What would you like in an offline DJ event software?

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jokerswild said:
Accessablity via the web..... would be #1 for me.

Not to rain on anyones parade but, as I mentioned in the other thread I'm scratching my head as to the need for an offline planning tool.

Offline accounting software for sure like Quickbooks or even simply quicken would suffice for that.

With internet access so easy to obtain whether from a free or paid wifi hotspot or a laptop aircard you have direct access to any of the top three online planners and management systems from almost anywhere.
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Rob,
I could not agree with you more. By far, the most advantageous aspect of my event software is to be able to access it from anywhere, even my phone.

But, like anything, there will always be some hold outs that are not ready to make the leap. I believe the reason they have such few choices is because fewer and fewer people want just off line solutions.

It does appear that there are at least some people that want it though. I hope you guys find what you are looking for.
 
Scott Hanna said:
Rob,
I could not agree with you more. By far, the most advantageous aspect of my event software is to be able to access it from anywhere, even my phone.

But, like anything, there will always be some hold outs that are not ready to make the leap. I believe the reason they have such few choices is because fewer and fewer people want just off line solutions.

It does appear that there are at least some people that want it though. I hope you guys find what you are looking for.
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Wow. Who new there were such web-centric personalities?

You're wrong about there being few choices out there. There are plenty of comprehensive agency and booking softwares out there. But, what we are trying to resolve here is something that fills the gap between the remedial DJ calandars currently being peddled and the expensive agency softwares which exceed the needs (and budget) of all but the largest multi-ops.

I happen to have designed my own that works very well, and designed a multi-op variation for someone else who is still using the DOS version some 17 years later! Another local mult-op also designed his own within File Maker Pro, and it seems to wok really well for him. There are plenty of people out there using Access and other database programs shells to custom fill their needs, or using full-scale booking softwares which are quite expensive.

What does not exist - is an inexpensive simple solution for someone like Hank who's need does not justuify countless hours designing his own application. The programs that exist at this level are generally quite remedial and probably not up to the kind of information he wants to manage. This is the very reason people like me will design their own or pay higher prices for more comprehensive agency software.

We want serious back-end functionality without the wastefull frilly "online planner form" window dressing. This is software for us to work - not simply showcase on internet browsers.
 
jokerswild said:
Ummmm Quickbooks does all of that!
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Sure Rob, and we use that to report to the IRS and send invoices to clients.

But Quickbooks won't manage resource allocation, assign dancers or DJs, and can't tell me if Smiley the Clown is avialable on Spet 12th from 12-4.

It also won't generate the countless custom documents that go along with an event like the contract, riders, sub-agreements, insurance certificates, or the office reports like who's booked, what systems are scheduled, and what is out for repair.
 
Proformance said:
Sure Rob, and we use that to report to the IRS and send invoices to clients.

But Quickbooks won't manage resource allocation, assign dancers or DJs, and can't tell me if Smiley the Clown is avialable on Spet 12th from 12-4.

It also won't generate the countless custom documents that go along with an event like the contract, riders, sub-agreements, insurance certificates, or the office reports like who's booked, what systems are scheduled, and what is out for repair.
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Maybe not but it does tie in nicely with a lot of MS software such as Office that can.

Again I'm not saying that an independant offline software isn't useful, far from it. Nor am I stating that the online way is the best..... I'm mearly pointing out that the wheel has already been invented.
 
Proformance said:
Wow. Who new there were such web-centric personalities?

Yes, you and Prince think the internet is a fad,:)

You're wrong about there being few choices out there. There are plenty of comprehensive agency and booking softwares out there. But, what we are trying to resolve here is something that fills the gap between the remedial DJ calandars currently being peddled and the expensive agency softwares which exceed the needs (and budget) of all but the largest multi-ops.

I happen to have designed my own that works very well, and designed a multi-op variation for someone else who is still using the DOS version some 17 years later! Another local mult-op also designed his own within File Maker Pro, and it seems to wok really well for him. There are plenty of people out there using Access and other database programs shells to custom fill their needs, or using full-scale booking softwares which are quite expensive.

What does not exist - is an inexpensive simple solution for someone like Hank who's need does not justuify countless hours designing his own application. The programs that exist at this level are generally quite remedial and probably not up to the kind of information he wants to manage. This is the very reason people like me will design their own or pay higher prices for more comprehensive agency software.

We want serious back-end functionality without the wastefull frilly "online planner form" window dressing. This is software for us to work - not simply showcase on internet browsers.
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Like I said, I hope you find what you are looking for. I have. My clients and I work with the online planners very nicely. I don't find them wasteful or frilly. If I did, I could edit them. But I understand that some people do not want to use the web.

So, you are saying there are choices, just not good ones. I'm sorry you can't find serious back end functionality for cheap. Good work isn't cheap and cheap work isn't good.

But it sounds like a business opportunity. If you really believe that there are a lot of DJs that will want that type of software, why not write it? You certainly seem to believe you are capable.
 
Scott Hanna said:
Like I said, I hope you find what you are looking for. I have. My clients and I work with the online planners very nicely. I don't find them wasteful or frilly. If I did, I could edit them. But I understand that some people do not want to use the web.
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Understanding isn't something I'm ready to give you credit for. No one has suggested not using the web. I'm simply not relying on the web and offering people more than just a virtual doorway.

So, you are saying there are choices, just not good ones. I'm sorry you can't find serious back end functionality for cheap. Good work isn't cheap and cheap work isn't good.

But it sounds like a business opportunity. If you really believe that there are a lot of DJs that will want that type of software, why not write it? You certainly seem to believe you are capable.
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...what is it about this software versus webmin issue that dredges up all these salty retorts from part timers? Are your egos so fragile?

If you're happy with your online calendar and 3rd party web gadgets then smile and simply pass me a nice hot cup of shut the f__ up. :) Where did I say I want to take away your toys?

The title of this thread is what would you want in an offline software - so what is the point in advocating something that doesn't even meet the fundamental criteria?

PS: Check the grammar and spelling on that all important "web" of yours. A little proof reading wouldn't hurt. :yoBow:

Yes, Prince and I both think the web is dead - so we posted our opinions online.
 
Proformance said:
Understanding isn't something I'm ready to give you credit for. No one has suggested not using the web. I'm simply not relying on the web and offering people more than just a virtual doorway.



...what is it about this software versus webmin issue that dredges up all these salty retorts from part timers? Are your egos so fragile?

If you're happy with your online calendar and 3rd party web gadgets then smile and simply pass me a nice hot cup of shut the f__ up. :) Where did I say I want to take away your toys?

The title of this thread is what would you want in an offline software - so what is the point in advocating something that doesn't even meet the fundamental criteria?

PS: Check the grammar and spelling on that all important "web" of yours. A little proof reading wouldn't hurt. :yoBow:

Yes, Prince and I both think the web is dead - so we posted our opinions online.
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I simply said that I agreed with Rob, but that others were looking for a different solution. YOU were the one that had to go on about frilly web based blah blah whatever the hell you said. But I'll be perfectly honest...I rarely read everything you type...you tend to go on and on and on.
 
djsarge said:
Found this link.

http://www.djbooking.co.uk/
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I have a disc of that somewhere. I think a few years back they sent them out as trial versions in a mailling campaign. It was either that one or DJ Calendar.

If you take a good look at it you'll see that this is exactly the kind of thing you can create for yourself in something as simple as MS Works, or any data-filer. (Which is why it's only 45.00BP)

If you're good with Access and relational databases you can do much better.
 
Scott Hanna said:
blah blah whatever the hell you said. But I'll be perfectly honest...I rarely read everything you type...you tend to go on and on and on.
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Yet, that hasn't stopped you from responding. :)

The blah blah blah I was referring to might for example; be the "Availability Checker" that appears on your website that not only undermines sales - but appears in identical form on nearly 2/3 of all DJ sites you visit.

If I check your availability and get a "no" - what do you think the odds are I'll stick around long enough to check out any of your other services or links to the party store etc?
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how about we help out someone thats attempting to create one....

all he has is a google site that is for testing of the software
its an access database and I havent fully tested it yet but so far he is going very well

if anyone wants the details - you can pm me as I cant post it here...
 
Proformance said:
Yet, that hasn't stopped you from responding. :)
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That is because it usually doesn't take long to find something I disagree with.:)

Like I've said, to each his own. If someone wants an offline product, I'm all for it. I've read the reasons some people want them, and some of them make sense.
But like it or not, most people getting married are young people. Most young people have and use internet access all the time. That is why you see more "mainstream" products being produced as online. Clients have said over and over that they love having access to planners from work, from home, from their parent's house, and best friend's house. It's simply the way things are going. Which is why I believe people that want an offline product are having trouble finding what they want...as opposed to those of us that want an online product have plenty of choices and tend to like what we are using.
 
Scott, you are showing a fundamental lack of comprehension.

This is not a product for the bride.

Her interest in an online tool is distinct from my need to run an office. The intersection of the two does not dictate the kind of solution you claim.

The "problem" with finding a sofware product has nothing to do with what you speculate about "young people." It is the direct result of professional full-time DJs not being a large enough market to justify the development of quality software dedicated to that purpose. The online stuff is very easy and cheap to produce - which is why there is so much of it. It also lacks the more sophisticated capability some of us would like.
 
Proformance said:
Scott, you are showing a fundamental lack of comprehension.

This is not a product for the bride.

Her interest in an online tool is distinct from my need to run an office. The intersection of the two does not dictate the kind of solution you claim.

The "problem" with finding an online product has nothing to do with what you speculate about "young people." It is the direct result of professional full-time DJs not being a large enough market to justify the development of quality software dedicated to that purpose. The online stuff is very easy and cheap to produce - which is why there is so much of it. It also lacks the more sophisticated capability some of us would like.
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This is a very well thought out response and counter point. Well done.

I do feel that the online services I use online has very good back office tools to help me run my business. I mentioned the "bride" tools because of your earlier posts about frilly online tools.
 
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