HELP!! I need sound card assistance!

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LoudspeakerDJ

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I use virtual dj, but have begun trying to use 2 sound cards for two seperated decks into the mixer. My problem is one of them pops with what seams as the harddrive. At that time I was using the sound on the mother board, and a second sound blaster card. I noticed the popping was out of the onboard sound card, so purchased another sound blaster card. Now, no matter which two cards I use out of 3, one of them makes the popping sound. I can use anyone one of them by itself in single out mode and they all work fine. What's the deal? HELP!
 
I'll jump in on this one.


It might be a chipset issue on the sound cards, whether they be internal or external.

I've seen the same problem on USB sound cards, and internal cards.

We don't know yet what the actual problem is, but with so many MS updates coming out, it could also well be a software issue in the OS...

This is a tough one to track down.

I've got my ears to the ground, and I'm building some software to take a looky see at the problem. No guarantees, but I'll see what I can find out...
 
You are the resident computer expert. Your advice has helped me in the past. Is there anything I can try right now to remedy this annoying problem?
 
Loud,

Give me a bit of time, I need to write some stuff to check it out.

There are a lot of factors here. MS may have updated security on the USB bus, or the internal PCI bus, or both.

I've seen it myself, so I know it's real.

I'll do it as quick as I can...
 
Rick : Same computer, two identical sound cards? How? Has never worked before in any OS, has it? This sounds like a single driver to two identical device issue. If this user has a single multiple output device (e.g. GigaPortAG with 4 assignable stereo outs) that VDJ does recognize and is allowed to be assigned as such, this issue goes away, doesn't it?
 
All three cards are actually a little different.

I prefer not to use an external device, I want to keep the internal stuff if possible, for I have enough wires etc as it is.

This may be the only option though in the end.
 
Not really Cap.

Soundblasters are beasts, as if you use their drivers, they see only one card.

If you use internal Windows drivers, they become two separate goats. I always recommend not installing the drivers that come with sound cards, unless you have only one.

Same with USB cards.

Problem is, I've seen some changes lately with the popping.
My best guess so far, is this may be a security update to Windows, and may be a byproduct of that in their internal drivers that handle the sound cards through DirectSound, which has many security issues with buffer overruns.

I'll dig into this, but beware, MS is not always forthcoming on their security changes that effect the busses, so I may have to dig pretty deep...
 
Have you tried adjusting the audio settings in VDJ (latency, etc)?
 
Cap,

I missed the part of your post about the Gigaport, which I now highly do not recommend.

In order to use the Giga with all it's outputs, you need to use ASIO drivers, which are not MS products, and are not standardized throughout the hardware industry (ASIO are Steinberg standards - read: 3rd party).

Different manufacturers, implement ASIO differently.

So, card A's drivers (ASIO), might not quite match up with card B's ASIO drivers.

Confusing? Yupper! Even worse for developers!


Stick with WDM drivers, is my advice for the moment.
 
jfactor1 said:
Have you tried adjusting the audio settings in VDJ (latency, etc)?
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I cant thank youguys enough for your suggestions. I tried everything in the vdj software EXCEPT turning off the safe mode. I can;t beleive it but turning that off has solved the problem. I am going to let it mix on its own for awhile and make sure this does not affect anything else.

You guys are great
Thanks
 
This is a known issue with versions between 4.0 and fixed in 4.2r1.
If you are not running the most recent version please update it.

As Cap states, with a single multi channel card the problems goes away.
Any Professional dj should be using this type of hardware as on board sound hasn't got the quality usually and when you split it you will have better sound in one channel than the other.

Off subject for a sec and not to argue with Rick....but
Gigaport is probably the most versatile card there is and works quite well with vdj.
Do NOT run the drivers that came with the card, if you did then delete them.
Restart windows with the card connected and let windows install their own drivers.
Enable the gigaport in sound settings as the default sound card , then open the program.
Set the card up in 4.1 sound select external mixer, find the card in the drop box and select 1/2 front, 3/4 rear and attach your patches to the lit leds in the see through case.
 
Is there another product besides the gigaport that would work. I was thinking more like 100 dollars bu the gigaport runs 180. Seems like alot for me. Not that I'm a cheap skate, just dont want to buy more than i really need.
 
Honestly, the sound card is the most important part of your system.
Gigaport is entry level, but a solid card with thousands of happy users.
 
mp3Rick : Why not the ASIO drivers? Will the default windows drivers allow software channel selection in VDJ?
 
That will work too Cap, starting with the simple set up here.

U46DJ:
Nice card till it drops you on your head, then I sold it.
When a company repeatedly takes its current drivers off their site and forces you to run drivers from 2005 and then takes a deaf ear to support I'd rethink that.
http://www.esi-pro.com/download.php
Same goes for the gigaport only it doesn't shut down, it just doesn't know what channel is what and goes back to 2003.
Typically the back channel comes up on 5-6 for some reason, but it works.

My card of choice currently is the M Audio Fast Track Pro for many reasons, but it won't work for tcv as it doesn't have inputs.
At least M Audio answers the frikin phone.
It is a bit sensative to static however, so don't make or break connections live with it.
Other than that it's a jewel of a card for under $200.
 
mp3Rick : Um, er, ah, hm, ah, what's tcv?

Any reason why the ASIO drivers are not good? They've always seemed to outperform windows drivers, quality-wise, to my ear. I'm Win XP Pro SR1a (though z by now). Does the OS make, model, serial number, and rank make a difference whether to choose ASIO or Win?
 
Cap,
I never suggested or implied that ASIO drivers were no good, I use them myself. I was only illustrating the simplest way to set up a multi channel card in windows.

TCV or TCCD (time coded compact discs) are methods of external control of the playback file through the use of vinyl or cd's that have a wave or time code recorded on them, sounds like a tone but looks like a wave form.
This allows djs to scratch with the program as the source (vinyl or cd) is synchronized with the playback file.
Best shown and explained in this video.
YouTube - Virtual Dj Demo (outdated--but still usefull info)

Just what every bride wants at her wedding........
 
mp3Rick : (The link you provided)...Amazing stuff, 99% of which I'm incapable of doing :sqembarrassed: with VDJ. While the output was impressive, what buttons, features, and mechanics he was specifically using and doing to obtain his output remains a complete mystery.

There's no doubt that a hands-on, real-world, 101 through 301, live, one-on-one, in-person, tutorial would be the shortest easiest route to my desired VDJ euphoria, especially in lieu of the confusing documentation (and weirdest user forum structure ever). I'm mean needing to make edits in the registry file is not a traditional user configuration mode, is it?

Johnny Dee and Brian Fligg are both within a couple of hours of me and have volunteered their time. Taking advantage of their gracious offers has become a priority.
 
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