I have a few questions as I see some ambiguity in the TOS plus some contradictions.
1. Are there any grounds for appeal if a member is sanctioned? In other words, if a Warning is given to a member and is later found to be an unfair one, would that warning be removed and wiped clean?
2. What if a debate of ideas between two members are construed as an argument by one Mod when in reality it is not and one member is sanctioned as a result? Is there any recourse?
3. Having several Mods constitutes several opinions, isn't giving one Mod a free hand kind of making that Mod Judge, Jury and Executioner? I would think that there would be a consensus of all the Mods or a report of the infraction in question to the Forum's Owner so a decision can be made? What one may construe as an infraction may not actually be an infraction.
4. Can you define "Spam"? Is posting a link or photo of equipment being discussed considered Spam? I get articles from the Industry that spotlights and reviews new equipment all the time, some of these I share here with the group, is that considered spam if I were to make such a posting? (That can be considered a non solicited post based on "some" people's interpretations).
If I think of any more questions I will post.
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  1. Infractions can be reversed. Mods usually discuss any infraction that's going to result in a ban before issuing it.
  2. Same as # 1
  3. In all but egregious situations there is usually a consensus among mods before a banning infraction is issued. We actually talk about these things. :) The last thing we want to do is ban any member so it's usually a walk softly and carry a big stick situation.
  4. Spam is simply unsolicited advertising. This rule is squarely aimed at spammers that come here only to drop links and industry reps who come here only to pimp their products/services without an advertising agreement in place. Posting links to equipment your talking about or suggesting is just fine. Posting of sales/promotions for other members to take advantage of is just fine for long standing members.
 
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Sh_t, I couldn't even get a lousy infraction point with that witty comment...

Heck, I think I'll just drive up to Fred and Shirl's place, and live in a shed with my dog. Bet I can get an infraction then -- if I can get power, and an internet connection... I think them Amish are BS'ing us, and I can probably find a connection...
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Dan Hutter said:
  1. Infractions can be reversed. Mods usually discuss any infraction that's going to result in a ban before issuing it.
  2. Same as # 1
  3. In all but egregious situations there is usually a consensus among mods before a banning infraction is issued. We actually talk about these things. :) The last thing we want to do is ban any member so it's usually a walk softly and carry a big stick situation.
  4. Spam is simply unsolicited advertising. This rule is squarely aimed at spammers that come here only to drop links and industry reps who come here only to pimp their products/services without an advertising agreement in place. Posting links to equipment your talking about or suggesting is just fine. Posting of sales/promotions for other members to take advantage of is just fine for long standing members.
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I really was not referring to the ban, I was more concerned with the infractions that precede the ban. To get a ban one has to have had a few infractions beforehand......my question what recourse does one have to rescind the ones beforehand so that they don't count?
 
ahoustondj said:
I really was not referring to the ban, I was more concerned with the infractions that precede the ban. To get a ban one has to have had a few infractions beforehand......my question what recourse does one have to rescind the ones beforehand so that they don't count?
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You can send a PM to the moderator who issued the infraction and discuss it with them.
 
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Dan Hutter said:
You can send a PM to the moderator who issued the infraction and discuss it with them.
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Unlike most boards where they ignore you when you ask about an infraction.
 
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ahoustondj said:
......my question what recourse does one have to rescind the ones beforehand so that they don't count?
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Canute -- I've been hanging out here since around 2006. You've got about the fairest mods you'll find on the planet.

I've been on boards where they'll knock you off with one post they don't like it. Here, you will get warnings first, behind the scenes -- I've gotten a number of them. I probably deserved them.

It doesn't hurt to reach out, and ask why (again, behind the scenes). If you post it publicly, you are putting someone on the spot. Use some decorum... ;)
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
It doesn't hurt to reach out, and ask why (again, behind the scenes). If you post it publicly, you are putting someone on the spot. Use some decorum... ;)
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The questions I have asked above are general. They can affect anyone. If I had a personal issue of course I would not post it to be answered in the public eye.
 
I will reiterate that the mods do have a lot of backstage discussions. We even rag on each other if we think someone is being a little harsh or a little soft. So, never is one mod in complete control...it's almost impossible for a single mod to do too much damage....we keep each other in line.
 
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Precisionpower said:
I've been patiently waiting for someone to make me mad, But i think Sparkie has them all scared
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BITE ME!!!!!!! :D :D :D
Seriously I have no problems with the mods, we had some missteps with Sparkie, but unlike other places things got talked and worked out and personally the people in this place are like family. We care and worry about what goes on besides DJing hell we bug and poke at Canute but if you remove the layers he has some good stuff to offer, let's face it we need to get the info fast before Alzheimer's strikes ;)
 
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and how do we know when we've received a point, and how many we have?
 
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well thats me all ovver!
 
This is the most easy-going forum I spend time at...........just wish I had more time lately to spend here :-(

All in all to me things here seem to run very smooth, 'course I'm the kind of guy where if I don't like it, I don't read it. Way easy that way.....
 
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