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troll v.,n. To utter a posting on a forum designed to attract predictable responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies"; which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.

The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll.


I am classifying this post as a way to shine a light on something that I feel that many of you don’t see.

First, welcoming of new members. I have never been soo disgusted in the way many of the members here treat new members; from the ‘this has already been posted’ comments to the ‘you cant do parties with only 2 x15’ speakers’ or ‘your equiptment is not as expensive as mine so your stuff sucks’ comments. It’s getting old people!

Second, Cesar (the reason for the troll definition)! Yup you all heard the name, read his posts, asked where he lives, ask to show himself, bash him for his posts, and bash him for what he claims for the amount of gigs he does. Cesar has a great amount of knowledge in this industry and gives his knowledge to us in the form of a question; it’s that simple. If you don’t know how to answer the question, don’t start having a hissy fit over his post. Read it, understand it, question yourself, it’s called growth and I commend Cesar for helping me grow. Deserves a Standing O!

I have been a mobile DJ all my life, went away from it for a few years only to be dragged back in with a new perspective on it. Keep it Simple! Why do we make things so difficult?

Right now as a hobbyist, I am a DJ. When I was PT, I was a DJ. When I ran a multi op, I was a DJ.

Most of the above is just me ranting, as I come back to this forum and almost want to leave again because of the snotty holier than thou responses from some.

Thanks for Reading, member since the beginning!
simplyAl
 
Someone woke up on the wrong side ...

First, while I agree that some newcomers are handled a bit gruffly, to be fair, many times all we see are questions like "How do I do this best to make more money tonight?" or something to that effect, without getting an introduction, any background or even some of the basics like what equipment the person has or what they want to do with it. This is a forum to share information, it's not a one way street.

As for Cesar, we (at least I) have no idea whether he has ANY information as he steadfastly refuses to identify himself, so how am I to know he has a lot of industry knowledge? Maybe a little background an introduction and some basic common cutesy information would go a long way. I assume he is not under the witness protection program.
 
Someone woke up on the wrong side ...
Nope, woke up on the correct side, hence, the reason for my post. If I woke on the wrong side then I would have ignored all this childish behavior and not said anything.

First, while I agree that some newcomers are handled a bit gruffly, to be fair, many times all we see are questions like "How do I do this best to make more money tonight?" or something to that effect, without getting an introduction, any background or even some of the basics like what equipment the person has or what they want to do with it. This is a forum to share information, it's not a one way street.

So do we need to be a$$es to them? Lets point them in the right direction and then ask for feedback.

As for Cesar, we (at least I) have no idea whether he has ANY information as he steadfastly refuses to identify himself, so how am I to know he has a lot of industry knowledge? Maybe a little background an introduction and some basic common cutesy information would go a long way. I assume he is not under the witness protection program.

You can't read?? This is exactly what I am speaking of ^^^ !! You are assuming to much. You assume he is not in the witness protection program, you state that you don't know if his info is valid because you don't know him, where he lives, how much he charges, and he didn't fluff up an intro, so he MUST NOT be a DJ in your eyes, right?
 
You can't read?? This is exactly what I am speaking of ^^^ !! You are assuming to much. You assume he is not in the witness protection program, you state that you don't know if his info is valid because you don't know him, where he lives, how much he charges, and he didn't fluff up an intro, so he MUST NOT be a DJ in your eyes, right?

I'm lost .. I have NO information on Cesar except that he lives in Southern CA. NONE. So I have to assume everything, as he won't pony up to at least do a normal introduction. Maybe he didn't fluff up an intro, but as far as I can see ... he didn't do one either. SO how the heck can I assume he is a DJ? Maybe you know him, but many of us do not. It's not like he wasn't asked to .. he just ignores it. If he is in witless protection, he shouldn't be on any board .. otherwise he can man up a bit.
 
In your eyes Steve, am I a DJ? Do I have information worth sharing? and why?
Given that you have in the past shared information, shared your website, I can assume you are, and therfore have valid input.
 
If you can
I'm lost .. I have NO information on Cesar except that he lives in Southern CA. NONE. So I have to assume everything, as he won't pony up to at least do a normal introduction. Maybe he didn't fluff up an intro, but as far as I can see ... he didn't do one either. SO how the heck can I assume he is a DJ? Maybe you know him, but many of us do not. It's not like he wasn't asked to .. he just ignores it. If he is in witless protection, he shouldn't be on any board .. otherwise he can man up a bit.

What I am getting at, You can't read! If you could, you could tell that Cesar is an intelligent DJ that shares useful information in his posts in the form of a question.

Given that you have in the past shared information, shared your website, I can assume you are, and therfore have valid input.

Who I was 6 years ago when joining this site and who I am as a DJ now (which many of you have no clue), would shock this board and the industry!
 
Someone woke up on the wrong side ...

First, while I agree that some newcomers are handled a bit gruffly, to be fair, many times all we see are questions like "How do I do this best to make more money tonight?" or something to that effect, without getting an introduction, any background or even some of the basics like what equipment the person has or what they want to do with it. This is a forum to share information, it's not a one way street.

As for Cesar, we (at least I) have no idea whether he has ANY information as he steadfastly refuses to identify himself, so how am I to know he has a lot of industry knowledge? Maybe a little background an introduction and some basic common cutesy information would go a long way. I assume he is not under the witness protection program.

Steve - really, why should anyone give a dam; eithert 1) provide an answer or 2) Ignore the post
this doesn't just apply to "newbies"......if you don't want to assist...fine...just respectfully don't respond; don't you think the OP will get it if all he hears are crickets chirping.....If you don't like Cesar, use the ignore button?

Isn't this really simple? Is there a need to badger, trolll, bully...or as some put it offer "tough love"?

I see that you don't have a web page and describe yourself as in the field of computer technology.....where does that fit here in terms of credibility.....
 
Can you tell us WHY Cesar can't tell us who he is? You may believe his comments have merit, but to me, hiding behind an anonymous is a big old red flag.
 
Wow .. beat up on me day ... ok

I never said it was good to beat up or badger anyone (including me) .. only said that in fairness, there are many people who want a quick answer and don't offer anything up in return (I won't repeat the list from above).
 
Well SimplyAL, that's simply your opinion. Myself and many of the people guilty of being what you describe as "a$$es" are in fact some of the nicest, knowledgeable and giving folks here. When a newbie walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, they're most likely a duck. When you enter into a forum, you get what you give. Sometimes others find that the best way to serve someone is with the hard truth other than a fluffy innuendo. You can object to it, but you can't stop it. Not everyone with the notion is cut out to be a DJ or any professional.

We don't have such a large and thriving community full of knowledge and experience here because we're a$$es. We have it it because we're not.

As for Cesar... He can certainly be all that you say. But until he shares the same side of himself that you speak of with the whole community, he's going to continue to get what he inspires.

Simply my two cents.


Why should he? He has nothing to prove to us.
Then why does he consistantly ask for proof from us?


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Why couldn't Cesar offer any of this during the MANY times he was asked for it? Thank you ...

Steve, many of us could have done that at any time. I was asked by Cesar not to and I respected that. It's not your place or Al's to offer his links publicly. You could have done so in private.
 
I have never offered his information to anyone. And yes, I would agree that any reference to his information is removed from this thread.
 
are we 3 years old again?
You tell me. This was your rant and his actions. Do you think he would have stopped baiting folks had they "simply" said that they had nothing to prove?

What's kindergarten about this whole debate is that you are speaking for others that can speak for themselves should they choose to. The whole Justice League thing is grade school.