So, who are the "old guys" in the forum?
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I've always looked at it from a business perspective - even when I was too young to buy / transport my own equipment. Regardless of who's equipment it was, it was done properly and professionally. If you do the math, in my case, I was 13 - and I was taught / learned in a professional manner / environment and performed professionally. Not sure how you can say this was not, as you were not there.
I considered it Business/Professional when I started declaring it as income to the IRS and Filed a DBA. Unless one is doing both of these to me it is a Hobby.
Okay Canute thats your definition. There are many variations in definition to the word professional.
Considering you can't legally file income tax until you're legally old enough to have a job, 16 in my case, I don't know how you can consider that - but ok. I was spinning for 3 years already. No idea how old you have to be to be a DBA. In your example, this means you're a business all your own. This changes the question to "How long have you owned your business"
Who ever said that was MY definition? I never did, read again. I would like to see a 14 year old go to a Bank and get a Loan for said business or with said business as a means of income.
A Business and a Business Perspective are two different things. One is a reality the other is a wish/goal!
Canute - give it a rest man. Regardless of what you think, I've always looked at this from a business angle. Period. You can try to skin it how many ever which ways you want to but in the end, you get back to it being a business. Did you pop out of the womb knowing how to do this? I seriously doubt it - and unless you were born with a gold nugget in your mouth, then you started the same way we all did - which is using the advice you supply to others - you hang out and work for other established businesses. You're not a 'professional' just because you have your own business.
Why are you getting your feathers all ruffled? I simply stated My stance. It was not a definition. It is how I graded myself. BTW when I started DJing professionally I already had an Electronics background behind me. I knew what the heck I was doing that is why I started out with a full club system. My home system (Not the club system) that I built back in the early seventies is much more than what some of the chaps are now using.
My feathers are far from ruffled. I'm simply defending those of us that got our start in our young teens.
Who ever said that was MY definition? I never did, read again. I would like to see a 14 year old go to a Bank and get a Loan for said business or with said business as a means of income.
If it's not your definition, then can you point us to the standard definition somewhere showing this?
Believe it or not, you can be a young professional.
My stance. It was not a definition.
Your stance is YOUR definition.....
But then again, you make the rules up as you go along....By the way what is the the actual business name of your business.... Can you provide proof that you are a legit business?
Your stance is YOUR definition.....
But then again, you make the rules up as you go along....By the way what is the the actual business name of your business.... Can you provide proof that you are a legit business?
You asked so I replied above in Red. I just take issue with anyone that claims they were Professional the day they started. Picking up a pair of pliers when I was twelve and changing a washer in a faucet does not make me a Plumber at that age, even if I become one twenty years later.
Totally get your point Canute - however, I've been in the music world since 4th grade. Am I claiming to be a professional since then? No. I am claiming to have thought at some point about my future and where I want it to go - and that since the age of 13, I have been spinning in a professional capacity.
Your claim is a little more distinct in that you're saying that you're not a professional unless you have your own business / entity. I know quite a few professionals that work for other companies - they do not have (and / or do not want) their own business. Do you have any idea how crazy it would be if everyone was their own DBA, LLC or Inc?
Correction to your last statement, you can be a young professional.
Using your own example, if you were performing plumbing work / repairs / etc (under an established business) on a clients house by yourself at 12, and getting paid for it, then you would be a professional.
I also know many young farmers that work the farm and are professional around Jr. High - are they also excluded because they're not a DBA, LLC or Inc?
Your claim is a little more distinct in that you're saying that you're not a professional unless you have your own business / entity. I know quite a few professionals that work for other companies - they do not have (and / or do not want) their own business. Do you have any idea how crazy it would be if everyone was their own DBA, LLC or Inc?
Correction to your last statement, you can be a young professional.
Using your own example, if you were performing plumbing work / repairs / etc (under an established business) on a clients house by yourself at 12, and getting paid for it, then you would be a professional.
I also know many young farmers that work the farm and are professional around Jr. High - are they also excluded because they're not a DBA, LLC or Inc?
We're not? Professionals can't work for others? Do you lose your professional status when you work for someone else?
A young trained Dr cannot be a professional? A young trained DJ cannot be a professional?
Canute - put some common sense here. I'm sure there are companies where the dad owns the biz and the son works in the biz and is too young to get a license. Does he work for the company - absolutely. Is he professional, absolutely. Is he licensed - because of legal requirements, no. Again, we get back to your legal requirements of a professional. There's a whole lot more to being a professional that what the IRS, License or Certification is. There are tons of MCSA / MCSE certified people - are they ALL professional - absolutely NOT (in knowledge, skill or personality)!
You presented a scenario of being 12 and working on plumbing. In simple terms (as relates to our world), in your own home - no. On someone elses house, representing a business and getting paid for it, yes. You're the one who threw out the license requirement.
Airplane Pilots can be young. Are they not professional too?
A young trained Dr cannot be a professional? A young trained DJ cannot be a professional?
Canute - put some common sense here. I'm sure there are companies where the dad owns the biz and the son works in the biz and is too young to get a license. Does he work for the company - absolutely. Is he professional, absolutely. Is he licensed - because of legal requirements, no. Again, we get back to your legal requirements of a professional. There's a whole lot more to being a professional that what the IRS, License or Certification is. There are tons of MCSA / MCSE certified people - are they ALL professional - absolutely NOT (in knowledge, skill or personality)!
You presented a scenario of being 12 and working on plumbing. In simple terms (as relates to our world), in your own home - no. On someone elses house, representing a business and getting paid for it, yes. You're the one who threw out the license requirement.
Airplane Pilots can be young. Are they not professional too?
You are misrepresenting my wording Mike. Anyways, you all can call yourselves whatever you want from the time you were born, for all I care. I am finished with this Charade! I agree to disagree. Over and out!
I'm not misrepresenting anything. I'm talking about a professional in the true capacity. You're talking about a professional by legal requirements (license, IRS, loans, etc).
Both ARE valid answers and you should see it from both sides.
Both ARE valid answers and you should see it from both sides.