McCain picks a woman VP running mate? Sara Palin? Why?

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The GI bill must be what you are talking about. He's not against it. McCain's always been about putting a cap on Governement spending. That bill (as written), according to McCain, was just too expensive. It's like buying a car. Everyone wants the loaded version with all the bells and whistles. Those who are deep in debt can't afford the bells and whistles. Well, this country is in MAJOR debt. That's why McCain can't vote for the Bills that come with too many bells and whistles. I suspect he feels that way about most Goverment programs, not just the GI bill.
 
The GI bill must be what you are talking about. He's not against it. McCain's always been about putting a cap on Governement spending. That bill (as written), according to McCain, was just too expensive. It's like buying a car. Everyone wants the loaded version with all the bells and whistles. Those who are deep in debt can't afford the bells and whistles. Well, this country is in MAJOR debt. That's why McCain can't vote for the Bills that come with too many bells and whistles. I suspect he feels that way about most Goverment programs, not just the GI bill.

Then he can vote to stop the war and bring the lads home. Doesn't that have a big price tag? We are giving money to folks who have billion dollar surpluses with no intention of receiving a payback. The soldiers have given first without even expecting a payback, only fair treatment and help when needed is what they ask.
Why take food out of your children's plate to give to neighbors who do not like you and leave your own children hungry!
 
They are not running for the highest position in the free world. That's the difference. I want my next President loyal to this country and it's (Christian based) principles. But, that's just me.

Hmm...

I want MY next President to be loyal to this country, too. But I'm not going to allow a picture taken during a fraction of a second in September 2007 cloud my judgement of a man's entire political make-up. Can you say for certain at what point that frame was snapped? Directly after "Would you please rise for the playing of our National Anthem..."? As the anthem was ending? Governor Richardson isn't even facing the flag - where's the uproar over that dis-loyalty???

And, ideally, I'd love for our next president to not be elected to office because he wears the same religious jersey (conveniently around election time) as a bunch of people in the Bible Belt. Oh wait, that has already happened before...
 
Y'know, if it wasn't for that minor Constitutional issue, I think this would make a great presidential ticket :sqbiggrin:

Arnold and Sarah.

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Obama's mistake lies in picking a running mate who stated that he does not have enough experience to be president.

McCain is exploiting this, with his choice for running mate women are going to like that and the Hillary supporters really dislike Obama with all the crap that was thrown during the nomination race. I also believe that Hillary supporters have wised up and noticed the hypocrisy behind Hillary and slick Willie trying to make their supporters back Obama. It was a huge mistake by Hillary and the Democrats to stay in the race for the nomination of the party and it's actually hurting them more as each day goes by.

JMHO.
 
Oh please... Those arguments are sooooo lazy. It's like complaining about someone having a Catholic background. Nobody complained about Muhammed Ali or Kareem Abdul Jabbar...

As for "true American", notice that Richardson isn't even facing the flag - what an un-American thing to do!! :sqeek: Also, this was NOT a picture taken during the Pledge of Allegiance, but WAS taken at the playing of the National Anthem (who knows at what point the picture was taken - right before the music?). If Obama is "not a true American" because he doesn't have his hand over his heart during the National Anthem, then on any given night, there are THOUSANDS of sports fans who are definitely "not true American" because they don't place their hands over their hearts, either. But no complaints about them, huh??

Oh, and here's a pic of Obama acting like a "true American":


First of all we're not talking about other Americans....we're talking about the person running for the US Presidency..the leader of our country. After the pic of Obama was taken and he was given scuff for it, THEN he started placing his hand over his heart in the other pics. By the way...there was ANOTHER flag off to the side of the stage during that pic, that is why they are all facing the other direction. I dislike all politicians, but if I had to choose someone, it would be McCain.
 
First of all we're not talking about other Americans....we're talking about the person running for the US Presidency..the leader of our country. After the pic of Obama was taken and he was given scuff for it, THEN he started placing his hand over his heart in the other pics. .

First of all, the picture is from September 2007, which is way before Obama was named the Democratic nominee, right? I guess it's okay to apply special rules AFTER the fact? And again, how do you know at what point the picture was snapped???? Are you using the rumor mill for that information?

As for the point in time that Obama started placing his hand over his heart, how do you know??? Funny that there is only one pic that keeps being recycled to prove Obama's lack of patiotism. But with five seconds of typing, there are other pics of him with his hand over his heart. Hmmm....

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By the way...there was ANOTHER flag off to the side of the stage during that pic, that is why they are all facing the other direction.

I am aware of this, which is why I jokingly said that there should be some uproar over the fact that Governor Richardson was NOT facing the flag. The other three folks in the pic WERE facing the flag.

I dislike all politicians, but if I had to choose someone, it would be McCain.

And I really have no problem with that at all - it is your right as a US citizen. But I get tired of people buying into whatever they hear and taking it as the gospel truth, especially when a lot of things are proven to be urban legend. The crap circulated about Obama is just that - crap. Do some research folks.

I can't blow this pic up here at work, but here's a pic of Obama being sworn into the Senate. Is that a Bible?? Is it the Quran?? I can't tell, but as we should have already learned today, Senate members are not sworn into office using any books.

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First of all, the picture is from September 2007, which is way before Obama was named the Democratic nominee, right? I guess it's okay to apply special rules AFTER the fact? And again, how do you know at what point the picture was snapped???? Are you using the rumor mill for that information?

As for the point in time that Obama started placing his hand over his heart, how do you know??? Funny that there is only one pic that keeps being recycled to prove Obama's lack of patiotism. But with five seconds of typing, there are other pics of him with his hand over his heart. Hmmm....

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I am aware of this, which is why I jokingly said that there should be some uproar over the fact that Governor Richardson was NOT facing the flag. The other three folks in the pic WERE facing the flag.



And I really have no problem with that at all - it is your right as a US citizen. But I get tired of people buying into whatever they hear and taking it as the gospel truth, especially when a lot of things are proven to be urban legend. The crap circulated about Obama is just that - crap. Do some research folks.

I can't blow this pic up here at work, but here's a pic of Obama being sworn into the Senate. Is that a Bible?? Is it the Quran?? I can't tell, but as we should have already learned today, Senate members are not sworn into office using any books.

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Here ya go...I pulled this out of my pepper mill which is next to my flour and rumor mill.

JERUSALEM – The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.

The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi's wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.

Obama served on the Wood's Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.

Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama's senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s. He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

The $40,000 grant from Obama's Woods Fund to the AAAN constituted about a fifth of the Arab group's reported grants for 2001, according to tax filings obtained by WND. The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 also constituted about one-fifth of AAAN's reported grants for that year.

The AAAN, headquartered in the heart of Chicago's Palestinian immigrant community, describes itself as working to "empower Chicago-area Arab immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of community organizing, advocacy, education and social services, leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other communities."

It reportedly has worked on projects with the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, which supports open boarders and education for illegal aliens.

The AAAN in 2005 sent a letter to New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson in which it called a billboard opposing a North Carolina-New Mexico joint initiative to deny driver's licenses to illegal aliens a "bigoted attack on Arabs and Muslims."

Speakers at AAAN dinners and events routinely have taken an anti-Israel line.

The group co-sponsored a Palestinian art exhibit, titled, "The Subject of Palestine," that featured works related to what some Palestinians call the "Nakba" or "catastrophe" of Israel's founding in 1948.

According to the widely discredited Nakba narrative, Jews in 1948 forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands - some Palestinians claim over one million - Arabs from their homes and then took over the territory.


Historically, about 600,000 Arabs fled Israel after surrounding Arab countries warned they would destroy the Jewish state in 1948. Some Arabs also were driven out by Jewish forces while they were trying to push back invading Arab armies. At the same time, over 800,000 Jews were expelled or left Arab countries under threat after Israel was founded.

The theme of AAAN's Nakba art exhibit, held at DePaul University in 2005, was "the compelling and continuing tragedy of Palestinian life ... under [Israeli] occupation ... home demolition ... statelessness ... bereavement ... martyrdom, and ... the heroic struggle for life, for safety, and for freedom."

Another AAAN initiative, titled, "Al Nakba 1948 as experienced by Chicago Palestinians," seeks documents related to the "catastrophe" of Israel's founding.

A post on the AAAN site asked users: "Do you have photos, letters or other memories you could share about Al-Nakba-1948?"

That posting was recently removed. The AAAN website currently states the entire site is under construction.

Pro-PLO advocate held Obama fundraiser, describes Obama as 'sympathetic'

AAAN co-founder Rashid Khalidi was reportedly a director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982, while the PLO committed scores of anti-Western attacks and was labeled by the U.S. as a terror group. Khalidi's wife, AAAN President Mona Khalidi, was reportedly WAFA's English translator during that period.

Rashid Khalidi at times has denied working directly for the PLO but Palestinian diplomatic sources in Ramallah told WND he indeed worked on behalf of WAFA. Khalidi also advised the Palestinian delegation to the Madrid Conference in 1991.

During documented speeches and public events, Khalidi has called Israel an "apartheid system in creation" and a destructive "racist" state.

He has multiple times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling suicide bombings response to "Israeli aggression." He dedicated his 1986 book, "Under Siege," to "those who gave their lives ... in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon." Critics assailed the book as excusing Palestinian terrorism.

While the Woods Fund's contribution to Khalidi's AAAN might be perceived as a one-time run in with Obama, the presidential hopeful and Khalidi evidence a deeper relationship.

According to a professor at the University of Chicago who said he has known Obama for 12 years, the Democratic presidential hopeful first befriended Khalidi when the two worked together at the university. The professor spoke on condition of anonymity. Khalidi lectured at the University of Chicago until 2003 while Obama taught law there from 1993 until his election to the Senate in 2004.

Khalidi in 2000 held what was described as a successful fundraiser for Obama's failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, a fact not denied by Khalidi.

Speaking in a joint interview with WND and the John Batchelor Show of New York's WABC Radio and Los Angeles' KFI Radio, Khalidi was asked about his 2000 fundraiser for Obama.

"I was just doing my duties as a Chicago resident to help my local politician," Khalidi stated.

Khalidi said he supports Obama for president "because he is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause."

Khalidi also lauded Obama for "saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can't talk with the Iranians."

Asked about Obama's role funding the AAAN, Khalidi claimed he had "never heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few months ago."

He terminated the call when petitioned further about his links with Obama.

Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer WND's questions about the AAAN's involvement with Obama.

Obama's campaign headquarters did not reply to a list of WND questions sent by e-mail to the senator's press office.

Obama, American terrorist in same circles

Obama served on the board with Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and has written about his involvement with the group's bombings of the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.

"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough," Ayers told the New York Times in an interview released on Sept. 11, 2001

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon," Ayers wrote in his memoirs, titled "Fugitive Days." He continued with a disclaimer that he didn't personally set the bombs, but his group set the explosives and planned the attack.

A $200 campaign contribution is listed on April 2, 2001 by the "Friends of Barack Obama" campaign fund. The two taught appeared speaking together at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, "Should a child ever be called a 'super predator?'" and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002, entitled, "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?"

The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance.

Ayers is married to another notorious Weathermen terrorist, Bernadine Dohrn, who has also served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI's Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the "most dangerous woman in America." Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left 4 people dead.

Obama advisor wants talks with terrorists

The revelations about Obama's relationship with Khalidi follows a recent WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed "concern" about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.

Malley, a principal Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, petitioning for dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for numerous policies he says harm the Palestinian cause.


Malley also previously penned a well-circulated New York Review of Books piece largely blaming Israel for the collapse of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations at Camp David in 2000 when Arafat turned down a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and eastern sections of Jerusalem and instead returned to the Middle East to launch an intifada, or terrorist campaign, against the Jewish state.

Malley's contentions have been strongly refuted by key participants at Camp David, including President Bill Clinton, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and primary U.S. envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross, all of whom squarely blamed Arafat's refusal to make peace for the talks' failure

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Along with this...having Bill Clinton as a supporter...that's great... let's put a liar and a cheater in Obama's corner. The guy who not only lied to his wife about not having sex with Monica Lewinsky but also lied under oath to the American people and wasted American tax dollars by putting him in front a impeachment board. Yeah...I'm proud!
 
I have not read this entire thread and previously only commented on McCain's VP choice.

I've read some of this page...if we are going to dig...did you all know McCain started dating his current wife before divorcing his previous wife...before he even asked for a divorce.
 
First of all, the picture is from September 2007, which is way before Obama was named the Democratic nominee, right? I guess it's okay to apply special rules AFTER the fact? And again, how do you know at what point the picture was snapped???? Are you using the rumor mill for that information?

Tunes,

Apparently you have as hard of a time understanding what the canidates are saying as you do watching the news clip! The spin you are using is very old and doesn't work the photo shows him with his hands at his crotch not over his heart! the full video shows the same thing except that it shows him doing that for the entire National Anthem. Go back to http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp and watch the video!

As far as it being Sept 2007 he was already making the attempt to get his parties nomination for the presidency and he was currently a U.S. Senator, that is considered a high office in case you aren't aware of that fact!
 
I have not read this entire thread and previously only commented on McCain's VP choice.

I've read some of this page...if we are going to dig...did you all know McCain started dating his current wife before divorcing his previous wife...before he even asked for a divorce.

Did you know Kennedy had many mistresses while he was in the white house and before that? Did you know he was a meth addict?
 
Along with this...having Bill Clinton as a supporter...that's great... let's put a liar and a cheater in Obama's corner. The guy who not only lied to his wife about not having sex with Monica Lewinsky but also lied under oath to the American people and wasted American tax dollars by putting him in front a impeachment board. Yeah...I'm proud!

So what's with the annoying BOLD type face?? :sqconfused:

So you found something on Obama to write about. The scary part of being a politician is that all politicians end up with something like this in their closet. With all of the groups they join to network and gain support, it's a wonder that anyone even tries to make a difference. I am quite sure that there are skeletons to be unburied in McCain's political closet. There are the stories about him returning from Vietnam and falling out of love with his newly-disfigured wife, picking up the much-younger Cindy and getting involved with her before trying to divorce his wife. And you are talking about preferring McCain and then trashing Clinton...?

And yea, Clinton lied about oral sex - find me a politician who hasn't lied. At least Bill's lie (or lies...) didn't result in thousands of Americans being killed and maimed, huh? Bush and Cheney should be impeached for the lies they have told and the lives their lies cost this nation....
 
So what's with the annoying BOLD type face?? :sqconfused:

So you found something on Obama to write about. The scary part of being a politician is that all politicians end up with something like this in their closet. With all of the groups they join to network and gain support, it's a wonder that anyone even tries to make a difference. I am quite sure that there are skeletons to be unburied in McCain's political closet. There are the stories about him returning from Vietnam and falling out of love with his newly-disfigured wife, picking up the much-younger Cindy and getting involved with her before trying to divorce his wife. And you are talking about preferring McCain and then trashing Clinton...?

And yea, Clinton lied about oral sex - find me a politician who hasn't. At least Bill's lie (or lies...) didn't result in thousands of Americans being killed and maimed, huh? Bush and Cheney should be impeached for the lies they have told and the lives their lies cost this nation....

At least Bill's lie (or lies...) didn't result in thousands of Americans being killed and maimed, huh?

The line above I partly disagree with. Bill did have a part in killing Americans...remember 9/11. He had 3 opportunities to have Bin Laden taken out and he passed each time. That resulted in the deaths of the crew members on the USS Cole and the Americans on 9/11.

Now you know why I dislike politicians (regarding mudslinging). But Clinton lied about it publicly right to the face of the American people. I would've been more respectful of him if he told the truth. But on the other hand...the whole thing with Bush and Cheney (which they're not saints by any means)...they weren't the only ones involved with the war situation...misinformation from the CIA and other agencies were also a factor. People have died but not as many as under the hand of Saddam Hussein.

The reason for the bold type is to make it easier to read.
 
You've got to disturb the ground to plant the seed. Democracy in the Middle East will it have a chance to grow under Obama?

McCains my guy and the VP selection is just another reason I like this guy.
 
Did you know Kennedy had many mistresses while he was in the white house and before that? Did you know he was a meth addict?

Actually, nearly every American president has had something on the side while in office.
 
First of all, Jennifer Hudson murdered the national anthem. It was embarrassing I thought. They should have got Whitney Houston.
McCain took a huge gamble picking Palin. I think it will turn out to be an all or nothing scenario. Only time will tell if his choice will pay off. McCain did a good job keeping this a secret and when you consider this as a strategic move, it really was brilliant. McCains timing was perfect for stealing the thunder from obama and keeping his bounce in the polls to a minimum. Palin is articulate, intelligent, charming, a great speaker, and seems to be a very down to earth person. She is very hot also. I think this will put McCain in a very good position to win. Once the republican convention is over, the country will have heard McCain and will have been formally introduced to Sarah Palin. If Obama's bounce in the poll is erased, and McCain surges forward in the polls, he could very well be on his way to the white house.
 
Just dawned on me

When McCain wins the White House with his lovely VP sidekick and the Presidency takes it's toll on McCain having him be a one term President. We could be looking at Hillary against Palin the next go around.