Rebuilding My Music Library

ittigger

Hundred Acre Industry Icon
Feb 1, 2011
12,520
Western Maryland
No they followed up by saying hardware. Just have to have the processing power and ram.

Point is, it’s not a current issue.
Actually .. it is. You have 2 people with this problem here (and more in other places) - and it's not a hardware issue. I'm running i7's loaded with memory. The next faster machine hasn't been invented yet. Another thing experienced tech's know - the vendors all love to point the finger at someone else. It's the easiest thing to do. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault. MS does it, 3rd party vendors do it, ISP's do it. This is common. You have to keep going back to them until they understand it is their problem.

If I can run a 100,000 song library without issue - but it won't open a larger library while the OS has no issues, then its obviously not the machine or the OS. It's what Serato is asking of the machine - and this is what makes it their problem. I don't know your IT skill level so you may not understand this - but what I'm describing is accurate.

This is like your Internet is out - and the cable company is telling you that the problem is your cable modem - and you know it's not. Saying they have no library limit is not them saying there are no problems with large libraries. It is known and well documented that Serato has a historical issue with large libraries.
 
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jaswrx

Well-Known DJ
Feb 15, 2015
195
32
not two people, we already discovered he is having issues b/c of lack of performance.

They are not saying it's anybody's fault. They are simply stating there is no file limit which is what we were arguing. I am just the messenger, don't hate on me.

Since I have a discussion going with them, what would you like me to ask them? I will litereally copy and paste it.

I do have a question for you though-- when you say the larger libray won't open. Can you explain... Screen shot or video please so I can get a better idea of what you mean. Is Serato crashing on you when you open the app?
 
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azdeejay

DJ Extraordinaire
Apr 1, 2015
2,557
38
Phoenix AZ
Do you have a 'jump space' that you update the full and the 'mobile' libraries from? Currently my 'main' library is everything. My mobile is the 'main' with all the explicit stuff removed.
My "Jump" space would be the .........let me double check where the pool downloads too............is the Download folder. I suppose I could change that to the music folder.

I try and keep the storage simple, as in, its called the music folder( ok, the music is in a sub floder within the main Music folder), everything goes into there, I then inside iTunes make up all the different genres I want, and use that to make playlists I need . I dont feel I need to break down the actual storage into different sub folders and or genres.

I use the main Music folder as temp holding, or staging if you will for new music, it sits there till I am good ready to add it to the current non existence iTunes libray, then before I move the new songs into the iTunes library they get backed up.
 
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Proformance

DJ Extraordinaire
Nov 6, 2006
3,252
ittigger said:
- and it's not a hardware issue. I'm running i7's loaded with memory. The next faster machine hasn't been invented yet. Another thing experienced tech's know -
Having a "Core i7" means nothing with respect to the latest technology... i've had an i7 for about 8 years. I have a 2nd later i7 that runs even better because, there are different types of i7 processors. It's a class of processor and not a rest stop on the technology highway.

You also can't separate Serato from the OS anymore than you can ignore your heart and lungs if a slow down cripples your morning jog. As I said before you are using a playback platform as an archive which is more than it was designed to be, more strain on a machine that may not be as powerful as you want to believe.

Perhaps we can get an experienced tech to chime in and help you... :humble:
 

ittigger

Hundred Acre Industry Icon
Feb 1, 2011
12,520
Western Maryland
Bob, you're not an IT person. You show time and time again your level of expertise. As a knowledgeable, certified and experienced IT lifeguard, please stay in the shallow end of the pool.
 
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DJ Bobcat

DJ Extraordinerror
Nov 8, 2014
10,528
Oklahoma City
I was going to stay out of the Karaoke file debate... I’m sure to regret jumping in. But as I demonstrated many posts back, zipped Karaoke files will do NOTHING for performance and they save very little space. MP3 files are already compressed, so you’re only compressing the CDG file, and even that is not getting compressed enough to make much of a difference in storage size. The purpose of zipping Karaoke Files was for organization and distribution... keeping the matched pair together. They still have to be UNZIPPED to play them. Some dedicated Karaoke players play the zipped files, but they are essentially unzipping them to temporary files, playing them, and then deleting the temp files. This process only makes the performance WORSE, not better than playing already unzipped files. Serato and several other software applications do NOT support zipped Karaoke files. The reason is, all zip algorithms are not the same, and there is no standard. Other applications support only the WinZip algorithm. If your files were zipped with a different algorithm, your files may or may not play correctly. If there is an issue with having too many files... I have never experienced it. I have no issue with my 120K file library from a performance standpoint, and I’m not running on anything close to an i7 CPU. Granted, I’m not playing Karaoke files.
 
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Proformance

DJ Extraordinaire
Nov 6, 2006
3,252
Bob, you're not an IT person.
I know! That's what makes your 5.25" floppy way of approaching things so damn curios. :)

... zipped Karaoke files will do NOTHING for performance and they save very little space. Granted, I’m not playing Karaoke files.
Well, most dedicated karaoke software is designed to play zipped files, and my karaoke drives are smaller as a result - so, I'm going to pass on your insights.

The good news is I did and experiment on your behalf. I determined it takes at least 45 seconds to resolve the contents of an MP3 album folder on a drive already connected to my computer. Assuming you know exactly what to cut with no emotional hemming or hawing, and do no tag editing whatsoever, - it will take you just 2 weeks working 8 hours a day, 7 days a week to weed through that 120,000 track colossus.

If you plan to edit the tags, well... assuming you have at least 12 tracks per album or folder...and again working 8 hours a day, 7 days a week - you should be done in just over three and a half months. :)
 
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DJ Bobcat

DJ Extraordinerror
Nov 8, 2014
10,528
Oklahoma City
Well, most dedicated karaoke software is designed to play zipped files, and my karaoke drives are smaller as a result - so, I;m gonna have to pass on your insights...
I’d expect nothing else. However, I didn’t say “dedicated” Karaoke players could work with zipped files... I think most do... What I explained is how they do it, and why it takes more time and computer resources to do it.

ZIPPED Karaoke files don’t save enough space IMO to offset the performance impact.

As for your calculations on the time it would take me to rebuild my library, you’re probably WRONG on that too. Mostly because I’m not doing it in the manner you describe.
 
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steve149

Veni, Vidi, Lusi
Sep 26, 2011
31,587
Prospect, CT
I'm more of an 8" floppy guy ...
 
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Proformance

DJ Extraordinaire
Nov 6, 2006
3,252
It's only 5.25 to people that have no idea what they're talking about are experts. This also illustrates your comprehension level.
Your need to invalidate people when your wisdom is rejected illustrates a lack of maturity. It reminds me of that anmiated gif where a stck figure pounds away at a keyboard until bleeding to death.

The points you've argued have not been proved correct, and you are accusing even the manufacturers and coders of lying. At best your evidence is coincident without consistency. If you really have the definitive answer you wouldn't be indignant about your advice not being followed.

There is archive software to manage 100's of thousands of music files - a DJ player is unlikley to be the best choice. Perhaps you've not yet hit the lmit of Serato - I just don't think your ego has the capacity to honestly investigate that. It's possible that Serato does not want to talk about the boundaries between their index and the variety of OS and hadware currently in use. They don't have too. The program works for the signifacant majority of users who are not behaving like DJs rather than anthropolgists.

Your expectations are at the onset unrealistic. DJ player software is not designed to manage unreasonable archives of data. If you have in fact, exceeded the capacity of a bargain price software and simultaneously the reasonable practices of professional DJs - then I don't think any blame for that owes to Serato, MS or Apple.
 
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steve149

Veni, Vidi, Lusi
Sep 26, 2011
31,587
Prospect, CT
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ittigger

Hundred Acre Industry Icon
Feb 1, 2011
12,520
Western Maryland
Your need to invalidate people when your wisdom is rejected illustrates a lack of maturity. It reminds me of that anmiated gif where a stck figure pounds away at a keyboard until bleeding to death.

The points you've argued have not been proved correct, and you are accusing even the manufacturers and coders of lying. At best your evidence is coincident without consistency. If you really have the definitive answer you wouldn't be indignant about your advice not being followed.

There is archive software to manage 100's of thousands of music files - a DJ player is unlikley to be the best choice. Perhaps you've not yet hit the lmit of Serato - I just don't think your ego has the capacity to honestly investigate that. It's possible that Serato does not want to talk about the boundaries between their index and the variety of OS and hadware currently in use. They don't have too. The program works for the signifacant majority of users who are not behaving like DJs rather than anthropolgists.

Your expectations are at the onset unrealistic. DJ player software is not designed to manage unreasonable archives of data. If you have in fact, exceeded the capacity of a bargain price software and simultaneously the reasonable practices of professional DJs - then I don't think any blame for that owes to Serato, MS or Apple.
Awww, Bob's wrong again - he's attempting to throw rocks and degrade a conversation - this is extremely common with you when you know you're wrong.

Your need to invalidate people when your wisdom is rejected illustrates a lack of maturity.
If there was even one ounce of truth to this, then it says ALOT about your lack of and how low your maturity is. You seem to have a constant need to invalidate and put people down here.

You have demonstrated your expertise on many levels in this thread. Bobs opinions of things matter to Bob and Bob alone. Bob's opinions don't matter or mean anything to anyone else. They are not indicators of anything with anyone else.

As for my advice being or not being followed, the majority of people misuse their machines, that's why there are as many techs as there are. Many tech's advise users to backup their data and their systems. Guess what users are notorious for not doing. Go ahead, guess.

My points have all proven correct. You have proven nothing. Accusing mfr's and coders of lying? Seriously, please enroll yourself in comprehension classes. What I DID say was that the resulting information was most likely from a level 1 tech - that does not have the proper information. This happens with Level 1 tech's in ALOT of businesses. They simply don't know. You're failure to know that is yet more evidence of your levels of expertise. Did you obtain the limited knowledge that currently have in one day .. or did the you learn it over the course of time? In a fantasy world, you might be correct to think that everyone has the right answers instantly - but this isn't Bobby's World. Sorry you had to discover it this way.

While Serato may work for the majority of users (of which you seem to be implying don't have alot of music - you have no knowledge or evidence of such), if there are issues with large libraries, I'm sure they want to know and they want to solve it. Your assumption that they don't is no more than that, it's an assumption - and you're most likely wrong. The downloading of one record pool will easily bring you to 250,000+ songs. I would like to think a professional (of which you claim to be but we know that you are not) would know this - but as expected, you do not have this information. You are not welcome to hold judgement against others for using a library in the manner they want to use it. You are welcome to your opinion, but that's about it - and as you've historically seen, it doesn't matter to anyone here.

You obviously have no idea what archive management is. Because you need the help, I'll give you a hint, it's not up to you to define what a persons 'archive' is. While yours is obviously anything over 5,000, there are plenty of others running much, much larger active libraries. Big deal, you have 5,000 songs. No one cares. They care even less when someone asks you for a song and you don't have it and can't play it. By stating things like this, you're also displaying your problem solving skills - and it appears that you still don't have any.
 
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dbstudios

DJ I think
Aug 2, 2018
128
38
Walker Michigan
This happens with Level 1 tech's
Tech Support: I need you to turn it off, and back on again.
Owner: It still won't turn on.
Tech Support: Is it plugged in?
Owner: Yes, that's the first thing I checked
Tech Support: We can't fix it, you are using a third party outlet. We can install a registered outlet for $1,399.99, the 23th of the month in one year.

I have known a few people in tech support, number 1 rule, never admit your equipment/software is at fault, blame someone else.
 

Jeff Romard

Moderator
Staff member
Sep 4, 2006
11,826
48
Sydney, Nova Scotia
Y'all need to dump Serato and use an older version of MixMeister...I run it on an an 11 year old computer with a mixed up library and never have an issue :)
 

steve149

Veni, Vidi, Lusi
Sep 26, 2011
31,587
Prospect, CT
Y'all need to dump Serato and use an older version of MixMeister...I run it on an an 11 year old computer with a mixed up library and never have an issue :)
I think the new version has been named MixMeisterMachoMan ..
 

Proformance

DJ Extraordinaire
Nov 6, 2006
3,252
Tech Support: I need you to turn it off, and back on again.
Owner: It still won't turn on.
Tech Support: Is it plugged in?
Owner: Yes, that's the first thing I checked
Tech Support: We can't fix it, you are using a third party outlet. We can install a registered outlet for $1,399.99, the 23th of the month in one year.

I have known a few people in tech support, number 1 rule, never admit your equipment/software is at fault, blame someone else.
You'd be surprised how often that script resolves the issue at question #2.

I answered the phone one night at a large multi-op supporting one of their DJs in the field:

DJ: I can't get the system to power up.
Me: Is everything plugged into the power strip in the rear of the rack?
DJ: Yes, I've got everything plugged into the strip.
Me: ...and you plugged the power strip into a wall outlet?
DJ: I can't. It's plugged into itself.

I realize people who are nervous often overlook the obvious but, juss because you CAN call for help, doesn't mean you should immediately want to.