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We'all know that Bob has a beef here. Nothing we can do about that.

Let's look at the math -- Bob is roughly 10,100 miles from the company he is b-i-t-c-hing about. I say he should get on a plane, and fly there and confront them...
 
or buy locally from Florida and be better off .. xf:D
 
If you're keeping score... 2012 is already half over, and the release date pushed back to June/July is about to be pushed back again.......

Stop me if you know this story already. :)
 
Well, if you did actually read the whole email that you started the thread with, it said the upgrade will be released at the latest by the end of July. So we only have a few more days to find out if you are right or not.

Maybe it is a scam and the company never has any intention of releasing anything. We'll see.
 
Their website is rather vague at the moment, other than the purchase by July 18th thing...

I do recall reading, that they would release in the time frame, even if they could not include all the features.

I can't seem to find that anymore...
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Their website is rather vague at the moment, other than the purchase by July 18th thing...

I do recall reading, that they would release in the time frame, even if they could not include all the features.

I can't seem to find that anymore...
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Yep, it's always been vague, which leads to some people's frustration.

But you are correct, it the full email that was used to start this thread, they said that they will release whatever they have by July 31st, even if its not a "full release".

I'm guessing, however, that they won't say what is NOT in the release that didn't get put in there.

As I've always said, I understand anyone's frustration, and I don't think it is the best way to handle this situation. I've also said that they've never handled upgrades well...just...not a scam or bait and switch.
 
I'm sticking with OTS in the hope that the new release will incorporate DMX control software.
 
Can you tell which DJ Software I use?
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TwinSpinDJ said:
I'm sticking with OTS in the hope that the new release will incorporate DMX control software.
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Lighting control from a company that has no theatrical lighting background, products, or experience seems far fetched. What reason is there to expect DMX? Isn't that like waiting for the grocery store to add an auto-parts aisle?

The history of Ots is in radio automation - which is content management and the design hails from the broadcast arena not live or theatrical productions. That is essentially why the DJ versions of Ots are missing so many of the most basic mix functions. They've never fully understood what DJs outside of a radio station actually do. Unlike Denon, Pioneer, Rane, etc. who invested years into learning what it is club and mobile DJs want - Ots only took a cursory look at consumer and web streaming novelties like auto-beat-mix, etc. and missed the mark entirely when it comes to non-automated forms of DJing.

Since it never occurred to them to have instant start - it seems unlikley they would now be ready to make the quantum leap to a virtual lighting desk.
 
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Lighting control from a company that has no theatrical lighting background, products, or experience seems far fetched. What reason is there to expect DMX? Isn't that like waiting for the grocery store to add an auto-parts aisle?

The history of Ots is in radio automation - which is content management and the design hails from the broadcast arena not live or theatrical productions. That is essentially why the DJ versions of Ots are missing so many of the most basic mix functions. They've never fully understood what DJs outside of a radio station actually do. Unlike Denon, Pioneer, Rane, etc. who invested years into learning what it is club and mobile DJs want - Ots only took a cursory look at consumer and web streaming novelties like auto-beat-mix, etc. and missed the mark entirely when it comes to non-automated forms of DJing.

Since it never occurred to them to have instant start - it seems unlikley they would now be ready to make the quantum leap to a virtual lighting desk.
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While no software can be everything to everybody, I've met many mobile DJs, me included, that have found it to work very well. I have copies of a few other DJ software packages, but find myself still using OTS. It seems that not every DJ wants the same things from their software...SHOCKER!! I don't find it missing any basic mix functions. I find the mix functions to work very well. It does take a little work but the results are worth it. Also, mine starts instantly...maybe I got the only 6 copies that start instantly:)

Just because someone doesn't know how to use every function on a program, doesn't mean it can't be done. Some seek the way to do it from someone who knows more, and some feel they know everything and since they don't know it, it must be impossible:)
 
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While no software can be everything to everybody, I've met many mobile DJs, me included, that have found it to work very well. I have copies of a few other DJ software packages, but find myself still using OTS. It seems that not every DJ wants the same things from their software...SHOCKER!! I don't find it missing any basic mix functions. I find the mix functions to work very well. It does take a little work but the results are worth it. Also, mine starts instantly...maybe I got the only 6 copies that start instantly:)

Just because someone doesn't know how to use every function on a program, doesn't mean it can't be done. Some seek the way to do it from someone who knows more, and some feel they know everything and since they don't know it, it must be impossible:)
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The thing is Scott... and we've been down this road before - you can't speak to the software's ability to address talent or skills you don't posses because you're without the ability to test the software against such a skill set. You may think it clever to suggest that complaints about Ots hail from lack of knowledge about the program but, what really comes through in your posts is the limitations of your own personal DJ skills.

In fact, I'll bet dollars to donuts that you don't actually mix, or have only rudimentary mix skills at best. I doubt you even use a tactile controller. Thus, what you claim about the software's features comes from a place of relative ignorance about what is actually required, no?

If you check past threads you'll find a proliferation of similar Ots defenders who don't actually use the features they claim "work" just fine, or aren't important. Many are unaware of the programs limitations simply because the issues lie outside of their personal skill set.

The reason Ots lacks so many features and the reason they can't follow through on their upgrade promises are one and the same - systemic arrogance. Likewise, you are equally arrogant to suggest that if the software doesn't have something I shouldn't need or want it. A lack of DJ skills on your part does not justify a compromise of demands on my part.
 
Thought we were trying to keep things somewhat civil ... You're making a whole lot of assumption there.
 
Proformance said:
The thing is Scott... and we've been down this road before - you can't speak to the software's ability to address talent or skills you don't posses because you're without the ability to test the software against such a skill set.

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A lack of DJ skills on your part does not justify a compromise of demands on my part.
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Bob, if you have such Mad Skillz, why would you use OTS (and b-i-t-c-h about it), and not get a couple regular turntables...?

Got any YouTube videos, of you showing off the Mad Skillz that you speak of live...?
 
Rick, what part of the word "mobile" escapes you?

Using turntables defeats the whole purpose of using software in the first place. Why would I still drag three turntables around to create an effect that can now be easily accomplished with a sampler or loop? What point is there in moving turntables around when there are so many better control surfaces available?

BTW: In case you missed it - we also went through a CD revolution. I didn't hold on to the turntables through that one either. :)

Just how obsolete is Ots to a DJ? Tell me the ways that DJs like Scott are using Ots to do things that can't be accomplished with a free program like iTunes ..it's a very short list.
 
Bob, If Ots never had the level of capabilities you needed, why did you buy it in the first place?
 
Proformance said:
Rick, what part of the word "mobile" escapes you?
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The "bile" part usually escapes after a bender xf:D


Proformance said:
Using turntables defeats the whole purpose of using software in the first place.
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Gee, I wouldn't know that Bob -- I just write DJ software, because of the billions of dollars it makes me... :rolleyes:


Proformance said:
Just how obsolete is Ots to a DJ? Tell me the ways that DJs like Scott are using Ots to do things that can't be accomplished with a free program like iTunes ..it's a very short list.
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There are many things that can be accomplished above and beyond the freebie media players -- one would need to know how to use the software, in order to use the additional functionality though. I like to use the guitar analogy, since I was a guitar player before I was a DJ or programmer:

Take my cheap Rogue acoustic guitar, and put it in the hands of say me (who can play halfway decent) -- then hand it to Eddie Van Halen or Jimmy Page. There's gonna be a world of difference, because they've taken much more time, and used much more effort than I have, to learn to use said tool. Same guitar, but it will sound completely different in either of their hands, then it will in mine.

The same will apply to any tool, including software. If you need a sync button for example, then you probably have no clue how to mix...
 
Systematic arrogance is thinking you can tell someone's skills by their choice of software. Truly an amazing feat.

Hey sir mix a lot, I'll bet dollar to donuts that even your dog doesn't like you:)
 
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