Take a car, any car. Its perfectly reliable as is driven off the lot. Could we all benefit from an external oil cooler on the transmission? Sure. Is it needed for EVERY situation? I dont think so. There is a piece of gear for every situation that it is needed.
Why Processing Can Be Beneficial To Active/Powered Speakers.
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99% of what you say is opinion; preface it that way. I know you like to think of yourself as knowing all; unless you've had first hand experience with something; all you have is an opinion, based on what you've read....
There's a gigantic difference between actually "knowing" something than reading about something and professing to have experience with that particular issue..
" I do not even have to own one, really.".... This says it all......
Yes - you state the facts.........the facts according to Canute.....
Now that we know where all of that comes from, we can take it for what it is......
There's a gigantic difference between actually "knowing" something than reading about something and professing to have experience with that particular issue..
" I do not even have to own one, really.".... This says it all......
Yes - you state the facts.........the facts according to Canute.....
Now that we know where all of that comes from, we can take it for what it is......
Agreed. My passive and powered stuff doesn't sound bad on it's own.....however....proper processing/eq/feedback elimination takes it to another level at every gig I do. Ever hear the screech of feedback at someones wedding when folks are using the mic and decide to walk close to your speakers? It's REALLY nice not to have to worry about it. That is just one example.
Each to their own. I've played much without processing. Knowing now what it can do for my sound and peace-of-mind, I won't be without it.
Best,
Paul
I havn't read every post, but I do not even have an external EQ in my rack. IMO, for pre-recorded music playback, it just isn't needed. I can 'tweek' all I need using my mixers onboard 3-band EQ and my Maximizer, which is very rare. Just depends on the song. And I hardly ever have feedback problems. I like as little 'coloring' of the music as possible. YMMV.
djsarge
Mac Daddy DJ
I never said you said you were a sound engineer, but you implied that a study of electronics makes you a expert on how sound is affected by processing. Seems to me the two don't go together.
Paul, thanks for posting what you just did. Taking things to a higher level is what it is all about and that is what I was trying to impress upon those here. I failed to remember that most of them are just mediocre and as long as sound comes out from their two speakers, they are good to go. They don't strive for excellence, just less, cheap and light. I have called several major Sound Companies and visited two today (While making purchases) and asked them the same question. Each one has the same answer, the onboard processing in a powered speaker is designed for only the speaker's components/transducers and not the room envoirnment or source signal. External processing before the Speaker's inputs will always be a plus. It can tailor the best signal possible going to the powered speaker which would then have to "work" less to bring things to a balance. I am glad that you have experienced that for yourself. I greatly appreciate your input and hope that the naysayers don't go hating on you as they do me.
and you wonder why people think you're a tool.....less, cheap and light?...from the guy who wanted to buy a $500.00 light show; $20.00 strobes....Is Guitar Center a sound company?
I had asked a simple question about a strobe and had gotten my answer. You are making a mountain out of a molehill and assuming things.
Where was this implied? How does one learn about something? You either study the subject, seek expert advise or get first hand knowledge/experience. This is what I have done.
You guys try and put false labels on me so you can get support from others to rally your cause.
Dude your making broad comments about members here regarding mediocrity what part of that isnt a slam and one acting as though you are superior??????????????????????????????????????????????? Your one who resides here. Thats all.
I call a Spade a Spade when I see it. It is by no means a slam. It is the truth. Many get by with just the bare minimum, they say so with their own posted words. So if that is not mediocre, I don't know what is.
You know if those same ones have the guts to acknowledge the facts about what a Powered Speakers really does and go on to say that they can't afford to buy an EQ etc or that they don't want to use one, then I would respect that decision. However, it is when they are trying to tell me and state that what I am saying is wrong, that is when I cannot relent. It is not something I made up, it is facts plain and simple. Why don't they contact their manufacturers and ask them for themselves "Does a Powered Speaker replace an EQ". "Does a powered speaker by itself adjust to the room acoustics."
LOL it's time for a group hug. There's a saying in recovery......for me almost 22 years without the demon cocaine that says in part: "Accept the things you cannot change".
You see in my user box "Equipment Hound" .....this describes me to a T. Many of my clients could care less about the sound as long as the crowd is having a good time, and this is OK. i get some that tell me that they've heard a lot of guys playing out and I sound better. For me, that's the next biggest high than having 100+ people on my dancefloor.
Processing or not......it's about making your crowd happy. LOL, I like to make me happy too.....thus the processing. I'm good with the guys who want a light load in and out. Many times including this weekend I'll be cursing my QSC HPR181i subs as I put em in the van.....but that's part of the sound I want to give my clients next weekend. I'm sure I'd be wishing I could get by on just a pair of Yammie club tops, but it's just not me!
I love ya all here like brothers and sisters. I have a full-time job so that makes me a hobbyist, albeit a very experienced one. Music is my drug of choice today, processed or not!
Best to all!
Paul
You see in my user box "Equipment Hound" .....this describes me to a T. Many of my clients could care less about the sound as long as the crowd is having a good time, and this is OK. i get some that tell me that they've heard a lot of guys playing out and I sound better. For me, that's the next biggest high than having 100+ people on my dancefloor.
Processing or not......it's about making your crowd happy. LOL, I like to make me happy too.....thus the processing. I'm good with the guys who want a light load in and out. Many times including this weekend I'll be cursing my QSC HPR181i subs as I put em in the van.....but that's part of the sound I want to give my clients next weekend. I'm sure I'd be wishing I could get by on just a pair of Yammie club tops, but it's just not me!
I love ya all here like brothers and sisters. I have a full-time job so that makes me a hobbyist, albeit a very experienced one. Music is my drug of choice today, processed or not!
Best to all!
Paul
....and how many powered speakers have you owned again??? So you really don't know what a powered speaker does...You use 30 year old, half homemade crap and yet you continue to lecture us on what we all do and think.
Anyone can go out and spend 30K on what might be the perfect sounding system. Is my system perfect ...No. But it more than does the job. I don't feel I need additional processing or an eq; never have gotten a complaint....That doesn't make me mediocre or cheap. In fact, it makes me a smart businessman....A smart businessman doesn't overpay for an HK setup when it's not needed.
Again you just don't get it. Noone has said you're necessarily wrong...It's this constant bullsh!t you keep spouting that we all are mediocre, cheap, lazy...just because we don't do what you think everyone should do......
Funny part is....you don't even subscribe to your own bs half the time....
Steve you are so ridiculous in your assertions! Have you ever heard of, "if it ain't broken don't fix it?" Probably not. Have you ever heard that in business you try to maximize profits, probably not because you are a hobbyist who may not care about treating what you do as a business. I have some equipment that has served me for years. Listening to you, some will think that everything in my rack is 30 years old. LOL like they were making Pioneer MEP 7000 and Crown XTis in the 70s.
I post new equipment on here from time to time just for the information. I may make a recommendation as to its application. At no time do I TELL folks that they should go out and buy it.
Your assertion about having to first own something to know how it works is BS. I don't have to own a tube preamp to know what it can do. My Electronics training has taught me that in theory so I know what to expect. Again you use words such as "Lecture" to describe me so that you can get sympathy in your quest to put me down.
The thread started out in one direction with a specific subject matter and the latter half of it is all filled up mainly by attacks initiated by you. Of course others who are in your band wagon would not see that, so I get the blame. No problem! I am a grown adult, I can take it. I don't have to go crying to the mods and ask them to close the thread. I love a healthy debate and as you can tell I am not a quitter.
Gotta be honest, you guys are way too technical for me. Here's an idea, buy the system that you like, set it up at your event, give your client a dancing good time, go home. Some like Chevys & some like Fords...geesh!
btw......Have a great Holiday weekend!!! ;-)
btw......Have a great Holiday weekend!!! ;-)
djsarge
Mac Daddy DJ
In a thread about sound processing, you make this statement:
but I have formally studied Electronics even though not entirely up to engineering level
How does that not imply you think this knowledge makes you know it all about sound?
but I have formally studied Electronics even though not entirely up to engineering level
How does that not imply you think this knowledge makes you know it all about sound?
Whining to the mod in this case will get you no love Canute....you made this bed...now you have to sleep in it...
Carry on boys.
Carry on boys.