So, who are the "old guys" in the forum?

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ahoustondj said:
OK I could not edit and add to my first reply to this post.

The standards can start by having all working DJs who say they operate as a business get a Business License from their City/County/State. Insurance should be mandatory. That will immediately eliminate a lot of those who have Bootleg hard Drives etc. In addition to this maybe there should be some kind of Basic course in Electronics/Electricity that one should have to take.

What DJs do in the execution of their duties can be of hazard and detriment to others. Placing speakers on poles over peoples heads. Electrical cords that can possibly be overloaded with Gear and Lighting equipment, safety practices at the Gig etc.

In the Entertainment business in Houston, strives have been made by other professionals in this direction. For instance, you have to have a license to be a Event/Wedding Planner if you are offering your services to the public. Same for a Caterer, you have to have a business license and a Current Health Certificate from the Department of Health.

These laws were created because there were so many people calling themselves Event Planners and Caterers who did not know what they were doing. This caused confusion among the unwittingly public. All it would take is enough DJs banding together and having enough signatures to petition for a Bill. The problem with that is, there are a lot of DJs who do not declare their DJ incomes so they won't care.
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Canute .. nothing you mention would be directly to the benefit of the client .. only to the DJ and that sort of smacks of protectionism .. putting things in place to make it harder for someone to compete.

There should be basic business requirements, but those are state issues and in place where they saw fit. Insurance is a tricky one .. it's mainly there to protect you as the venue would normally have insurance to protect the client. "Basic Electronics"? .. c'mon .. I bet there are some phenomenal professional DJs that don't know or don't care how to hook up a system .. others do that for them .. that should not be a licensing requirement. Plugging into a breaker box should and is.

With some of the logic, we should license busboys, as they could inadvertently drop a knife onto someone's leg. Or the server could spill that hot bowl of soup. There is always recourse for all of those things in court .. don't need another set.
 
Similarly, I never said you were wrong or right - but don't have blinders on when I'm showing you another angle.

I like you Canute - I think you're a smart guy and work hard at what you do. However, there are (and always will be) more than 1 way to skin a cat.

;)

This great nation has too many laws already and some are now infringing on your Constitutional rights. What shall you do when there are so many laws that you now have no rights?

EDIT: The only people that will have rights are those that are above the law.
 
steve149 said:
Canute .. nothing you mention would be directly to the benefit of the client .. try telling that to numerous people who have been burned by amateurs Event Planners calling themselves professionals only to the DJ and that sort of smacks of protectionism .. putting things in place to make it harder for someone to compete.

There should be basic business requirements, but those are state issues and in place where they saw fit. Insurance is a tricky one .. it's mainly there to protect you as the venue would normally have insurance to protect the client. "Basic Electronics"? .. c'mon .. I bet there are some phenomenal professional DJs that don't know or don't care how to hook up a system .. others do that for them .. that should not be a licensing requirement. Plugging into a breaker box should and is.

With some of the logic, we should license busboys, as they could inadvertently drop a knife onto someone's leg. Or the server could spill that hot bowl of soup. There is always recourse for all of those things in court .. don't need another set. Nice try but totally irrelevant. the busboy is an employee.
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Answers above in red!
 
ahoustondj said:
Answers above in red!
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One can always sue if there is negligence on someone's part .. but a bad wedding planner or bad DJ normally won't rise to that level.

I'm only saying that what you laid out for a DJ could be applied to almost anyone. Do you have a "picture framer" license? You have your business entity and sales tax license (as I do), but are you licensed to frame a print? What happens if you frame it wrong? No different to DJing.
 
steve149 said:
One can always sue if there is negligence on someone's part .. but a bad wedding planner or bad DJ normally won't rise to that level.

I'm only saying that what you laid out for a DJ could be applied to almost anyone. Do you have a "picture framer" license? You have your business entity and sales tax license (as I do), but are you licensed to frame a print? What happens if you frame it wrong? No different to DJing.
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I do not do the picture framing. I do the designs for it and my framer who is PPFA certified does the work per my specs. When he gets it to me I inspect it before delivering to my client.

BTW that was a good example. There are people who have Picture Framing Shops and are not PPFA Certified. However, Interior Designers, people like me, Architects etc.. will only seek out the PPFA Certified shops. Why, because that owner has taken the time to be knowledgeable and keep up with the trends, innovations etc.
 
ahoustondj said:
I do not do the picture framing. I do the designs for it and my framer who is PPFA certified does the work per my specs. When he gets it to me I inspect it before delivering to my client.
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So, basically you do nothing but look at the Shakira poster, and hang it on the wall...?

I want to be an "art installer" -- sounds like pretty easy work... xf:D
 
SoftJock Rick said:
So, basically you do nothing but look at the Shakira poster, and hang it on the wall...?

I want to be an "art installer" -- sounds like pretty easy work... xf:D
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That is incorrect:
I buy Art to be resold. Retail as well as wholesale.
I sell Art from my inventory. Retail as well as to the Trade.
I rarely deal with Posters.
I don't hang anything on walls, I install Artwork.

Before you start scoffing, the retail price/fee for a professional installer is $125.00 per hour/ average 4 pieces (Which can take as little as 15 minutes if you know what you are doing)
Wholesale Price is $75.00 per hour to Frame shops, designers, architects etc.

Try installing 250 pieces of Art in a Hotel/Clinic by yourself in just under 4 days.
 
ahoustondj said:
I do not do the picture framing. I do the designs for it and my framer who is PPFA certified does the work per my specs. When he gets it to me I inspect it before delivering to my client.

BTW that was a good example. There are people who have Picture Framing Shops and are not PPFA Certified. However, Interior Designers, people like me, Architects etc.. will only seek out the PPFA Certified shops. Why, because that owner has taken the time to be knowledgeable and keep up with the trends, innovations etc.
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I seriously doubt that PPFA certified means you're keeping up with trends and innovations. FWIW, 'Trends' and 'Innovations' are keywords that equate to expensive.
 
ittigger said:
I seriously doubt that PPFA certified means you're keeping up with trends and innovations. FWIW, 'Trends' and 'Innovations' are keywords that equate to expensive.
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If you were in that Industry you would know what I mean. ;)
 
ahoustondj said:
If you were in that Industry you would know what I mean. ;)
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I am sort of in the construction business (in a weird quasi kinda way) - and I am telling you that 'Trend' and 'Innovation' mean it's going to cost alot. That is a fact jack.

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"What is a Certified Picture Framer?

A PPFA Certified Picture Framer is a professional with the experience and knowledge necessary to properly handle all of your custom framing needs. A framer with the CPF® designation has been actively involved in picture framing for at least one year and has passed a comprehensive written examination covering the latest materials, techniques and design theories."

This says nothing about 'trends' and 'innovations'. What you're also describing here is something you can physically hold and may at some point actually accrue money (if it's the right picture). How this relates to the Wedding Reception is beyond me.

More about this particular person: "This achievement permits Langlois to use the professional designation, CPF®. This designation was granted after Langlois met rigorous qualifications, including successful completion of a 3 1/2 hour, 150-question, examination administered by the PPFA. Langlois has been a professional picture framer for more than ten years. PPFA initiated this CPF program in 1986 to raise the standards of the framing profession, improve education within the industry, and recognize those framers who demonstrate acceptable knowledge & skills of established professional criteria."

Read that again: Langlois has been a professional picture framer for more than ten years. The PPFA / CPF did NOT make him a professional. This is given to people who demonstrate acceptable knowledge and skills of the profession. He was already a professional. In the state of RI (thank you Google), there are 3 of these type of people. Are you going to tell me that no one (in your type of shoes) uses the other picture framers? I doubt that too. This tells me that if there are 3, they're all expensive and way out of most people's pricing scenarios. This also does not tell you how much experience this person has.

MS has several tests that are rigorous and involve theory. Passing doesn't mean that I can go build a network, and that it would actually work.
 
ittigger said:
I am sort of in the construction business (in a weird quasi kinda way) - and I am telling you that 'Trend' and 'Innovation' mean it's going to cost alot. That is a fact jack.
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Trends and innovations go hand in hand with continuing education. For instanceyou can take a prized antique family portrait/photo/artwork to a frame shop and say "I don't want to spend a lot of money". A PPFA framer will point out that to preserve the integrity of the artwork it needs to be conservation matted and use museum quality glass. If the Customer persists, the framer may decline the job because improper framing could ruin the value of the artwork.

New machines are introduced, new materials and hardware too. If one is not keeping up with things and have no way of notification their business may suffer. A professional framer knows these things because they take the time to invest in new developments.
 
ahoustondj said:
Trends and innovations go hand in hand with continuing education. For instance you can take a prized antique family portrait/photo/artwork to a frame shop and say "I don't want to spend a lot of money". A PPFA framer will point out that to preserve the integrity of the artwork it needs to be conservation matted and use museum quality glass. If the Customer persists, the framer may decline the job because improper framing could ruin the value of the artwork.

New machines are introduced, new materials and hardware too. If one is not keeping up with things and have no way of notification their business may suffer. A professional framer knows these things because they take the time to invest in new developments.
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I agree to a point - there is no direct correlation between Trends / Innovations and CE. A trend is a 'what's hot now' type thing. Example: putting plenum rated Cat6 cable in a concrete encased conduit is a trend right now. Continuing Education highly advises against this. Running that same cable through a transition point and into a cable tray is an innovation - cost too much.

Also, keeping up with new machines is not always the answer. Alot of businesses lose money to this logic - just to be 'on the edge'. If you're new 2k controller does the same as your 3 year old controller that costs 1k, what have you gained? I agree to a point - example, most businesses still using Win 95 have fallen (or will shortly) by the wayside. A bunch of businesses I know still use Win98 and are still making money (no need nor requirement to update - nor should there be).

Making this a requirement may force them out of business because of the expenses. The ones that win are companies like MS and all the other vendors that they now have to buy new products from. In this instance, you ran a working, profitable, operating business - out of business. Now you have people unemployed and collecting more of our tax dollars. Because of that (no money), they're not buying services from other vendors - and the ball continues.
 

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Oh I haven't put my 2c worth in yet but here goes....

50 years here (finally)
djing for near on 36 years, I started as a roadie first at 14 (they thought I was 18 back then)
I been driving Trucks for many years on and off (18 wheelers).
Driving Limo's from time to time.
Driving Bus's also from time to time (a party bus)..
Working in a record store (even as a manager at one store, till it closed).
Working with a forklift on and off over the years.
Working as a granolithic contractor (Dad's business before he retired) [God rest his soul]
Have done photography and video for over 18 years when I am not djing

For the last 16 years or so, I have been slowly gathering my accreditation's for computer work.....
certs 1 - 4, diploma's, advanced diploma, networking, Mcitp - MCTS - MCPD - MOS (Office Specialist) and a few more...
(but at times no matter what you get they become out of date, especially microcrap stuff)

Done a few more things over the years but I just told you the main things I love doing....

have a nice day all


oh by the way

Never married (was electrocuted 22 years ago)
cant have any kids because of the electrocution....
life sucks but thats fine with me
because I also won some substantial amount on lotto, so I am fine as I am
........
 
ahoustondj said:
I do not do the picture framing. I do the designs for it and my framer who is PPFA certified does the work per my specs. When he gets it to me I inspect it before delivering to my client.

BTW that was a good example. There are people who have Picture Framing Shops and are not PPFA Certified. However, Interior Designers, people like me, Architects etc.. will only seek out the PPFA Certified shops. Why, because that owner has taken the time to be knowledgeable and keep up with the trends, innovations etc.
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Enlighten us - what college/university did you go to to become and installer/hanger/designer - whatever you call yourself.

As far as a PPFA certified framer - Got $225 bucks and time to take an online exam - You too can be PPFA certified....
 
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