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It's true, that no venue is going to let someone showing up 2 hours before an event do something that they have not already reviewed, approved, or regularly accommodate.
I think the operative words there are "regularly accommodate." Few people want to do extra work and a venue manager may not even know who to contact in their organization to approve such a change in regular operations. Life is easy for them if everything is the same as always and requires no special handling. They just want people in and out quickly. Anything that slows how fast they can turn the room around is likely to get denied. They struggle for staffing as it is, let alone get extra staffing to be present for an extended load-in and load-out.

Another factor to be wary of is that DJs are usually hired after the venue is booked. Now imagine you're a DJ and you convince the couple that you offer a superior lighting experience but they'll have to renegotiate their contract with the venue to allow you to set it up. You can't control what the venue will say or how much they'll charge. They can refuse the request or charge an outrageous uplift and either could cost you the gig. Ideally, you would be part of that conversation between the client and the venue but as far as the venue is concerned, you are an outside 3rd party and they may even refuse the meeting. They have nothing to lose. The client is already locked into a contract. As the DJ, why would you risk your sale by introducing a 3rd party to it?

Not all DJs are the same though. Taso is a performance DJ and is hired to be a center of attention. Lighting centered around him enhances his show. Other DJs are there mostly for ambiance. It is like the difference between a dance band vs a cocktail lounge pianist. The dance band looks better with flashing lights, the pianist, not so much. There is probably reason, cocktail pianists are never seen with trusses of lighting.
 
It's true, that no venue is going to let someone showing up 2 hours before an event do something that they have not already reviewed, approved, or regularly accommodate.

It's false, that the only way to rig something is by making alteration or damaging attachments to a property.

In either case - it remains a list of excuses. Doesn't mean anyone has to go the extra mile - but neither does it invalidate those who do.
Let me say this. A venue can easily have many different kinds of DJs performing at the venue. Some maybe beginners. Others just plain not good and others that are very professional in every way.

Now it depends on how often a DJ does events at a particular venue and shows what they do. When a DJ that has been at a venue more than once and shows true professionalism the venue is likely willing to accommodate and allow said DJ to do certain things that they won't allow another DJ to do.

When it's a DJ they have never seen doing an event, they should be cautious. What it comes down to is if the DJ can prove that they are truly a professional at doing an event and won't make a disaster of the event or cause an issue for the venue to have to deal with. If it's before, during or after the event is over.
 
There's was a time early on when even bringing lighting to an event was described as "not your normal DJ."
By the mid 1990's many DJ outfits looked more like carnival providers, and yet - that's now considere

Let me say this. A venue can easily have many different kinds of DJs performing at the venue. Some maybe beginners. Others just plain not good and others that are very professional in every way.

Now it depends on how often a DJ does events at a particular venue and shows what they do. When a DJ that has been at a venue more than once and shows true professionalism the venue is likely willing to accommodate and allow said DJ to do certain things that they won't allow another DJ to do.

When it's a DJ they have never seen doing an event, they should be cautious. What it comes down to is if the DJ can prove that they are truly a professional at doing an event and won't make a disaster of the event or cause an issue for the venue to have to deal with. If it's before, during or after the event is over.
You realize the best ways to assure them are to provide them with your insurance policy and communicate with them a few times prior to the event,
You are always good a repeating the ideas you have seen posted on here but never practice those ideas, leading to much of the drama you post about
 
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There are more effective ways to show your professionalism than hoping you play at an event enough times that you are noticed for not being bad. Taking an active part in the local business community is a good way to be taken seriously. Organizations such as the local chamber of commerce or charities like Rotary International attract business owners. Donating your time and energy to organizations that are dedicated to advancing the community sets you apart from the typical DJ.

My wife is on the board of the local Rotary and ropes me into volunteering all the time. The chapter president owns about 80 wedding venues. He knows I DJed professionally once (I don't anymore) and now he regularly lets people know I'm a DJ. The thing is, he has never actually seen me DJ. All he knows about me is that I jump in to help without being asked. This is a trait he values quite a bit. I have fixed AV problems (with his gear) at several events and bailed him out of PowerPoint issues a few times. I even once let him borrow a cocktail table from my home for an event at one of his venues. I am the type of person he wants to refer. I have told him several times that I no longer DJ professionally but he still sings my praises.
 
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Being SEEN doing something, and then having other people inquire with your customers or the venues about WHO did that - is how you arrive at a SOLUTIONS based business level.

This is really where you want to be when you grow old as a DJ because like anything in entertainment we easily age out of our stage appeal. We should continuously be working toward being the producer rather than the 'talent' if we want to remain in the event business well beyond our prime years.

I no longer have any advertising - none what-so-ever, save for some business cards which I rarely use. I'm still as busy as ever, but far more diversified with respect to what I do.

Many times I install things when a venue is closed, or overnight when there is no one else in the building or on the premises. Other times I will do it in the early morning when nothing else is going on, and return later before the event starts. There's another benefit too - I can try or audition new approaches and new ideas in the actual event spaces without anyone ever seeing the trial or how I achieved a given result. That makes it much harder for would be competitors to reverse engineer what I do (something DJs are notorious for doing.)

No, I'm not going to be taking this larger approach at smaller venues that want to turn over the room for back-to-back events at noon and seven pm. (Although to some extent that too is possible.) I require a degree of exclusivity, and the sites I work at most are exclusive - meaning my clients either own them, or have control for extended periods of time.

As DJs we can easily get trapped into a limited mind set. If we let the venues define our service - we may simply become the thing that these wedding mills want us to be - and never realize the shortcoming. Instead of our best talent we are a quick delivery service that is placed and removed with no more fan fare than the table linens. We never truly focus on what the highest and best development of our skills might be. For many, DJing is a way IN to the industry, but many never actually find a way through to something more personal or permanent.

A value add is that nothing I am doing to stage an event interferes with a venues business. I get in when it causes no distraction for the venue or others, and I get out before any of it could get in the way of what comes next. There's no crowding or mad rush when other vendors and their own staff are trying to setup the room. Instead, I'm available and fully attentive to supporting other peoples roles and needs rather than rushing around in the mad dash. There's also something to be said for being the professional who's always as cool as a cucumber at a time when everyone else is a nervous wreck. I get to be problem solver and miracle worker who's already thought of everything; chiefly because I've simply provided myself the time to do exactly that - consider and prepare for anything that might come next.

I also work locally almost exclusively now, which allows me to deal with multiple events even on the same date. It also means that everyone I do encounter already knows who I am, and most of them know what I do, and continue to challenge me with newer and better ideas. The goal of my present customers isn't to mimic what they've seen online - it's more often to present something their guests haven't seen before. This is especially true since many of the customers I have do multiple events each year, every year, or bi-annually, etc. or require support services for many different events and presentations all year long. I also have DJs who are customers. These are people whose own recurring client's have event needs that are outgrowing the DJs knowledge and capacity to deliver. Bringing me onboard helps them to keep the client despite the growing complexity of the events.

I had a conversation recently with and older DJ (my age) from another state whom I hadn't met before. He's been doing this full time for a very long time. He was telling me about how the younger DJs will talk trash about him to prospects calling around, despite knowing full well what they are saying is garbage. These younger guys don't seem to know that his longevity means he's probably already got a better rapport with potential clients, and this behavior back fires. The clients tell him who's talking trash and hire him anyway. He's essentially the more trustworthy prospect in his area. But what I did notice is a lack of evolution. As a DJ he's essentially holding the same job position that he did in the 1980's. Approaching it much the same way, albeit keeping with the new technology. This is why on this site, I don't think Mixx deserves all the trash talk people throw his way. Mixx too, at worse is just another case of choosing to stay in a particular role perhaps long after we should have evolved or grown beyond it. At best, perhaps long after it's modern demands have outpaced our own knowledge or abilities.

I believe that DJs who really want to be in the events/production business will evolve. Those who just want to DJ will simply stay in place until their role eventually diminishes to an extent that the event train more often leaves the station without them. I may not be done with DJing, but I'm certainly no longer making that skill my sales lead,
 
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Few people want to do extra work and a venue manager may not even know who to contact in their organization to approve such a change in regular operations.
That's my job. I will have already had meetings with key venue people and a schedule will already be in place. There are no surprises, no last minute questions that can't be answered. That schedule is in the hands of every stake holder and vendor involved in the event.

This is not unique to "production companies." It is the same set of procedures used when running a large multi-op DJ company or entertainment agency where clients are planning large or upscale events with many moving parts and diverse vendors or talent.

Many one-off DJs or "solo-ops" simply get trapped in the directives and procedures of others, following the dictates that feed these other business models, rather than their own. (Always the waiter, never the chef.)

At the end of the night, it's the difference between being told: "Great job DJ" versus "Wow! We didn't know anything like that could even be done here." Don't get me wrong, DJing is great- but a few thousand times later I wanted something more.
 
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This is not unique to "production companies." It is the same set of procedures used when running a large multi-op DJ company or entertainment agency where clients are planning large or upscale events with many moving parts and diverse vendors or talent.
No doubt. I think most people here aren't doing large upscale events. They are doing run-of-the-mill events. There are probably one or two orders of magnitude more run-of-the-mill events than upscale ones, especially when you leave the large metropolitan areas.
 
No doubt. I think most people here aren't doing large upscale events. They are doing run-of-the-mill events. There are probably one or two orders of magnitude more run-of-the-mill events than upscale ones, especially when you leave the large metropolitan areas.
So is this still a "DJ" forum or is it just a slow burning candle nearing the end of it's wick?