I should not have a long time to play for the dance portion.

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Then you are only limiting yourself on how many gigs you'll get.
But you're already limiting yourself by "specializing" in one genre of music.

I think that's his mission statement
 
So what I learned from a very good friend who is an excellent DJ to stop worrying about how many people stay to enjoy the dance.

Well, your good friend is a fool and leading you in the wrong direction. It's your JOB to make them stay and dance. If you can't do that, you should not be hired for the job.
 
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3 to 11 is insanely long for an event. Way too long, even if they provide a meal. Most weddings are only 5 hrs and you get fed twice. Either they’re coming late, leaving early or both. That’s an issue for the committee to take up. But there no way I’m dealing with a event which runs that long without being substantially compensated. And if the Organization is anything like AA events, I used to help my neighbor out with they don’t have much of a budget. Their events had speakers, quick meal, a little dancing, everything in 4 hrs or less. I brought 2 speakers, willingness to help out but definitely not anything to make major dollars from, either from the organization or the Attendees.

Now when it comes to music I don’t see what the big issue is, you don’t show a person at the event requesting music your contract that says that you don’t play certain type of music. If you don’t play a certain type of music you either say you don’t have or actually don’t have it. If it’s a song where are you know you absolutely have to play but maybe there something objectionable, then you remix or re-edit the song to suit your taste. Now if the organization wants dirty music, the guests want dirty music and you don’t want to play it you don’t take the job. Its Unbelievable how something so simple can be made so complex.
 
One of the things you should know after doing this for 30+ years.. but don't. Many clients don't read your contract thoroughly.

A contract is a document to protect you and the client. And while it's the legal backbone of how you will explain your service offering in the eyes of the law... that's not really what we're talking about here.

We're talking about how you explain yourself to your prospective clients. And what gigs you can do as a result.

I asked you to tell me about the gigs that you would knock out of the park. The event you are perfect for...

You said: " A sweet 16 is not out of our reach..." and "Other events as well like a wedding depending on the styles of music..."

If you can't make a more compelling pitch than ^ on why you'll kill it, why should anyone hire you? This is why your business isn't successful. Your entire business is based around things you won't do.

You won't play explicit lyrics. You won't play a place that a fight has ever happened. You won't play new hip hop. You won't play if there are stairs... whatever.

As far as I can tell, the only events you're really suited for are gatherings of recovering addicts. And while I applaud you for your recovery. And I love that you've found a community in those people, because I'm sure it's needed. There is no business there, only a hobby.
Playing songs with explicit language is something I definitely want to stay away from. Honestly I'm not the hip hop DJ of today. My partner handles that and no I don't want to be bothered with a place where fights are breaking out regularly. I'm not desperate for money like that.

What I said what I look for is what type of event it is and where it will take place. Some places where a client wants to have an event are cheap hole in the wall places. Not interested in doing a private event in such places. It doesn't have to be a 5 star place but at least a decent venue. I have learned to avoid certain clients and people coming to the event. I'm 61 and smart enough to not put us in dangerous situations. When I was first coming back I would do an event for anybody, anywhere just to get noticed. I'm not there today..

Now there is a place that's a hole in the wall that I would play in if I ever got the chance because even though the inside is ugly to me, they have a nice crowd that comes there.
 
Playing songs with explicit language is something I definitely want to stay away from. Honestly I'm not the hip hop DJ of today. My partner handles that and no I don't want to be bothered with a place where fights are breaking out regularly. I'm not desperate for money like that.

What I said what I look for is what type of event it is and where it will take place. Some places where a client wants to have an event are cheap hole in the wall places. Not interested in doing a private event in such places. It doesn't have to be a 5 star place but at least a decent venue. I have learned to avoid certain clients and people coming to the event. I'm 61 and smart enough to not put us in dangerous situations. When I was first coming back I would do an event for anybody, anywhere just to get noticed. I'm not there today..

Now there is a place that's a hole in the wall that I would play in if I ever got the chance because even though the inside is ugly to me, they have a nice crowd that comes there.

Exactly. All things you don't want to do.

You need to find events you DO want to do. And I don't think there are many that make the list.
 
Here we go again. Mentions of fights and etc. You do know of people do play that type of music without issues. I don’t but others know do without any issues. It maybe the people & location more than the music. But again if you don’t have the music you can’t play it, If your partner has it and you don’t want to play it because where he takes you they want it. There is where your problem is at.
 
Playing songs with explicit language is something I definitely want to stay away from. Honestly I'm not the hip hop DJ of today. My partner handles that

Reason #573 why you should not be in a partnership

You do not want any involvement with this music...for fear of violence... yet your partner "handles" that... leading your shared business down that path....with you in tow. Until you guys are on the same page...sharing the cost of this venture... and having the same goals...and treating the business....the client....and the guests with the same overall attitude and consideration. You are always going to be a complete cluster****

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Well, your good friend is a fool and leading you in the wrong direction. It's your JOB to make them stay and dance. If you can't do that, you should not be hired for the job.
Reread what I said. The speaker portion is to be 5 1/2 hours long. That's a long time for the speaker portion. So by time it's time to start the dance, a lot of people are wore out from sitting there listening to speakers that long. So a lot of them are ready to go. It's out of my control who stays and who leaves. Just do my job, get paid and pack up when it's time to go.
 
Reread what I said. The speaker portion is to be 5 1/2 hours long. That's a long time for the speaker portion. So by time it's time to start the dance, a lot of people are wore out from sitting there listening to speakers that long. So a lot of them are ready to go. It's out of my control who stays and who leaves. Just do my job, get paid and pack up when it's time to go.

I have found quite the opposite...i did that talent show a few weeks back... the people had sat there 5 hours...had dinner watched the show... and the minute the show ended and they began to mill out towards the door...i kicked in...and the milling out was stifled... you just have to bring the energy immediately and let them know it's going to be a great time...

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In all my years of DJing, I've had one groom ask me at the wedding to not play radio edits. Based on the crowd....and his new wife, I simply said, "sorry, that's all I got.". He got over it

It's never been an issue.

Swear words don't bother me. But they can bother some guests, which is why I generally avoid them.

No need for clauses in my contract. If they brought it up, I'd share my opinion. If they were determined that explicit lyrics were Important to them, I'd consider whether I'm their right choice.
 
In all my years of DJing, I've had one groom ask me at the wedding to not play radio edits. Based on the crowd....and his new wife, I simply said, "sorry, that's all I got.". He got over it

It's never been an issue.

Swear words don't bother me. But they can bother some guests, which is why I generally avoid them.

No need for clauses in my contract. If they brought it up, I'd share my opinion. If they were determined that explicit lyrics were Important to them, I'd consider whether I'm their right choice.

Yeah...and that groom may have zero consideration for the guests that will be offended...and guess what....if and when they express their offense....lets say a week or two later... who will be blamed? The DJ...who's no longer around to explain... and guess who's never getting that person as a client or referral ....

The groom has zero to lose...and is usually just showing off for some college buddies... as you said... they will get over it far faster than any offended guest

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Just like any school dance...
the guests will simply sing the dirty lyrics over the clean version.
So, they get what they want...and you can go home with a clean conscience.

And remember, there are parties that don't demand the same type of respect as a wedding.
Where bad language is not as much of an issue.