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Scott Hanna

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My $0.02 - IOS seems to be pretty stable ... much more so than my Droid's were. Background: I was a loyal Droid user up until about a year ago.
I was too, until 2011. Happy with iOS ever since.

The reality is MOST programs, or operating systems are pretty good if you take the time to really dig in to them. Its when people don't want to take the time and just want the software to do a few things. When it doesn't become obvious to them, they move on to find something that better fits their needs... Or back to what they are most comfortable with.

I own 3copies of vdj now, but find OTS does everything I need, and I'm very comfortable with it because I've used it for so long. There is not enough pain to want to learn vdj for me

(I do like VDJ policy on back up computers much better than ots)
 

Jeff Romard

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My $0.02 - IOS seems to be pretty stable ... much more so than my Droid's were. Background: I was a loyal Droid user up until about a year ago.
I am a long time iOS user and yes it is very stable but less functional and much more proprietary than Android. I actually meant to say MacOS
 

ittigger

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I can't say I disagree and I'll up you IOS too
I am a long time iOS user and yes it is very stable but less functional and much more proprietary than Android. I actually meant to say MacOS
While every OS certainly has flaws, by default, OSX (a Unix derivative) does not provide Root access. You have to explicitly tell OSX to give you Root. Windows does not do this - most Windows users are using Admin level accounts with Root access, which is why the viruses are able to work as well as they do.

Because Apple is as controlling with their environment, you can have somewhat predicted results. You also have Apple providing a high level of support. With Windows (where anything goes), the vendors (to include MS) are constantly sending you off to someone else for support and blaming each other for performance issues. An 'open' environment is also one that provides for people to create unsecured and or / hide 'bad' code without as big of a risk of being caught.

Again, the single biggest and best thing that users could do to protect themselves in a MS world is to stop using an Admin level account as their every day account.
 
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Handinon

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While every OS certainly has flaws, by default, OSX (a Unix derivative) does not provide Root access. You have to explicitly tell OSX to give you Root. Windows does not do this - most Windows users are using Admin level accounts with Root access, which is why the viruses are able to work as well as they do.
I think that what irks me the most, is the third "Level of Access" that Windows 10 has - the "Microsoft Level of Access". Leave your Windows 10 computer off for a few weeks, and then watch what happens when you turn it on.
 
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Handinon

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Because Apple is as controlling with their environment, you can have somewhat predicted results. You also have Apple providing a high level of support. With Windows (where anything goes), the vendors (to include MS) are constantly sending you off to someone else for support and blaming each other for performance issues. An 'open' environment is also one that provides for people to hide 'bad' code without the big risk of being caught.
Maybe...but look at the high performance of a completely Open OS like Ubuntu or Linux Mint, where you can literally screw with almost anything (with perhaps the exception of the Kernel).

If Serato or Cross DJ were available for Linux - and I'm willing to PAY for that - and the idiot Linux World finally settled on only two or three derivatives - I wouldn't even be having this discussion!
 
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ittigger

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Maybe...but look at the high performance of a completely Open OS like Ubuntu or Linux Mint, where you can literally screw with almost anything (with perhaps the exception of the Kernel).

If Serato or Cross DJ were available for Linux - and I'm willing to PAY for that - and the idiot Linux World finally settled on only two or three derivatives - I wouldn't even be having this discussion!
Ubuntu and Mint are also flavors of Unix - so the same security scenarios apply. In this light, Osx is not that different, especially in God mode. Once you get to the OS, it's a whole new world.
 
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steve149

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With Windows (where anything goes), the vendors (to include MS) are constantly sending you off to someone else for support and blaming each other for performance issues.
I must be special .. I constantly get calls "directly from Microsoft" from tech guys that want access so they can "fix my system: ... :)
 

Scott Hanna

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I soooooo wanted Android products to be better than iOS when Apple products came to Verizon in 2011. Apple was such a pain to work with and the stores made $17 per phone compared to $350 for selling a cheap or even free Android phone. Samsung, LG, and others would give stores demo phones for free. Apple required each store to buy 2 phones at $750 a piece, plus a $5000 display and had to hire a company they assigned to install the display.

The stores actually made more money on the car charger and cases than the iPhone.

When I tested the phones and tablets side by side, same app and same WiFi, the results weren't even close. The Apple products blew the Android stuff away. I'm sure the Android stuff has improved, but so has iOS

I too believe Apple's "control everything" environment leads to better apps and updates. Android is open source, so LG, Samsung, and Motorola and others each add their own touches to the software. Each of these companies make expensive phones and really cheap phones that can't handle the same operating systems. So app makers have to keep up with 100's of versions on Android, or like 3 or 4 on iOS. And iOS user spend more money on apps. Which one would you concentrate on?

Plenty to dislike about Apple. But the products are hard to beat.
 

Jeff Romard

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While every OS certainly has flaws, by default, OSX (a Unix derivative) does not provide Root access. You have to explicitly tell OSX to give you Root. Windows does not do this - most Windows users are using Admin level accounts with Root access, which is why the viruses are able to work as well as they do.
I know you are far advanced from where I am but I've done my fair share of computer work and from my experience 99% of the problems on Windows machines are ID10T errors...And yes most of those problems could be stopped by not using an admin account
 

steve149

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Having gotten used to logging in as Root on Unix systems back in the 80s, I have a problem when I'm NOT logged in as admin on a Windows box . :)
 

djcrazychris

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Yes .. for actual DJ use, a dual deck (or more) setup is generally needed) .. for automatic playlist play, one isn't usually cueing.

And I drink Johnny Walker Blue personally ...
Reminds me of a joke i heard... can only remember the punchline...

"Shes out in the distillery making Johnny Walker red..."


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Big Dan

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I've seen Tig (and others) mention not using an admin account on Win many times. I tried it for a while but minor annoyances disrupted my workflow - Installing apps didn't always put shortcuts on my (non-privileged user) start menu, deleting desktop icons required UAC password because it was placed in the public folder. I got annoyed and made my account an admin again.

Doesn't UAC essentially make the machine have a sudo setup like MacOS and Debian?
 

steve149

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Reminds me of a joke i heard... can only remember the punchline...

"Shes out in the distillery making Johnny Walker red..."


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Probably made Johnny Walker Blue many a time ...
 

ittigger

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I've seen Tig (and others) mention not using an admin account on Win many times. I tried it for a while but minor annoyances disrupted my workflow - Installing apps didn't always put shortcuts on my (non-privileged user) start menu, deleting desktop icons required UAC password because it was placed in the public folder. I got annoyed and made my account an admin again.

Doesn't UAC essentially make the machine have a sudo setup like MacOS and Debian?
That's part of the problem with Windows, you should not use Admin, but most users hate having to keep doing 'Run As Administrator' - so they end up using Admin every day - and the hackers love it - because you're giving them root access to your entire machine - read that again .. Entire.

Where some of this really hits the bricks is in a commercial environment, where the users are not the admin, but the software they want to buy requires them to be an admin to run it. The vendors don't want to modify their product and the organization will not allow the users to be Admin.
 
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