Best Hazer? Please help me pick!

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So I just used the MBT HZ-300 for the first time tonight... it gives good haze, and in just under a minute the whole dancefloor has a nice thin layer.
I give it a thumbs up, its quick, no warm up time at all.... just plug it in and ready to go.
I used American DJ oil based haze in it, worked great. I tried ordering the MBT but I had 2 sellers cancel it on me saying they couldn't get it in, guess MBT is out right now or something.
 
dobby10 said:
So I just used the MBT HZ-300 for the first time tonight... it gives good haze, and in just under a minute the whole dancefloor has a nice thin layer.
I give it a thumbs up, its quick, no warm up time at all.... just plug it in and ready to go.
I used American DJ oil based haze in it, worked great. I tried ordering the MBT but I had 2 sellers cancel it on me saying they couldn't get it in, guess MBT is out right now or something.
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I was wondering if ADJ haze fluid would work without causing any issues, because I was having a hard time locating fluid for the MBT as well. Fluid availability is one thing that I'm considering for my final decision. I know all manufactures recommend using their own fluid for specific machines (more sales probably), but really, how different is each oil base to another oil base fluid? Seems like the ADJ fluid is more available through many online sellers.

I'm leaning towards the MBT HZ300 because of 1700 cf/m output versus the ADJ hazer generator @ 1000 cf/m output, plus the MBT has DMX control.

My only concern right now is fluid availability. I guess if I found MBT fluid and ordered 2 gallons or more from the get go, I wouldn't need to order more fluid for a long time.

Has anyone used Froggy's oil base fluid? It says comparable to Antari, MBT, MDG, CITC....

FROGGYS-OIL-BASED-HAZE-MACHINE-FLUID-HAZE-JUICE-1GAL


Here's a compatility chart from Froggy's:

http://www.froggysfog.com/category/charts/
 
I was able to get the ADJ Haze fluid cheaper than Froggy's, so I went with that. The Antari HZ300 is exclusively distributed in the US by Elation, Elation which is owned by American DJ.... I figured it was the best route. I also compared the MSDS sheets for both and it is the same oil ingredient.
 
I can't find any specs on power draw for the MBT, but the Antari HZ-300 manual shows 500 watts. The one thing that I notice different in the specs between the two is the output. The MBT shows 1700 cu.ft/min, but the Antari shows 2000 cu.ft/min. Not sure if there is actually any difference in the power draw or not.
 
Just a FYI for any of you with Chauvet items that are out of warranty. Here's my reply back from the Assistant Service Manager @ Chauvet:

"Good Morning,
We apologize for any inconvenience and all the problems your having. I can’t really tell you if is worth fixing any of your fixtures, but the labor cost is $35.00 per hour, per fixture plus shipping cost both ways and any parts that is replace. So your estimate repair cost can be less than $100 or more. Regarding the Hurricane Haze, The company did some improvements but I can not guarantee how long it will last you but you will have a 2 years warranty. Please let me know if there is anything I can assist you that might help. Thanks
Cesar A. Candamo
Asst. Service Manager
Chauvet Lighting
5200 NW 108th Avenue
Sunrise, FL 33351
1-800-762-1084 ext 4001"


By the time you add up all those charges, I don't think it's worth sending my 5 units in for repair . Doubt anyone on ebay would want it either as they are in need of repair.
 
I wanted to give an update on this thread. First, thanks to everyone for their input and comments here to help me out. You just got to love forums and the help you get from people that share the same interest. :tribiggrin:

After doing lots of looking around and reading on the net for a mid-ranged price hazer, I made the decision to get the MBT HZ-300. Just as dobby10 states below, it appears that many foggers & hazers are manufactured possibly in the same building and ultimately gets branded with different company names. Just as many other items are. Not just hazers. Are they actually built with the same exact parts and quality control? Maybe or maybe not. The ADJ Haze Generator appears to be the same exact model as the Antari HZ-100 and the MBT-300 appears to be the same exact model as the Antari HZ-300. The Omnisistem hazer 900 appears to be the same as the Antari Z300-II (these are fazers, not real hazers). Many other make & models look the same as well. Why the difference in cost? Could be difference in parts or quality control. Could be a marketing strategy. Or, I could just be totally wrong about all of this, haha!


dobby10 said:
........................The Antari HZ300 is exclusively distributed in the US by Elation, Elation which is owned by American DJ.... I figured it was the best route. I also compared the MSDS sheets for both and it is the same oil ingredient.
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I guess another thing to consider is customer support when things break. I could not find any info that says Antari is better than MBT with regards to this.

I decided to purchase the MBT HZ-300 from guitaraudio on ebay, just as dobby10 did for $439 with free shipping. I should recieve it early next week. I'll report back later with a review and possibly some pics or video.

SD
 
I recieved my new MBT HZ-300 yesterday. So that was a 5 day delivery from guitaraudio in PA down to Louisiana, but there was a weekend in the middle of that time frame. Either way, fast shipping and I like that!

This thing is nice. I had to have a look inside to check it out. No heater, just a few components. It has a big tank, compressor, fan and the electronics. It appears there are parts inside the tank. The haze comes out of the top of the tank where the lil screen is. Maybe someone can comment on what actually happens inside the tank.

A few things to note. The tank is huge, but your not supposed to top the tank off. I had a full gallon of fluid and it took a lil more than 3/4 of the gallon to get to the full mark on the front of the hazer. The manual that came with it shows 500W power consumption. The tag with the serial number shows the power consumption to be 150W?!? Who knows what it really is.

I powered this thing up and instant haze. No waiting or warm up time. It filled my music room and inclosed patio with a nice EVEN layer of haze in less than two minutes. NO smell what so ever! The haze hung around for atleast 20 minutes and slowly faded away. This would of never happened with my previous foggers or fazer (chauvet hz1000). Less than 5 minutes with my previous units, these two rooms would have not had a trace of haze/fog. So a big difference in hang time for sure with the oil base fluid. The fan and compressor noise is not bad at all. You won't hear it over crowd noise or music playing.

I have close up pics of the part numbers for the compressor, electronics and fan. If someone has the Antari HZ-300 and wants to compare part numbers, I love to see if the parts match or if there is a difference between the two models. Just let me know and I can post those pics.

My initial review of this is that it seems pretty solid as far as construction. I'm hoping for a few years of service with this thing. I hope this helps others. So far, I like it and can't wait till the first gig with it next weekend.

Cheers~!

SD
 

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Thanks Steven! P3 ordered! I'm very curious to add up my whole system and see how much draw it pulls.


So now I'm sitting on 2 Chauvet HZ-1000's that don't work right. One is pump related. The fan & heater works, but no output. The other unit works as it's supposed to sometimes, but most of the time it does not. Some times the fan blows with no output, some times 100% output, but no fan. Probably mother board related. If someone wants them, I'll take shipping cost to you, plus 20 bucks. The $20 is to cover my fuel cost and time it takes to get it to UPS (30 miles one way). Only offered here. I'm not even gonna waste my time putting them on ebay. If I get no bites, they are going in the garbage.
 
Shannon D said:
Thanks Steven! P3 ordered! I'm very curious to add up my whole system and see how much draw it pulls.


So now I'm sitting on 2 Chauvet HZ-1000's that don't work right. One is pump related. The fan & heater works, but no output. The other unit works as it's supposed to sometimes, but most of the time it does not. Some times the fan blows with no output, some times 100% output, but no fan. Probably mother board related. If someone wants them, I'll take shipping cost to you, plus 20 bucks. The $20 is to cover my fuel cost and time it takes to get it to UPS (30 miles one way). Only offered here. I'm not even gonna waste my time putting them on ebay. If I get no bites, they are going in the garbage.
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Take the pump out of the intermittent one and put in the one with the bad pump, then put it on ebay and recover some $$.
 
what happens inside the tank...I bet it's a thin tube with little holes in it that bubble air from the compressor through the oil. i've seen do-it-yourself machines that are very simple this way.
 
cclark65 said:
Take the pump out of the intermittent one and put in the one with the bad pump, then put it on ebay and recover some $$.
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I just may try that or swap mother boards. I'll bust them open and see what I come up with. I have nothing to loose, except time....

Edit: OK, so tried swapping mother boardsd, no luck. I'm not wasting any more time on this junk and don't want to feel guilty for giving these headaches to someone else. In the garbage! Time to go love up on my new hazer, haha!
 
Congrats on all the research and purchase Shannon.

I am truly hoping that this device works well for you and is "smoke detector" friendly as I would love to resume some haze with my light show.

Please let us know how it works out for you,
 
Steve Cie said:
Congrats on all the research and purchase Shannon.

I am truly hoping that this device works well for you and is "smoke detector" friendly as I would love to resume some haze with my light show.

Please let us know how it works out for you,
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Thanks Steve! Maybe this will be inspiring:

I wanted to see how long the haze will hang. I have a 12x14 music room and a 12x12 enclosed patio that are side by side rooms. I left the door open between the two rooms and turned the hz300 on for 2 minutes. This filled the two rooms with what I consider the thickest haze a room(s) should be during a gig. With normal lighting on, the haze is visible. With normal lighting off, the room looks normal. Here are a few pics right after running it for 2 minutes. The light on the floor is a Vue 2. More to come in the next post. Stay tuned!
 

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Here are a few pics 40 minutes after the 2 minute run.
 

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