Overcoming an issue of credibility...

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Hey Folks,

In a post offered by Josh Lafave (Hello, and new DJ in need of Top 3 Advice Tips - Our DJ Talk - DJ Help and Resources Chat!), Josh asks for the top 3 tips for getting biz for a new Deej. [By the way, Josh, I'm in the same boat.] Dogman responded w/ a suggestion to hit up the event venues in the area and initiate a relationship w/ them.

My question has less to do w/ Josh's question and Dogman's response. But it is relevant. I am wondering what kind of reaction a venue manager or a wedding consultant will give me when I answer their first question, "How much experience do you have?" I will have to answer, "Um...well...this is my innaugural year...but...."

I started in April of this year and have had about 15 gigs so far. I have also assisted as an unpaid apprentice at several weddings. So I'm not totally inexperienced. But it will reflect on the manager and on the wedding consultant if they recommend me to a bride or to a corporate rep. So I am assuming when I say I have limited experience, they will find a nice way to dismiss me as a viable option for them.

Your responses, please?

Thanks,

--Will
 
the only way I know is to get some work from other companies to get some experience under your belt.
 
the only way I know is to get some work from other companies to get some experience under your belt.

Would it work to present myself to wedding planners and tell them I will do the lower-end weddings until I build some experience, etc? Or do they not really get lower-end clients. My guess is that wedding planners are only hired by those brides w/ a little more money who can pay for a seasoned DJ. Right?

--Will
 
Well I think it comes down to how you answer the question from a positive or negative emphasis, of your experience.

You can look @ 15 gigs as negative relative to 100.....however it is very positive relative to 3? Agreed? The glass is "half full or half empty"...in a nutshell.

A response like "I served my apprenticeship for 3 years and learned an awful lot, that was definitely the way to go for me; and have been on my own now for "X" years and loving it, I really enjoy what I do.

You have not lied, you "Emphasize the Positive De-Emphasize the Negative" that last part of your suggested statement shows enthusiasm for what you do.....that always goes a long way with any buyer of your services..........
 
The question...

"How much experience do you have" has never come up from a venue... but brides will sometimes ask.

If you talk about some of your positive experiences, the venue manager will assume you know what you're doing without asking. You demeanor will dictate if you get a second look or even get hired.

When you are interviewing with the hiring authority, act professional and that will carry you farther, than how long you've been doing this.

I have rehearsed a "script" that highlights my strengths. Work on what you intend to say (and get across) and stick to the script.
 
A good web presence will help too... people shop more and more online. I started with a basic website... had problems with my company name being negatively associated with (achem) porn... so changed it from Jokers Entertainment to Total Impact DJs got a url to match with a .com and also invested in using DJIntelligence along with DJWebmin... plus updated my website to be more appealing to brides and incorporated availability checkers, planners etc...

I've gone from 2 gigs in 2006 to 7 in 2007, I might have had more if I had made the company name and web changes sooner... but hindsight is 20/20. with word of mouth and my web presents I'm seeing a potential rise for 2008 maybe even a dramatic one if things go well.

Another thing that can help with web presence is recipricol links... some DJ centric sites with do recipricol links like wedj.com and since most of these guys have a very good web placement and ranking it helps to improve your ranking and get your site view'd sooner in the search engines... it takes time... and you will really want to look at your url closely... too short nobody knows what it is too long and your ranking goes down and it's hard for people to remember...

Once the gigs start coming give your best to each and even give them more than they have bargend (sp?) for... for example I did a reception where the ceremony was held at the same location... I noted that they were going to play the ceremony music from someones boombox... so I offered since I was already setup to play the music for them... it was no sweat off my back I was already there and had nothing to do for the hour long ceremony...

Another example I just did an Engagement party and brought my lights with me... didn't have to but it really did make for a very nice evening of dancing.

All of this adds up, your relationships with venues and consultants, web presents and of course, and probably most important your performance.
 
Bravo, to you guys for taking the time to help a new member out!

That's what ODJT is all about! :)
 
RustyKat : Just think of the numbers of DJs who use the approach of facility contact to grow their business. Then think of the mindset of these facility managers and sales people who are in a dog fight to keep their own businesses alive, the numbers of customers they are already dealing with PLUS developing new ones, and then to have another DJ pop on their doorsteps (along with a hundred photographers, videographers, florists, bakers, et al) also looking for the referrals.

Don't be too disappointed if they don't give you the time of day let alone an interview.

But, a smart tactical mind might just find a way to offer them a solution to one of their problems if you were "on their team". It requires homework in getting to know the achilles heel of their service or building, then focus on how they WILL benefit from you.

Two examples.

Are you insured? Send them your blanket liability coverage policy and the recommendation they should require this insurance from every vendor they deal with, thus their policy rates will decrease. You saved them money already. Use this as your door opener.

Do they have a huge cave of a building where no pro-audio system sounds any good? If you have the BOSE, arrange for an audition to show them that problem is erased, fixed, eliminated forever, and only by you. Use this as your door opener.

Just a different look at the norm.

(Note to OurDJTalk DJs in this area. I've already done this. You're too late!! :sqwink: )
 
I would suggest a few things that have helped me.

Network, join a local bridal association, bring business cards, dress professionally, and mingle. This puts you in a environment with catering and venue managers, of course, the other vendors, you never know where a referral will come from.

Put together a promotional information package, containing reference letters, information about your company, professional organizations that you belong to and a personal letter inside from you to the catering or banquet manager.

If you don't have any reference letters call people that you have worked for and ask if they would mind writing you one. Your promotional package should also look very professional have a "wow" factor.

Hope it helps.
 
The following has been my approach to getting into the biz:
I've targeted the school dances, these are usually held as fundraisers, therefore my current low rates help tremendously in booking these gigs. My age, 21, helps me be slightly more in touch with this age group. The teens really don't want to hear you on the mic, they just want the hottest tunes. In my opinion the school gigs are the best way to start out, as far as skills goes there's the least required, just be as friendly as possible to everyone at the event (students and faculty).

Once I get a few more months of school experience I plan to target the wedding industry, where I can command slightly higher rates. I'll have some DJ experience, my equipment is ample for school gigs which in turn translates to more than enough for a wedding. I also have a previous contact with a wedding planner at a venue in my area (I worked on the grounds crew and would often work up to 12 hours when I was going in for only 6 in order to help fill in gaps and extinguish the unexpected), so I'm crossing my fingers that I'll have an advantage there.

This is at least my dream world of how it works, how things actually pan out will remain to be seen.
 
Lots of Very helpful ideas here, folks. Thanks for all your input. I am in the midst of creating my wedding image. I have a website, but am just now putting together wedding pages for the site. I am creating forms for wedding clients, and after that will be putting together marketing packets. In the mean time, I'm gaining experience week by week and month by month and knowledge by the day. Soon I will have a year under my belt and by that time, will have my wedding thing pretty much in gear. I suppose by that time my issue of credibility won't be as pronounced as it might be now w/ less than a year of experience.

Thanks for all your suggestions! This place gets gooder and gooder all the time!

--Will :sqlaugh:
 
Not trying to promote one service or the other but as far as your forms are concerend you may want to look into DJ Intelligence for that... they offer great ways of incorporating them into your site for your clients to use at their convienence...

I've coupled that with DJ Webmin to help in the Administrative portion of the business as well as a way to book new clients that call. It's a great way to build a data base and to maintain your customers profiles.
 
Brother Will,

A first impression is a lasting impression. Make a good first impression and you're in. No one's gonna care about your experience in years. :)

Be friendly and accommodating. Be flexible and always smile. The DJ may not be the center of attention at all shows but people love to take pictures and videos. You may wager that the camera never blinks. Keep this in mind.

When you have a show booked at a venue, call and make an appointment to visit and chat for a few with the sales manager. This is a business meeting so dress accordingly. Be prepared to keep it concise ~ they are busy. Ask pertinent questions about the venue's house rules and take notes. Thank the manager for her or his time. Thank the desk clerk as well.

Then walk through the hotel concourse. Locate the room your client has been assigned and consider your load-in requirements. Look for the closest outside door and remember to park there when you arrive for the show. This is important as it can save load time. Don't load in through the main entrance if you can avoid it. :)
 
Brother Will,

When you have a show booked at a venue, call and make an appointment to visit and chat for a few with the sales manager. This is a business meeting so dress accordingly. Be prepared to keep it concise ~ they are busy. Ask pertinent questions about the venue's house rules and take notes. Thank the manager for her or his time. Thank the desk clerk as well.

Hey! I just booked a corporate holiday party for Nov. 30th so I'll make sure I do this. Thanks for the input, Fred! :sqbiggrin:
 
I consistantly make this suggestion to ALL event DJs, and especially the newer ones:

Go get a once weekly show at a bar.


1) You get paid less, but you are being PAID to advertise yourself and get exposure. Make sure you give out plenty of cards, and that these cards note that you are available for private events.


2) Though not neccesarily polishing "wedding" DJ, it will certainly help polish your technical skills, people skills, mic work, and all other DJ skills, as well as build confidence. DO IT!
 
Fake credibility would be no credibility, so simply start with an honest presentation of your present ability and past successes.

If you have 15 shows under your belt then pick out the references that most closley resemble the job you want to book and present those.

For example, you have to admit to both yourself and the prospect that a sweet 16 is not relevant to a wedding, and a retirement party is not relevant to a prom. Then you have to be ready to support the idea that you are capable enough to take on new challenges, and deomstrate why you other experience might add some unique benefit.

Use your other experience where it might add advantage:
Stress for example, that a DJ who only does school dances might not be a good choice for a wedding. But, a wedding DJ who also does many school dances will be more "hip" than the DJ who only does weddings, and a good choice for younger couples.

If you demonstrate a mature and honest understanding of your own limitations then people will feel more confident helping you expand those boundaries.

You also have to have a price that is comensurate with the risk and benefit of hiring you. If you are too low - you will undermine your credibility. But if you match or exceed the rate of reputable seasoned pros then you remove the incentive that would move a client to assume the risk of hiring you.
 
Joe is right about weekly bar gigs. Regular gigs will keep you current on the music the average Jane and Joe like right there at home.

The way I used to do it... I'd save all the request pages and compile 'em to make up my playlists. Requests from bar patrons and dance party guests can be a godsend when you're working a party for a group of people you don't know. :)