Windows 7 Upgrade?

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The Wizard Of OZ said:
Hack? Don't they just send you an upgrade CD? If you needed to have the Beta and there is no other way to do it then I won't do it, believe me, hacking anything is way beyond my technical capabilities and not worth my time. If this is the case I'll just buy another laptop with W7 on it or that comes with a W7 upgrade included. No way I'm gonna spend $120 on my "old" laptop and then upgrade the memory and who knows what else. For that much I can just replace it and use the "old" machine as a desktop replacement for the home.
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Wiz,

What I'm saying, is buy the full retail package of Win7 -- don't use the pre-installed OEM garbage.

It's about $320 for the Ultimate version, and will serve you well :)

Or, you could buy a bogus copy from one of our friends in Australia, and the flood waters will drown ya...



You get what you pay for :)
 
That's funny. I'm gonna buy a laptop for a little more than what the Ultimate version costs. ain't no way in hell that I would give MS $320 for an OS.

When I got my Dell Vista laptop I cleaned it and deleted all of that crap that comes with a new machine. So far Vista seem so stable I could see running a Vista computer and never having to reinstall the operating system as long as you own the computer, unlike previous windows operating systems.

I used to think XP was an awesome and stable operating system. Vista is more secure and more stable than XP, by far.
 
The Wizard Of OZ said:
That's funny. I'm gonna buy a laptop for a little more than what the Ultimate version costs. ain't no way in hell that I would give MS $320 for an OS.

When I got my Dell Vista laptop I cleaned it and deleted all of that crap that comes with a new machine. So far Vista seem so stable I could see running a Vista computer and never having to reinstall the operating system as long as you own the computer, unlike previous windows operating systems.

I used to think XP was an awesome and stable operating system. Vista is more secure and more stable than XP, by far.
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What's yer time worth Wiz... ;)

The OEM's can put the OS on basically for free, and put a bunch of junk in there. You can spend an easy 20 hours cleaning it up.

What's yer time worth Wiz... :sqwink:

Even if you used minimum wage - yer still close to purchase cost (and ya don't have to do any work).

No brainer dude :)
 
My business is growing and I'm starting to perform at more places and I'm making a name for myself locally, but I still have more time than money.

Part of getting a new machine with a new OS(W7) is the learning curve. One way to poke around and figure out what's new and what's the same as before is to uninstall and delete a bunch of crap.

Then I run ccleaner and it removes all of the fragments left behind in the registry and other poop that for some reason stays around. It's a very good program.

I could see maybe spending a couple few hours, but then I would have some sort of feel for W7. I like nothing better than paying other people to do stuff for me and maybe some day I'll be in that position, I HOPE. If i had a few extra shekels laying around I'd fork over the $120 for the W7 upgrade.
 
Absolutely, I agree.

I've used ccleaner for years and I'd be surprised if they don't keep up with W7. I was basically saying what I did with XP and now with Vista and hopefully with W7 if necessary. If windows did it's housekeeping properly there would be no need for ccleaner.
 
The Wizard Of OZ said:
Absolutely, I agree.

I've used ccleaner for years and I'd be surprised if they don't keep up with W7. I was basically saying what I did with XP and now with Vista and hopefully with W7 if necessary. If windows did it's housekeeping properly there would be no need for ccleaner.
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That part is a misnomer...

Windows takes care of its own reg entries -- other programs do not always do so. So, if a program creates reg entries, and the uninstaller does not remove or change them back, Windows has no way to know if the entry is valid or not.

The registry is a very complicated database, and software developers do not always know how to use it properly, and they take great liberties when using it. There are specific rules that are supposed to be followed when dealing with the registry, and some of the biggest software developers are guilty of misusing it to their advantage...

So, put the blame where it actually deserves to be... ;) :)
 
OK, understood and duly noted. However, just like MS provides an API and many other rules and a framework for software developers, there should be rules and a framework that developers would be required to follow or MS sub routines that the program calls to run or manage the uninstall so the registry doesn't get cluttered up.

I've cleaned up other peoples' machines that were hosed and running at a snail's pace and when ccleaner and avast or avg were finished it was like a new computer again.

And yes, the registry is VERY complicated and nothing for me to mess with. Thank goodness for a program like ccleaner that makes registry housekeeping simple and does some other useful functions.
 
The Wizard Of OZ said:
OK, understood and duly noted. However, just like MS provides an API and many other rules and a framework for software developers, there should be rules and a framework that developers would be required to follow or MS sub routines that the program calls to run or manage the uninstall so the registry doesn't get cluttered up.
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There are -- lots of developers do not pay attention to them though... :sqerr:

Times have changed in the software development business. Tons of the stuff I've downloaded and played with, appear to be the product of some kid in his bedroom.

I have nothing against that kid in his bedroom -- that was a good part of my learning experience as well -- but I would never release a commercial app that some of these companies are actually charging money for...

Much of it is designed to simply sell, with no planning for maintenance, and no planning for exit strategy.

Sorta like the music biz (and wars) these days... :sqwink: :sqlaugh:
 
Ccleaner is great, I install it on any computer I have the 'pleasure' of cleaning up. I don't fuss with the registry cleaner part much only because I don't trust registry cleaners there's always a small chance they may delete something important. I 'scanned for issues' on a fresh install of Windows 7 with cCleaner and got 6 supposedly bad registery entries. All I had installed was cCleaner.

I install and uninstall enough programs that every few months I just wipe and do a fresh install. I keep all the apps and OS Service packs I actually use on a USB Stick so no need to go about downloading everything again.

Windows is doing pretty with automated backups as of late. I've never tired to restore a fresh install to a backup but I've used the Easy Transfer wizard to restore my files after a fresh install and it works well. Time Machine (automated backup) on the Mac side is dead simple even an idiot can have secure backups. I really wish Windows would do something like this.

Anywho I know we're talking about Windows here but it should be noted that Apple released Snow Leopard on August 28th, I got my copy last week and there was already a major system patch to 10.6.1.. I'm just saying all OS's ship with problems not detected during testing. I think Windows did the right thing with Windows 7 by releasing public betas and release candidates. They got a much much larger testing base. We will still see SP 1 and probably SP 2 of course but I think they'll be much further down the line than with Vista because of all the pre-release testing.

I'm kicking myself now for not getting in on the pre-release order of Win 7 for a steep discount. I'll probably buy an OEM copy for my desktop and leave my laptop at Vista or install Ubuntu. More than likely I'll get a new laptop down the road as mine's getting pretty crappy.
 
Remember the old days when M$ had two APIs? One for themselves and ones for everyone else?

The Win16 (Windows 3.1) API was doled out unfairly. M$ had shortcut APIs that were much more efficient than the ones they published. Hence, the edge on software that performed. When asked about them, they just push aside and called them undocumented APIs and not for OEMs to use.

MS Office did not get to be the best on it's own merits.
 
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