Ben - Source Four Jr. Zoom - HELP

To many ads? Support ODJT and see no ads!
rickryan.com

rickryan.com

Mac Daddy DJ
ODJT Supporter
Dec 9, 2009
20,046
18,426
61
Hendersonville, TN
www.rickryan.com
Okay, got to use the new zoom for the first time on Saturday. For the readers here, Ben supplied it and I bought the full alphabet of stock gobos (brushed script). The venue was The Doubletree Hotel in Nashville. A nice facility and the staff was highly, highly complimentary. I'm still waffling about the gobo. Now before you rip me, the room was completely re-configured (walls moved around) between ceremony and reception. I was squeezed on setup time and ended up shooting the projector from my DJ stand. It was about a 40-ft throw.

First off, I A/Bed the SF against the Chauvet Zoom LED (sorry, no pics). There's simply no comparison. The SF torched that wall whereas the Zoom you could hardly see. The bad, the letter was too large. In looking back, I'm wondering if I shouldn't have hung it from one of my t-bars (in the shot) and hit the wall from about 15 feet away. Just asking for some general advice/direction on placing this fixture. Can you hit a wall from that close up and that far to the side and not have the image skewed sideways? There was also about 2-feet between the stage and the wall. Could I have put the fixture in the floor and projected up? Full album at: https://picasaweb.google.com/rick1ryan/20110702JennaJoeNashvilleTNDoubleTreeHotel#

IMG_9560.jpg

IMG_9564.jpg

Source Four in this shot
IMG_9560.jpg
 

Attachments

  • IMG_9560.JPG
    IMG_9560.JPG
    52.1 KB · Views: 0
I know a lot of projectors have an adjustment for skew....
not sure about the Source 4
perhaps you should use a single speaker stand to use JUST for the Source 4
then you can put it where it needs to be
regardless of the rest of your setup
 
I can say it was most clear and bright compared to most of your past offerings and way better than a few of the early ones.
 
A 40' throw is going to be pretty tough... obviously the Source4 has plenty of throw... but the image size can be an issue since it's smallest beam angle is 25 degrees. I wouldn't shoot it from the side though... there is no way to compensate for the tremendous skew you'll create. Try to hit it from as straight on as possible. When a skewed throw is required we can create custom gobos with built in skew correction but we'll need some critical pieces of information from you to get them right.

Ben
 
I'm going to throw my opinion in.....Why just the one letter? How is this gobo suitable for a wedding...Don't get it....I meant it could stand for Putz for all I know.....
It is bright though...For what it cost; I would expect it to be so...

Tuck - your turn....
 
Wow LeBlanc maybe I will move to Freddy and team up with you I believe we agree on that single letter gobo thought. I find it funny how DJs who even in there best attempt are not a DJ artist passioned about the main job they hold and suddenly feel oh lets get into other avenues to give value for our services even if we are not any shape or form qualified. There are reasons people go to school for design and decor as well as photography, videography, the culinary arts. Just because one can purchase lights , gobos, uplighting. A decorator with artful talent one does not instantly become.
 
Steve LeBlanc said:
I'm going to throw my opinion in.....Why just the one letter? How is this gobo suitable for a wedding...Don't get it....I meant it could stand for Putz for all I know.....
It is bright though...For what it cost; I would expect it to be so...

Tuck - your turn....
Click to expand...

My approach, right or wrong, is you get a "stock" gobo (i.e. single letter of the groom's last name) with the package deal. If you want a custom gobo cut, no problem, but it costs extra.
 
Leikos nee dto be selected based on each application you plan to use them in. The size of the image is a function of the throw distance and the beam angle.

A 19-35 dregree zoom is a good range for the kind of wedding gobos you wantto do.At 19 degrees or less you can be pretty far away and still have a small enough image to fit where you want.

There is no correction within the fixture for keystone since it is simply a series of lenses. If you can predict your angle you can layout your gobo graphics to offset the keystone. The draw back to this is that real life seldom mimics are planbs close enough for this to be 100% reliable. It is better to place the ficture dead on whenevr you can. Ceilig mount is usually the best placement since it can be dead on, clear of obstacles, and out of the way.
 
For Ben, Bob, or anybody who knows gobos and beam angles...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when designing a custom gobo, couldn't I theoretically compensate for a longer throw by making the image smaller in relation to the overall gobo space?
 
Wayde you get a blue ribbon my ikea light using home made gobos from a printer allowed me such an offering. I got mine stolen along with some accessories a few yrs back when my Van got heisted from a secure parking garage. (I didnt replace it as gobos werent going to make me alot of money unless I invested in a professional grade unit.)
 
Proformance said:
Leikos nee dto be selected based on each application you plan to use them in. The size of the image is a function of the throw distance and the beam angle.

A 19-35 dregree zoom is a good range for the kind of wedding gobos you wantto do.At 19 degrees or less you can be pretty far away and still have a small enough image to fit where you want.

There is no correction within the fixture for keystone since it is simply a series of lenses. If you can predict your angle you can layout your gobo graphics to offset the keystone. The draw back to this is that real life seldom mimics are planbs close enough for this to be 100% reliable. It is better to place the ficture dead on whenevr you can. Ceilig mount is usually the best placement since it can be dead on, clear of obstacles, and out of the way.
Click to expand...

So I got the wrong projector? Um........
 
rickryan.com said:
So I got the wrong projector? Um........
Click to expand...

Not necessarily. For one thing, I've never heard of a 19-35 degree zoom, at least by ETC. (I'm sure there is one by somebody else) Your other option is to get a regular 19 degree full size SF. But then you are limited in terms of short throws. The Zoom Jr is 26-50 degrees, you simply need to know your spread over different distances and be ready to adjust as needed.

I have been debating different projectors for some time, and have rented different ones as well for comparison. It seems I will be settling on the Zoom Jr for now.
 
WaydeWest said:
Not necessarily. For one thing, I've never heard of a 19-35 degree zoom, at least by ETC. (I'm sure there is one by somebody else) Your other option is to get a regular 19 degree full size SF. But then you are limited in terms of short throws. The Zoom Jr is 26-50 degrees, you simply need to know your spread over different distances and be ready to adjust as needed.

I have been debating different projectors for some time, and have rented different ones as well for comparison. It seems I will be settling on the Zoom Jr for now.
Click to expand...

The Zoom Jr is bright but I did get an odd comment from the Server Captain. He asked me about "that burning smell". Not sure if it was the new plate or unit but it did have an odor for the first couple of hours. I'd hate to have had it up near the couple's table and have the bride complain about it.
 
kind of like that new car smell it has a break in period. Was your gobo wrapped in plastic? Residue has to burn off if you didnt clean them up before use. Common Sense says anyhow.
 
Jon Tuck said:
kind of like that new car smell it has a break in period. Was your gobo wrapped in plastic? Residue has to burn off if you didnt clean them up before use. Common Sense says anyhow.
Click to expand...

You talking about the plastic sleeve the gobos come in? You know, at the end of the night there was a black, charred area on the metal plate. Man, I bet that dude gets hot!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back